stuffing a 50trim in a 16g?

[Mugsy]

i have tried to use the search but either not putting it in right or there are not many topics. Anyways, anyone hear of putting a 50trim in a 16g housing, i heard it can be done with some porting, or what other kind of upgrades using the same exhaust housing can be done and where and how much.

 

[PieTSI]

A 16g compressor wheel is a 50 trim wheel. Its a mitsubishi version of one not a garret version that most people talk about. So you already accomplished it buy buying a 16g.

 

[yo2001]

Your intake temp will for sky rocket, TD05 is a small housing.

 

[turbowop]

A 16g compressor wheel is a 50 trim wheel. Its a mitsubishi version of one not a garret version that most people talk about. So you already accomplished it buy buying a 16g.

WTF are you talking about?! The 16g comp wheel isn't even close to the size of a 50trim wheel. The biggest wheel ever put into a 16g comp housing is a 20g. Forced Performance does this with their "sleeper 16g" turbo.

 

[boostedinaz]

A 16g compressor wheel is a 50 trim wheel. Its a mitsubishi version of one not a garret version that most people talk about. So you already accomplished it buy buying a 16g.

If you are not sure what you are talkign about then please dont reply.

A 16G IS NOT a 50 trim.

I highly doubt a 50 tirm wheel would even fit in that housing. If it did it would be choked so bad that the power you were hoping to gain by going to a 50 trim would be negated.

Like turbowop said FP makes a 16G with a 20G wheel in it. That is about as big as you can get while going for the sleeper look.

 

[jmakado]

to figure trim take the square of the exducer and divide by the square of the inducer......so ya a 16g is a "50 trim"(b 16g is closer). however, it IS NOT the garrett t04e 50 trim that dsm'ers have come to know as a "50 trim". he was just making a play on words and how dsm'ers use em (i think/hope).....you could have an extremely tiny "50 trim" that flows 2lb/min or a gigantor 20 trim (not likely) that flows 100lb/min....it has NOTHING to do with how big a comp. wheel is....it is only an identifying term for comp. wheels in the same family.
to the poster: i wouldn't bother. why not just go with a 20g housing and wheel if you are on a budget?

 

[PieTSI]

to figure trim take the square of the exducer and divide by the square of the inducer......so ya a 16g is a "50 trim"(b 16g is closer). however, it IS NOT the garrett t04e 50 trim that dsm'ers have come to know as a "50 trim". he was just making a play on words and how dsm'ers use em (i think/hope).....you could have an extremely tiny "50 trim" that flows 2lb/min or a gigantor 20 trim (not likely) that flows 100lb/min....it has NOTHING to do with how big a comp. wheel is....it is only an identifying term for comp. wheels in the same family.
to the poster: i wouldn't bother. why not just go with a 20g housing and wheel if you are on a budget?

At least someone here knows something.

 

[PieTSI]

If you are not sure what you are talkign about then please dont reply.

A 16G IS NOT a 50 trim.

I highly doubt a 50 tirm wheel would even fit in that housing. If it did it would be choked so bad that the power you were hoping to gain by going to a 50 trim would be negated.

Like turbowop said FP makes a 16G with a 20G wheel in it. That is about as big as you can get while going for the sleeper look.

I am sure what I'm talking about. A 16g is a 50 trim. If he wanted a garrett 50 trim TO4E compressor wheel. He should have specified what he wanted. So if thats what he really wants to do, he would somehow need a custom compressor housing machined that would cost losts of money. If you want a sleeper turbo then get a SLEEPER FP 16g. Properly putting a T04E garret wheel in a TD05 housing would take a lot of custom work and even after all that work was accomplished it probably would be less effeicient than other sleeper turbos out there.

 

[boostedinaz]

I am sure what I'm talking about. A 16g is a 50 trim. If he wanted a garrett 50 trim TO4E compressor wheel. He should have specified what he wanted. So if thats what he really wants to do, he would somehow need a custom compressor housing machined that would cost losts of money. If you want a sleeper turbo then get a SLEEPER FP 16g. Properly putting a T04E garret wheel in a TD05 housing would take a lot of custom work and even after all that work was accomplished it probably would be less effeicient than other sleeper turbos out there.

Sigh,

No, you should have used common sense. Everyone, except you apperantly, knows that when DSMers talk about a 50 trim they mean the Garrett wheel. Like it has been stated above just becasue it measure like a 50 trim does not mean that it is the 50 trim that 99% of everyone, even vendors, talk about.

Yes, you showed you have a bit of obscure knowledge, however, that didnt help the conversation at all and may have confused someone.

 

[PieTSI]

I answered the question didn't I?

 

[boostedinaz]

I answered the question didn't I?

Not really. Like I said, you showed a bit of trivia not the answer to his question. I will say this over and over again, common sense is king. If you used common sense you would have know that he, like 99 % of the community, was talking about a Garret wheel. If he knew that the 16G was a "50trim" like you say it is then he would have even asked the question.

 

[coltboostin]

A 16g compressor wheel is a 50 trim wheel. Its a mitsubishi version of one not a garret version that most people talk about. So you already accomplished it buy buying a 16g.

Pass my some of what your smokin, must be gome goooood shiot!

 

[jmakado]

Pass my some of what your smokin, must be gome goooood shiot!

did you not read the above posts? read post 6..it is a 50 trim. just not the t04e 50 trim.
obscure knowledge? i hope that wasn't directed at me, i know i'm no "wiseman" on tooners but i would think that figuring trims would be common knowledge for some hard core dsm'ers like we are (sarcasm here).
but really, if you want a sleeper, have your comp housing bored out to fit the 20g wheel. not interested in a sleeper? find a used 20g comp. housing and buy a new 20g wheel (not expensive) and bring it to your local turbo guy to have it bolted together and then balanced. that is really as big as makes sense with the tdo5 turbine wheel. i know people who have done this and spool-up is only about 200 rpm slower than with the 16g.....if you really want to take advantage of the bigger comp wheel you would have to clip the turbine wheel and accept some slower spool-up...it's all a trade off.

 

[boostedinaz]

did you not read the above posts? read post 6..it is a 50 trim. just not the t04e 50 trim.
obscure knowledge? i hope that wasn't directed at me, i know i'm no "wiseman" on tooners but i would think that figuring trims would be common knowledge for some hard core dsm'ers like we are (sarcasm here).
but really, if you want a sleeper, have your comp housing bored out to fit the 20g wheel. not interested in a sleeper? find a used 20g comp. housing and buy a new 20g wheel (not expensive) and bring it to your local turbo guy to have it bolted together and then balanced. that is really as big as makes sense with the tdo5 turbine wheel. i know people who have done this and spool-up is only about 200 rpm slower than with the 16g.....if you really want to take advantage of the bigger comp wheel you would have to clip the turbine wheel and accept some slower spool-up...it's all a trade off.

I quoted who I was talking to in every reply.

Did you not read what I was saying. Ill say it again in big letter so that eveyone can UNDERSTAND.

A 16G is technically a 50trim, however, NO ONE in the DSM comminuty calls it that. It is called a, ready here we go, a 16G. The 50 trim that everyone, including the author, talk about is a Garret wheel.

Lets all read that a few times and let it sink in.

I know that may be hard to understand and arguing a weird point because it is technically true is fun, but in confuses people. This isnt the advanced tech area so the debate over 50trim this or that is not needed here.


Please people for fu(k sake use COMMON SENSE.

 

[jmakado]

i wish i could type all big like that^^^^it's cool
i gave real advice on both of my posts as well......and besides, no reason to get all butt hurt that you didn't know how to computate trim....it's not that big of a deal for fu(ks sake!

 

[boostedinaz]

i wish i could type all big like that^^^^it's cool
i gave real advice on both of my posts as well......and besides, no reason to get all butt hurt that you didn't know how to computate trim....it's not that big of a deal for fu(ks sake!

Well since you mastered the extremely difficult equation to give you the trim, I would imagine that pushing a button would be cake, guess not.

I know how to calculate trim and I also know that NO ONE calls a 16G a 50 trim.

If you went to the track would you tell everyone you had a 50 trim on your car?? Probably not. If you went out and ran a mid 12 on racegas and told everyone that you ran that on a 50 trim you would be laughed at.

I have a buddy with a Blazer. His drivetrain layout is the same as a WRX so it must be AWD right?? No, just because items are similar doesnt mean they are the same.

Using the same terms as everyone else makes life alot easier, espcailly for the new people. I guess you have mastered it all so giving them shit is ammusing to you. If you like to be a pain in the ass then go for it, but I like to give out USABLE knowledge that makes sense.

 

[turbowop]

i wish i could type all big like that^^^^it's cool

I wish I was as smart as you. Check out the big brain on jmakado. There is none smarter. He is the essence of all that is to be known about compressor wheels. Even if it has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

 

[jmakado]

aaaahhh cry me a river girls i was just joking with everyone.......and i posted good advice (IMO) in every post. it's not like i was just posting crap and giving everyone the big FO hey, i figured out how to make it big!


and turbowop, i never said i knew more than everyone...........just more than you! :laugh:

 

[Airpoppoff]

and turbowop, i never said i knew more than everyone...........just more than you! :laugh:

And you run 13's :thumbdown

 

[TalonTSiGuy]

well that was an interesting read. Anyone here put a 20g cpmperssor housing and wheel and how much did it cost them.

 

[Herbal Essences]

And you run 13's :thumbdown

And what does that have to do with his tuning knowledge? Ya know, there are people on this board that run decent times and haven't touched their car. Does that make them a better tuner because they have more money?

 

[jmakado]

And you run 13's :thumbdown

that is correct (13.2 is my best)......... and my track is at 6000ft above sea level! the fastest 50 trim runs 12.2 up here. corrected (which we don't do because it's kinda weak) i run in the 12.2-12.3 range.....not setting any records, but that's not bad for a 3400lb daily driver with a small 16g on it. i also tuned my own car to 320AWHP and 304lb/ft which again, not a record, but not bad for a small 16g and a stock 7 bolt from TB to exh. mani. i never said i was a tuning god. it was all just a joke and in good fun.

i did however post something that was useful in almost every post i made which is more than can be said for some of you trolls.....a little shit talking is fun (i know!) but at least save it for when you actually know something and can help the poster in the process. look through the thread and PAST the shit talking and read actual advice!!!! did any of you give any? nope! i can take it just as well as give it but save it for when you can still do something useful and not just jump in and go "you suck"!

talontsiguy: a lot of people have gone this route as it's pretty cheap and easy. it just takes some looking around (and luck) to find a used comp. housing. then buy the wheel new ($150 about) and have it assembled and balanced ($175 around here) and you have a tdo5 20g! so as you can see it can be pretty cheap if you get a good deal on the comp. housing. it may not be the tdo6 20g, but it will give you more of what you want with not that much money into it. a buddy of mine did it and noticed about 2-300 rpm's more lag over a big 16g and gained many lb/min on dsmlink. he got a really good deal on the parts and the total for him was about $300! i forget the before numbers, but he logged 35lb/min and trapped 110 (6000ft ASL remember) and logged 41lb/min at sea level.

herbal essences: good point! phil beers only runs a low 12 last time i checked, does that mean that airpopoff knows more about tuning than him???.........phil is also on a 14b so that may change your opinion of who knows more

 

[DSMSpyder99]

Turbochargers.com has a turbo called a Godzilla TD05H 7CM²:

This upgrade for the 89-98 DSM cars increases compressor flow by 35% 600 at 15 PSI boost Supports 410 HP. The TD05H 7cm² comes with 15° clip. It has a larger 7CM2 turbine housings for reduced back pressure at high RPM. It is a direct replacement for the first generation TD04H and TD05H turbos. Second generation cars will require the 2G installation kit.

Compressor Wheel: Frank 2 (T04E 46-Trim)
Turbine Wheel: TD05H/TD06
CFM: 600
Max HP Rating: 410 HP

I think this is the biggest you can fit a TDo5H housing the standard B16G has 1.892 ID, and a 2.680 ED. THe 46-trim is a 2.003 ID and 2.950 ED. As you can see that is a HUGH difference so i highly doubt a 50-Trim would fit in a TD05h housing.

 

[Black95TSIawd]

MAtt popoff couldnt break out of the 13's when he ran a big28 so dont worry about him J. Its amazing how this kid did post true information and a ####in wiseman and some other dumb idiots on this site get all ####in defensive. Calm the #### down already. You guys coulda said yea its true, but its not the wheel that is mentioned in the thread. Instead, as soon as he proved that it is a 50trim wheel in a 16g, you get all defensive and shit. WTF.

 

[boostedinaz]

MAtt popoff couldnt break out of the 13's when he ran a big28 so dont worry about him J. Its amazing how this kid did post true information and a ####in wiseman and some other dumb idiots on this site get all ####in defensive. Calm the #### down already. You guys coulda said yea its true, but its not the wheel that is mentioned in the thread. Instead, as soon as he proved that it is a 50trim wheel in a 16g, you get all defensive and shit. WTF.

I did say that is was true, but that it was not the 50 trim that the majority know. Thats all I wanted to point out and that is what I tried to point out. Yes in my first post I shoould have said that in the first place, but I didnt. I then clarafied, just like he did, to get his actuall point across. I was calm the entire time, I was just pointing out the obvious and it seems that no one can grasp that. If all you guys want to start calling you 16G's 50 trim then go ahead and do so. This guy will be your champion and you will have all changed the face of DSS modding for ever. Instead of a 16G it will be known as a 50 trim and you proved me wrong and owned me all at once.

This isnt the advance tech area and most new people dont know a turbo from a water pump. I dont see the need to post somethign like that when it wasnt the answer the guy was looking for. All that will do in confuse people more than they are and not help them learn. It got out of hand and that was my fault, however all my points are still valid.