talked to Daniel at extremeturbo.com

[nazthug]

Well i talked to him about that new "16g garrett" style turbo they have

Its a t3/04B which i like because the compressor housing is about " smaller then the E compressor so the water lines ,and fans can be kept without any modifications

They use that cool bullseye turbine housing, which is 7cm but flows like an 8cm

Uses a new garrett turbine wheel, and a V-trim compressor wheel.

Its a great deal at $599 with external wastegate and 39mm flapper and he says that compressor wheel makes great power at lower boosts which is good for me because im in cali and we have shitty gas, so the lower the boost it takes to make good power, the better


Well he said that garret pretty much makes the whole turbo for them,and they just throw the turbine on it.

It uses a garret compressor wheel, compressor housing, centersection and turbine wheel

So its NOT like a mutt with all that hybrid stuff, its mostly garret and according to him, garrett assembles most of it, so reliability should be better then the mutts

Seems like a great 400hp turbo

Ahead of the 16g group but not as hard core as a 50trim, perfect for me i think

Plus the compressor shoots down so its easier to route my IC pipes to my FMIC

What do you guys think? These sound more promising than those mutt turbos

 

[KeltonDSMer]

You ment to say a 39mm internal gate right?

I can't find info ont the V-trim sompressor wheel; only the V1/V2 wheel in a TO4B found at http://not2fast.wryday.com/turbo/maps/

This site says it flows over 50lb/min and it's efficiency isn't very good, so you must be talking about a different wheel.


Looks nice, though!

 

[GRNDSM]

>Its a great deal at $599 with external wastegate and 39mm flapper

So which is it? External WG or Flapper?

>Ahead of the 16g group

According to who? I would love to see head to head comparison against EVO 16G. This should be an easy test!

I know nothing about this particular turbo, I have just seen way too many “slightly better than 16G" turbos, which never lived up to their claims. 16g is a great turbo, it boggles my mind why people feel like they should come up with something of their own, that would be only marginally better. But what is even more puzzling, is that people actually buy it…

Leon
RR

 

[1fast97gsx]

If you want something bigger just get a 50 trim. Otherwise the E316G is fine...

 

[GPTourer]

According to who? I would love to see head to head comparison against EVO 16G. This should be an easy test!

I agree. For it to have won me over, it would have to BEAT the EVO3, not just tie it. And from the looks of it, this will only compete with the regular 16G. The cost of a true bolt on, versus an Evo3 with an install kit is what it comes down too. My reasoning for it having to be better, is that I rather have a facotry built MHI turbo, versus some Garrett hybrid thats been monkeyed around with in somebody's "shop." But is is funny how even after all these years, people who say Mitsu turbos are old tired and prehistoric technology still can't beat the price vs performance of the tried and true 16G. And now with the EVO3, it is even harder to beat. I'd say leave it alone, because even the 20G vs. 50trim argument rages on, the Garret market should focus on high end applications to prove their "superiority."

 

[nazthug]

SORRY internal wastegate, adjustable, and 39mm flapper

sounds like a good deal, its actually kinda cheap but sounds good, i think im gonna try it, gulp,

Surprisingly, Daniel was the BEST on the phone vs other companies like FP, buschur, slowboy

I talked to all those, and they didnt seem very enthusiastic to help me, i asked them questions, they were like "sure" "uhuh" "yuip"

Lke they didnt know much

Daniel took the time to explain the trims, the internals and recommendations for me, we talked for about 15 minutes

I just may try this out and see how it does.

I dont want a 50trim, those compresor housings are ###, they are so huge they almost look funny, no way does a poor little turbo wheel thats 2.3" or so need a freaking 8-9" housing, they are enormous, you need to swap fans, dent lines, i just dont wanna go there

This t04b compressor housing isnt AS efficient, but it fits WAY better, looks normal in there and it less of a hassle, plus cheaper.

 

[nazthug]

>Its a great deal at $599 with external wastegate and 39mm flapper

So which is it? External WG or Flapper?

>Ahead of the 16g group

According to who? I would love to see head to head comparison against EVO 16G. This should be an easy test!

I know nothing about this particular turbo, I have just seen way too many “slightly better than 16G" turbos, which never lived up to their claims. 16g is a great turbo, it boggles my mind why people feel like they should come up with something of their own, that would be only marginally better. But what is even more puzzling, is that people actually buy it…

Leon
RR

well, if you try to keep it straight, its not too confusing.

Forget the fact that its called something else, or its not made by GOD

Its basically a t3/04b turbo, that honda/acura guys have used for the past 10 years.

Its a high flow garret turbine wheel that looks alot better then the 16g wheel, they have comparison pictures.

Its a V trim compressor wheel which is about a 45-46lb wheel and the housing from bullseye flows ALOT better then the old 16g turbine housings.

Its a basic setup that is very similar to those which have been used for many years on cars making 400whp+

I think this turbo is realistically capable of about 350whp on average.

350whp on an evo is PUSHING it, i know i know its "rated" at 370hp or something, but realistically speaking, the people who are breaking 300whp are barely doing it, and most are in the 200's

I also didnt want an evo16g because i dont want a turbo that spools up too fast, im a FWD

I hear that the evo spools up even faster then a 16g because of the lighter wheel . Thats too fast.

ALSO, for my side-side FMIC, i need to route pipes to the drivers side, doing so with a mitsu turbo requires alot more pipe tricks to get up over, and under to make it work

This t3/04b dumps straight down, just make a 90* turn and go straight out to the drivers side.

So these are some of the reasons im leaning towards this turbo.

Although i think the evo16g is a GREAT turbo, its very capable, very proven and reliable.

But what can i say, im one of those people who has to try something different, ...

 

[VRMAN]

Try it out and tell us how you like it.

I agree the 16G is tried and true but why does that mean no one should try to make a better setup even if it is 'slightly' better. Better is better period. Especially if the price is comparable.


I drive with an 18G so I know all about controversy. But mine is in a TD06 housing for 9% better flow and better reliability. A "19G" so to speak

 

[TSIfreek]

I would personally go with a PTE 50 trim they are around 850.00 but give more power than the b16g right out of the box and will flow more efficintly above 20 psi. Its a great street turbo to boot thats what got my attention. The B16g is old tecnology. I agree its fine for anything under 20psi and the 50 trim will support more power (400). I was going to go with a ported B16g but with all the good talk about the 50 trim I have decided to go with the 50 because I think the 16G wont keep up with the power I am looking for. Cool thing to is that it will bolt up to you 2G exhaust manifold. They come internally and extenally gated.
I know there are alot of turbos to choose from I found reading the replys from others is were I found the 50 trim to sute me perfect. Just to give you an Idea what a 50 trim can do kevin at straight line specialties goes 11.40s all day on his and thats with stock cams and intake!!

 

[turbowop]

no way does a poor little turbo wheel thats 2.3" or so need a freaking 8-9" housing, they are enormous

Well then what cover, in your expert opinion , should we be putting over our poor little 50trim compressor wheels?

Have you ever pulled the comp housing off a 50trim and seen the size of the whole wheel? Not just the inducer blades?

Although i think the evo16g is a GREAT turbo, its very capable, very proven and reliable.

But what can i say, im one of those people who has to try something different, ...

There's a full weight 2gAWD right now running 117mph traps with one. Proven and then some. Why take the chance when you can get something that'll obviously suit your needs. All you need is a j-pipe to get the piping over to your FMIC. And since you're FWD regardless of when the turbo hits full boost, when it does you'll have tires 'a' spinnin.

 

[nazthug]

why yes, yes i have,

I had a 50trim t3/04e on my focus when i had my turbo on there, along with the pectel t2 standalone

YES, i have taken the compressor cover off(in order to fit in in the space it had to go into) and i have seen the wheel.

And i just think the cover is HUGE and the things you have to do to a dsm to make it fit is kinda dumb.

Its not just $850

You have to get a slimline fan(which are all wack unless you get the fitted dsm special slim line kit which is $350) otherwise a fan by itself without a shroud is a waste of time, sure it may flow more when comparing it in free air, but when it has nothing to draw from, it is useless.

And i dont want to be denting lines and trimming fans to be able to fit a HUGE compressor into my engine bay, plus, its very noticable so everyone expects you to run 9's with a turbo that huge,

btw, a 50trim t04e compressor wheel is 2.12 inducer and 3" exducer i believe from what i remember and thats fairly big, but i just think that the t04e compressor housing is GIGANTIC looking in our engine bay.

 

[nazthug]

the v-trim used in the extremeturbo setup that i want is a 2.18" inducer, 2.75" exducer, the inducer is actualy slightly larger, but hte compressor housing is about 1.5" smaller diameter so it looks alot more at home inside our engine bay

Everytime i look at the comparison of a 50trim to a 16g i am amazed, that thing is HUGE, nice, but HUGE

Plus im a gst and stock 7 bolt so anything over 300whp is pushing it, realistically

I know there are guys running 450whp, etc.....but realistically, and streetably and reliably i think 300whp is a safe number to run on all day without much worries

My buddy went 12.6@112 in his gst with 305whp on slicks in a GST, which aint half bad

 

[nanokpsi]

why yes, yes i have,

I had a 50trim t3/04e on my focus when i had my turbo on there, along with the pectel t2 standalone

YES, i have taken the compressor cover off(in order to fit in in the space it had to go into) and i have seen the wheel.

And i just think the cover is HUGE and the things you have to do to a dsm to make it fit is kinda dumb.

Its not just $850

You have to get a slimline fan(which are all wack unless you get the fitted dsm special slim line kit which is $350) otherwise a fan by itself without a shroud is a waste of time, sure it may flow more when comparing it in free air, but when it has nothing to draw from, it is useless.

And i dont want to be denting lines and trimming fans to be able to fit a HUGE compressor into my engine bay, plus, its very noticable so everyone expects you to run 9's with a turbo that huge,

btw, a 50trim t04e compressor wheel is 2.12 inducer and 3" exducer i believe from what i remember and thats fairly big, but i just think that the t04e compressor housing is GIGANTIC looking in our engine bay.

Would you like me to send you a pic of my scm 50 and my stock main fan?? I had the ac fan also bit I had to ditch it for the dejon fmic. No need for 350 fans (which you can get very good high flow fans for less if you want them. No one should expect you to run 9s if they know their ass from their elbow. Show me a 9 sec dsm that runs anything with the "e"cover . Not saying it can't be done but def not the norm. A lot of that efficiency comes with the use of the big meaty compressor cover. Use the smaller one and you throw some of that out the window, as well as some potential power.

I like the idea of popping the hood and having the big huffer in there. Lets on lookers know there is some balls under the hood.

 

[nazthug]

please do

I am making my own IC pipes so i can route them anywhere needed

I would like to keep both fans, yes

Did you have to trim the fan blades?

I am ok with triming the shroud SLIGHTLY but dont wanna be choping the fan

I also wanna see how much of the water line has to be dented

 

[turbowop]

Denting the water pipe ain't a big deal. There's two ways of going about it. The "take your time and make it look nice" way and the "beat the crap out of it to get the turbo installed in a hurry" type of way. I dented the shit out of mine but made it look nice. I had to dent it so far that the bung for the turbo water feed was interfering so I used a nonturbo water pipe and had an -6AN bung welded onto it and made my own water feed. I used a large socket placed against the pipe and then hit the socket with a mallet to make a nice uniform dent to clear the comp housing. This is all because I was trying to install my FP green with the comp housing clocked upwards to follow stock-like gvr4 ic pipe routing. Look in my gallery to see how mine fits. The green is a 50trim. I've also attached a pic of my water pipe on the car.

This has gotten off the topic anyway. It sounds like you had your mind made up before you came on the forum to ask opinions about the turbo that you keep having to justify reasons to go with. Have fun with your "different" turbo. Us 50trim guys will keep putting up with the people that expect us to run nines because of our *huge* compressor housings.

 

[EvoGun]

Nice dent! Strange, ppl still go out of there way to run water to the turbo? IMO I stopped doing that and just turbo time it well. But if you use your car and forget the water can help a bit.

Thanks

 

[nanokpsi]

Holy huge dent in the water pipe! Mine is not that big!!!! Not even close. I will try to borrow a digi cam and put the pix up or mail them. Maybe in my gallery I had to trim the main fan shroud a little around the wg actalor and a tiny bit at the bottom. I also trim like 1.8th in off of the tip of the main fan blade as it would hit my compressor elbow coupler when the motor rocked. I think the water pipe denting/ fan trimming differs with how you clock the compressor. You can make pipes in order to keep both fans. It's just that the dejon kit can't keep the ac fan. I haven't had ac i a few years anyways . I will do my best to get you some pics but you can pm me if I forget.

 

[nazthug]

no ac is no options here, , im in fresno, and now its 99* and its getting hotter, i would die, im a poor skinny white guy, i wont make it

I love 50trims, i liked it on my focus, but i dont want to go that extreme here


I just wanted to get some opinion and share my experience with extreme

I know there are people that have this turbo, most are unfortunately not on here

BTW, its not "different" its what the t04e replaced, t3/04b's were the most common thing for MANY years.

I just like the smaller compressor housing.

 

[turbowop]

BTW, its not "different" its what the t04e replaced, t3/04b's were the most common thing for MANY years.

A couple posts up you said you wanted to be different which is where my "different" comment stems from.

BTW, I still have AC.

 

[bigjangin]

WOW thats a big dent. I didnt have to go nearly as far on mine.

 

[kpt4321]

Surprisingly, Daniel was the BEST on the phone vs other companies like FP, buschur, slowboy

I talked to all those, and they didnt seem very enthusiastic to help me, i asked them questions, they were like "sure" "uhuh" "yuip"

Lke they didnt know much

Right, I am sure the guys at FP and BR don't know anything about turbos. Especialy FP. I bet they didn't even poineer the DSM turbo industry.

I dont want a 50trim, those compresor housings are ###, they are so huge they almost look funny, no way does a poor little turbo wheel thats 2.3" or so need a freaking 8-9" housing, they are enormous, you need to swap fans, dent lines, i just dont wanna go there

Yes, buying a turbo so that the compressor housing doesn't look as funny is definately the best idea. I heard you could run 10's if your car looked good.

Oh wait, some ricer told me that.

Who are you to say what a turbo needs and does not need? I think that the engineers at Garrett probably knew what they were doing.

 

[kpt4321]

Its a high flow garret turbine wheel that looks alot better then the 16g wheel, they have comparison pictures.

You can tell how good a compressor wheel is by how it looks? Impressive.

and the housing from bullseye flows ALOT better then the old 16g turbine housings.

Prove it.

I'm not necessarily saying you are wrong. I am saying you can't make claims like this without proving it.

350whp on an evo is PUSHING it, i know i know its "rated" at 370hp or something, but realistically speaking, the people who are breaking 300whp are barely doing it, and most are in the 200's

Again, where is this information coming from?

A small 16g can make 350 whp. An E316g is capable of a good amount more power than that, I wouldn't be surprised if it could make 400 whp.

I also didnt want an evo16g because i dont want a turbo that spools up too fast, im a FWD

Anyone who wants a slower spooling turbo because they have FWD is an idiot. Learn to drive, it's cheaper.

I hear that the evo spools up even faster then a 16g because of the lighter wheel . Thats too fast.

Yes it does.

First of al, just because something is too fast for you, doesn't mean it is too fast for a normal person.

You're right, it must be too fast. I don't want power until like 6000 rpm. Maybe 7000. I want to have to downshift to second on the highway to get full boost. :thumbdown

 

[nanokpsi]

no ac is no options here, , im in fresno, and now its 99* and its getting hotter, i would die, im a poor skinny white guy, i wont make it

I love 50trims, i liked it on my focus, but i dont want to go that extreme here


I just wanted to get some opinion and share my experience with extreme

I know there are people that have this turbo, most are unfortunately not on here

BTW, its not "different" its what the t04e replaced, t3/04b's were the most common thing for MANY years.

I just like the smaller compressor housing.

I only don't have ac becasue the compressor broke A few years ago. I would rather spend 1000 making it faster. Hence why I have a pte 50 trim, big fimc, hks cams, and dsmlink. All bought after the ac broke. As for being hot, I am in central Texas. It was 104 the other day. You try that in a black car, with grey leather seats, no ac, and a drivers side power window that won't go down. At least my car is fast. Plus, I never have to drive becasue my girlfriend won't ride in it .

 

[nazthug]

Right, I am sure the guys at FP and BR don't know anything about turbos. Especialy FP. I bet they didn't even poineer the DSM turbo industry.




Yes, buying a turbo so that the compressor housing doesn't look as funny is definately the best idea. I heard you could run 10's if your car looked good.

Oh wait, some ricer told me that.

Who are you to say what a turbo needs and does not need? I think that the engineers at Garrett probably knew what they were doing.

i am not really saying what it needs or doesnt, im just saying that its huge and i dont want something that big in my engine bay

Alot of people on here have huge turbos but most never use the potential, so why not just get something that gives you what you need.

And i know FP and those guys know their shit, obviously, but i just didnt get much from them on the phone and that made me feel uncomfortable

For example: Buschur told me "sure, all our turbos are clipped already, so our evo16g must be clipped too at the standard 535 price"

If i ordered it, i can 99.9% guarantee you its not gonna be clipped, that makes me uncomfortable.

FP told me something about not being able to put 34mm flappers on evo16gs and they never heard of such thing as boost creep with the evo...umm....WTF? Isnt that the turbo that creeps the most?

Stuff like that made me uncomfortable, plus the fact that they didnt sound like they wanted to really give me any advice or support.

Thats why i said that...

 

[greyforestgst]

Nice dent! Strange, ppl still go out of there way to run water to the turbo?

that isnt the coolant line for the turbo, thats the coolant line for the engine...