Something you might have not known

[Cablefed]

I'm in the process of completely gutting my 2G out for next years solo 2 and Auto X season. I pulled the sound deading material out of my car this evening and all the material I pulled weighed out at 27 pounds. I know its not much but every bit helps. I have also pulled items such as the front and rear seat belts, rear seats and a ton of other stuff. I will take a pic the interior and post it once I get things completely gutted. Fun stuff. FYI incase you wanted to know.

 

[GonePostal]

You know freeing up rotational mass has even greater effects?

 

[Cablefed]

Trust me thats going to happen to! My car is going to be sickly reduced in weight. I even pulled the airbags, A/C just to reduce weight. Wheels are the final mass reduction.

 

[mavisky]

i'm still waitin to get my hands on a manual rack from a 1.8 so i can ditch the power steering.

then i gots to get scrapin myself.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

How 'bout this. I added probably 50 lbs in sound deadener in addition to the stock stuff. I dunno if you guys drive on the freeway, but a 70 mile drive at 70mph with a 3" exhaust is not money.

Tom

 

[4g63mightymax]

just adding my .02
From what I have read, 1 pound of unsprung weight is worth 10 pounds of sprung weight. If you are curious, unsprung weight is all the weight that doesn't sit on the springs (for example, brake parts, lower control arms, wheels, spindles, etc.) So lighter wheels and aluminum brake calipers would most likely make quite a difference. I havent gotten around to trying it, but thats what I have read. Then there is rotational weight that is also a great idea to decrease if you want everything to move faster from a stop. That would be driveshafts, wheels, brake rotors, flywheels, pistons, connecting rods, etc. The problem is: that when u decrease the weight of things, you sometimes lose strength.
.......so dont go cutting sections out of your rims to go faster, hehehehehe....
my .02
jeremy

 

[NosLaser]

...i'm still waitin to get my hands on a manual rack from a 1.8 so i can ditch the power steering....

For a daily driver, in my personal opinion, I don't think it's really worth the gains. You might pick up, what, maybe 5-10HP max max, and save about 15 pounds? And then you have to go through the hassle of driving with no power steering; holding a cup in one hand, and having someone pull out in front of you at low speeds, and you either A. hit him, or B. spill the drink all over yourself to avoid a collision. All for 10HP? You see what I mean? Get your tuning down pat, and turn the boost up one more pound and you just made 10hp. Just my opinion.

Regards,

 

[jdmawd]

Originally posted by NosLaser
...i'm still waitin to get my hands on a manual rack from a 1.8 so i can ditch the power steering....

For a daily driver, in my personal opinion, I don't think it's really worth the gains. You might pick up, what, maybe 5-10HP max max, and save about 15 pounds? And then you have to go through the hassle of driving with no power steering; holding a cup in one hand, and having someone pull out in front of you at low speeds, and you either A. hit him, or B. spill the drink all over yourself to avoid a collision. All for 10HP? You see what I mean? Get your tuning down pat, and turn the boost up one more pound and you just made 10hp. Just my opinion.

Regards,

ditto turning you're car toa POS to save 10 pounds is pointless W T F wants to ride around with no power steering anyway go buy a 81 civic if you want to save weight and look like an ass *DSM go fast with class*. if you cant afford to go fast, stay home

 

[mavisky]

i've driven car's with a 1.8 rack and its not much harder to turn at any speed than mine right now.

and about the "if you cant afford to go fast, stay home" comment. i'm sorry if my college tuition gets in the way of my modifying. some people have other priorities and utilize wahtever free mods they can. that's why i run no a/c, and a gutted interior from the front seats back with only carpeting and the plastic trim, no rear bumper and as soon as my homemade fmic kit gets finished (which will run me about $200 as opposed to your $1000 dollar fmic) i'll be sporting little to noe front bumper.

that's also why i have a turbo engine in a 1g nt (insurance rates), a phantom grip instead of a quaife, a 5 puck from capclutch instead of a $400 act, eibach sportlines instead of coilovers, a pacesetter exhaust instead of a $500 thermal, a used 16g for $300 instead of a $600 new one, and custom intercooler piping instead of some expensive kit.

hey if you got money to throw away go for it, me i'd rather maximize my hp : dollar ratio.

 

[jdmawd]

i've driven car's with a 1.8 rack and its not much harder to turn at any speed than mine right now.

lets see you do a 3 point turn going up hill

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i'm sorry if my college tuition gets in the way of my modifying. some people have other priorities and utilize wahtever free mods they can.

good point do you really think a manual steering rack will yield *any* gains nototal waste of time. if you are in college then all mods are a waste of time. you should be using that time to study not stripping dsm's

gutted interior from the front seats back with only carpeting and the plastic trim, no rear bumper and as soon as my homemade fmic kit gets finished (which will run me about $200 as opposed to your $1000 dollar fmic) i'll be sporting little to noe front bumper.

good choice no bumpers and no steering, sounds real safe.

hey if you got money to throw away go for it, me i'd rather maximize my hp : dollar ratio.

well my thinking is, if i cant do it correctly now. ill wait until i can

 

[rdrkt]

Originally posted by mavisky
as soon as my homemade fmic kit gets finished (which will run me about $200 as opposed to your $1000 dollar fmic) i'll be sporting little to noe front bumper.

Im sorry that is no where near realistic

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Even a Spearco 221 core costs more than that not even mentioning piping.

 

[jdmawd]

Originally posted by rdrkt

Im sorry that is no where near realistic

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Even a Spearco 221 core costs more than that not even mentioning piping.

i think he is using 3 1g side mounts

:xnuts: 1g side mount intercooler

 

[Cablefed]

Can't afford???? Dude I have almost $12,000 in mods in my car, not only that she is a full balls out auto X car, I'm not a street racer, I don't care about colored vacuum lines or trendy BOV sounds, I mod my car to go, period. This is an attempt to get a few extra pounds off the car to help me auto cross and make the car that much lighter. Last time I checked weight reduction is a good thing, just because someone wants to do away with power steering or get rid of some sound deading material does'nt mean they are cheap. Everyone has different situations we should'nt knock them for trying to do something to help them go faster. I'm gettting off my soap box now.

 

[Tevenor]

Exactly what class do you plan on racing in your 'balls out auto x car'? Last I checked removing the sound deadening wasn't legal in any class but prepared.

You do realize that all the lightening in the world won't count for squat unless you can drive.

 

[jdmawd]

Originally posted by Cablefed
Can't afford???? Dude I have almost $12,000 in mods in my car, not only that she is a full balls out auto X car, I'm not a street racer, I don't care about colored vacuum lines or trendy BOV sounds, I mod my car to go, period. This is an attempt to get a few extra pounds off the car to help me auto cross and make the car that much lighter. Last time I checked weight reduction is a good thing, just because someone wants to do away with power steering or get rid of some sound deading material does'nt mean they are cheap. Everyone has different situations we should'nt knock them for trying to do something to help them go faster. I'm gettting off my soap box now.

good point, im about to go out and remove all 4 rims and tires and replace them with 4 doughnuts. it will handle like crap and its very dangerous but i will save a ton of rotational weight im also going to remove the doors hood and fenders. im thinking i can save weight if i take the breaks off also. i can just put my foot out to stop.

now seriously:

when i do start to remove weight from the ca,r not that its a priority. it will be by removing the back seats, aluminum front and rear bumpers. carbon fiber hood. 2 sparco's up front, forged 16" rims and brembo 6 piston calipers with 13" rotors. can i afford all this now? *NO* so i will just wait.

 

[mavisky]

Originally posted by jdmawd


i think he is using 3 1g side mounts

:xnuts: 1g side mount intercooler

will it support a big 16g ?? yes

will it cost me next to nothing?? yes

is it the best all around i/c ever?? no

has it been used on other dsm's and turbo mustangs before?? yes

did you over pay for your fmic?? yes

do i need you to tell me how to spend my time?? no

and most importantly do i give two shits about your opinion?? no

say what you want, but i enjoy working on my car more tha buying other people's parts to make it fast. half the #@%#@%#@%#@% on my car is relatively untested, or home made. but it works all the same. i've got guys around me who make all their own parts and we save a #@%#@%#@%#@% load of money doing it. and i'm sorry, but if they offer the manual rack as an option on some vehicles you trying to tell me that those cars aren't safe?? go back to buyin overpriced parts man, let those who want to try something new try it. how do you think anything got built in the first place people tried new #@%#@%#@%#@%.

 

[jdmawd]

Originally posted by mavisky



will it support a big 16g ?? yes

will it cost me next to nothing?? yes

is it the best all around i/c ever?? no

has it been used on other dsm's and turbo mustangs before?? yes

did you over pay for your fmic?? yes

do i need you to tell me how to spend my time?? no

and most importantly do i give two shits about your opinion?? no

say what you want, but i enjoy working on my car more tha buying other people's parts to make it fast. half the #@%#@%#@%#@% on my car is relatively untested, or home made. but it works all the same. i've got guys around me who make all their own parts and we save a #@%#@%#@%#@% load of money doing it. and i'm sorry, but if they offer the manual rack as an option on some vehicles you trying to tell me that those cars aren't safe?? go back to buyin overpriced parts man, let those who want to try something new try it. how do you think anything got built in the first place people tried new #@%#@%#@%#@%.

:laugh: .....oh its a irc not a buschur but it makes no difference you are funny *enjoy*

 

[mavisky]

Originally posted by jdmawd

when i do start to remove weight from the ca,r ...... brembo 6 piston calipers with 13" rotors.

how in the hell is a huge brake package going to reduce weight?? and it will be even more detrimental since it's rotating mass.

 

[nine5raptor]

Hear Hear to all the garage engineers!!!

 

[mavisky]

Originally posted by jdmawd


:laugh: .....oh its a irc not a buschur but it makes no difference you are funny *enjoy*

oh congrats you caught me while i was editing aren't you an allstar.

 

[jdmawd]

Originally posted by mavisky


how in the hell is a huge brake package going to reduce weight?? and it will be even more detrimental since it's rotating mass.

they weigh less then the stock brakes

 

[mavisky]

you're telling me that a 13" disc is going to weigh less than stock, oh and don't forget that the further out from the center the mass the more it affects the rotational inertia. so even if it weighed the same it'd be detrimental. and why are you adding them?? do you often roadrace??

 

[jdmawd]

Originally posted by mavisky
you're telling me that a 13" disc is going to weigh less than stock, oh and don't forget that the further out from the center the mass the more it affects the rotational inertia. so even if it weighed the same it'd be detrimental. and why are you adding them?? do you often roadrace??

im going to go very very slow


13"......brembo rotors......and 6 piston calipers......weigh.....less ....then my stock dsm brakes

 

[ILOSE]

I am confused as to why some of ya'll are starting an argument over this? Those of you that think it is not safe or just plain don't like his way of weight reduction have made your opinions abundently clear. You CANNOT force your ways onto someone else. Drop it, there is no reason to go on and on about it.

"Go fast with class" To me is complete BS! In my case I want to go as fast as I can at the track. I do not street race, so that is irrelevant. Do you think people go man, you hauled ass running that 11 sec (or whatever) run but you have a stripped car. NO. Just like domestics guys don't care whether you have a t-25 or a 60trim, You still have a turbo!

 

[L2RTSiAWD]

Seriously though a 6-piston caliper??? WTF could you possibly need a 6-piston caliper vs a 4-piston.