Star Sounds Video

[98Turbbo420A]

I'm working on getting a few more and should have some up by tomorrow but here are the limited few that I have. Listen for the dying turkey BOV!!! I'm the white car with the commando wing!

http://atari007.is-a-geek.com/media/sedsm03/flyby.WMV

This is one of the turbo, now naturally there isn't any load on the motor so it's hard to get it to spool, but this is what we've got so far.

http://atari007.is-a-geek.com/media/sedsm03/t4.WMV

Again I'll post more when I get them!

 

[siueclipse]

can't tell which one you are in the first video

and in the second.. honestly.. your engine sound ####ed up

 

[98Turbbo420A]

That's an external wastegate! But I did have a vacume leak that day so the motor was putting timing a bit.

 

[98Turbbo420A]

Yes the motor was pulling timing, and that was taken during the Southeast DSM meet in Atlanta this year. Furthermore, regarding the Star comment, maybe it was made scarcasticly! I know the Hahn Salesman and I have gone back and forth on this board for a while now, and if you think Star is S*** i want whatever you're taking. Not only does Star come out over Hahn in EVERY comparison ever done (even by Turbo Magazine), it out performs, looks better, and is more upgradable for less money than Hahn ever has been. So if that is S***, you're scaring me with your train of thought.

If it was made as a joke, I apoligize, but knocking on the Star kit is something you can't do, not when it's on top in every comparison.

 

[Bd1000Eclipse]

it was a joke, so you should be sorry. I am n/t hoping to become turbo and would take either kit... and just because turbo magazine says it's the best doesn't mean it is.. and just because siueclipse says hahn is the best doesn't mean it is, and just because you say star is the best doesn't mean it is. i would take a star kit because it is cheaper, but can not find it anywhere and do not want to order from the wyatts guy since his site no longer works, so that's why i'm getting a hahn kit because i know i wont get screwed there.. no offense to you man, your turbo, you're already my hero.

 

[siueclipse]

its not about the kit itself, its about the company backing the turbo

 

[Bd1000Eclipse]

Originally posted by siueclipse
its not about the kit itself, its about the company backing the turbo

exactly what i was trying to say

 

[98Turbbo420A]

You know Mr. HRC, that's the only excuse you've ever had, because not once have I never heard you say HRC's kit itself is better.....just an observation.

BTW, if you want Wyatt's number I can give you that!

As far as being a better kit, come on now guys, lets see here; every comparision that has ever been done on the two and Star always comes out ahead, how can you argue with that. You would think the guys in Turbo Mag would know SOMETHING about the kit, and obviously like it to make it #1....!

 

[Malenko]

my god that BOV sound is hilarious, no offense.

I got my star kit (stage 1 with custom FMIC and piping), in boxes in my room waiting for both the snow to melt the shop to have an opening.


turbo, BOV, and Mt.Dew IM HAPPY!!

 

[siueclipse]

Im an autocross kinda guy, so yes I think the HAHN kit is better for autocross because it spools quicker. If you want to turn your import into a drag car go with the star kit. I personally feel that our cars weren't ment for just drag. With the HAHN kit you can do both drag and autocross, but you can only do drag with the star kit.

I own a business, thats why I look for a strong backing from a company that I spend a hefty amount of money with.

You seem to get very defensive about your buddy whyatt and his star kit. Could it be that you are fighting a loosing a battle and know it?

 

[BakerGSX]

They both seem like nice kits but does Star provide the tech support that Hahn does? Just curious because this summer I will be putting a turbo on my GS. The only thing I don't understand is how can you say that either turbo would be an autocross turbo. Obviously the T3/T4 is not but the Hahn 16G runs a 10cm exhaust housing which makes for some massive lag compared to a true autocross turbo like a the FP Big28 or the Big28 Killa. For autocross you would idealy want a turbo that spools below 3000 rpms. The Hahn usually won't spool below 3000 without some major porting of the exhaust side and the turbo itself. I agree with 98turbo though how can you debate the quality when so many side by sides have proven the power of the Star kit? Also if this was in the 4G world the debate between these two turbos would not exist.

 

[BakerGSX]

By the way, Melenko that kit looks sweet! I can't wait to see what it does after you get it in.

 

[siueclipse]

Well, my hahn kit spools at about 2500 rpm. Star in no way offers tech support. I didn't say either turbo would be great for autocross, I said the hahn kit would be better because it spools quicker.

I can doubt all the quality of the kit that I want. Its my opinion. Ive seen a few of the parts star sends with their kit and honestly, some of the parts look like junk.

Furthermore, when the video clip of the star kit was played, it was not all that impressive at all and actually made many people think the star kit was junk because of it.

 

[Bd1000Eclipse]

Originally posted by siueclipse
actually made many people think the star kit was junk because of it.

i sure did

 

[BakerGSX]

Do you have a cat back or turbo back exhaust siueclipse? Just curious because I doubt you'll see 2500 spool on a Hahn 16G with 3" turbo back. Honestly I think your being too hard on that video because seems to me like he is running 13.8 and you don't have any times up. Even such I doubt with even the 250hp you say your going to have that you will see 13.8. So hmmm Star Kit 13.8....Hahn Kit.....hmmm If you want to talk about shitty sounds that sounds pretty shitty to me. BTW have you ever owned a Star Kit or know anyone personally that has one? If not I don't think you should be giving opinions of it. Beating down a upstart company like Star just because you own the opposite is not a valid comparison.

 

[siueclipse]

Im running stock exhaust right now. I dont have any times up because i put the kit in during the winter time, however, I do know that I can smoke a GST. His car didn't sound right in the video. I simply made the point that if I was going to have a video for a turbo kit, I wouldn't show off a video where it makes the kit look like and sound like sh$t

Im not simply going against star because I own hahn. I have stated time and time again that they are both good kits, however, I choose to spend my money with a company I can rely on and trust. One that I can at least get a hold of and has a working website. Ive heard too many horror storys about the star kits. I dont think ive ever read a horror story about a hahn kit.

Baker, you are missing all of my points and going off on tagents. I think you need to reread all my posts and replys to you before you continue this conversation.

 

[BakerGSX]

I'll agree with the fact that Hahn is a good company. My problem is that people(not you) tend to forget that they are an upstart like everyone else was once. I do recall several horror stories in the past about some of the products that hahn put out, but over the last few years they have managed to iron out the wrinkles and put out a pretty good product line. Although I would still think of Hahn as a kit for someone who is not as savey with turbos and installs because the main thing you pay for with Hahn is the good tech support. If you already know a little bit about cars and the T3/T4 then you would be better off saving that 500 bucks and getting the star.

I might have to go back and listen to his video again but I wonder if part of the sounding so bad would be the video quality combined with the fact that he does not have the intake pipe on it? Just a guess. If anyone is referring to that fluttering noise that your hearing that is just the blow off valve.

Not to go off on you siu but I have seen some of your previous posts dealing with the star kit and all of your comments seemed a little harsh for not having first hand experience thats all.

 

[siueclipse]

A good kit starts with a solid company. You can't expect a company to go ahywhere if they don't answer their phone.

"Although I would still think of Hahn as a kit for someone who is not as savey with turbos and installs because the main thing you pay for with Hahn is the good tech support. If you already know a little bit about cars and the T3/T4 then you would be better off saving that 500 bucks and getting the star. "

Thats not true. Some people like having confidence in the company knowing that they have researched and developed the kit, they have installed it several times, are willing to help in any way possible, and can answer any questions. Directions, in my opinion are a sign of good faith from the company. It shows more professionalism, period.

It doesn't matter what is wrong with the dude's car in the video. My point remains that he should have at least waited till the car was in tip top shape before he goes and promotes a turbo kit that is on his car. Get my drift? Please?

My opinions are my opinions and I can show them any way I wish. I don't have to have first hand knowledge about everything in order to express an opinion on them.

I researched the turbo kits for a couple months before I bought one. I ended up with hahn because of all the horror storries ive heard about star, the company was avilable for a phone conversation, they have tech support, they actually have detailed instructions, they have spent more time on research and developement, and strickly to the point, they are a better company and don't give off the impretition that im going to be ripped off.

 

[BakerGSX]

I understand your grief with the Star Kits but there are obviously several members here (in the 13s) that don't have the same problem as you and have star kits in thier cars.

 

[Bd1000Eclipse]

Originally posted by BakerGSX
I understand your grief with the Star Kits but there are obviously several members here (in the 13s) that don't have the same problem as you and have star kits in thier cars.

but where do you get them from? how long does it take to get them? what kind of support do they have?

 

[birdman]

i have a star kit. I had some problems with fitment of a couple parts that came with the kit nothing that wasnt fixable but after everything got worked out ill tell you what for only 8-9psi this kit rips #######s. Id just rather have a t3/t4 that can eventually lay down massive ponies after a rebuild instead of having to upgrade to a 20g. it also only took about 2 1/2 weeks to get the whole kit so the waiting time wasnt that bad. hahn does have great support and a great company. it all depends on what your interests and goals are on your car that helps decide what kit to go with.

 

[Malenko]

seriously, the star vs hahn debate will never end. both kits have their ups and downs, lets just agree they are better then NER.

Personally Im happy with my STAR kit purchase (and Im sure 98turbbo420A and birdman are with theirs as well) and Im just as sure Suiselclipse is happy with his HAHN purchase.

Lets not be like some of the 4G63 guys and have a superiority complex about our turbos. Lets just be happy with what we have and happy for each other, and learn what we can.

Happy Boostin!
Malenko

 

[EvuLFleA]

Blah blah blah...

How many people who turbo their car really need tech support? Unless you had someone else install it for you then you should know pretty much how the damn thing works. The t3/t4 obviously has more lag then a s16g but it's seriously very minimal. What lags in the first .5 seconds will be seriously made up for in the other 13 seconds of a 1/4 race.

I don't see how HRC could have done so much research and still use their sh'tty "blackbox" FCD and also the Cartech FMU. Fooling the ECU into not seeing boost and your AFPR are pretty damn important in a turbo car and both suck. They also use a stock 3000gt BOV which btw sucks. Throw down another $150 for BOV, $250 for new AFPR, $55 for missing link fcd. Star's fuel system sucks too, but I'm just saying this "research" doesn't seem to good on HRC's side.

I still don't get why people say his engine sounds like sh't? Where do you have your external dumping in to? Do you have it plumbed back into your downpipe? I don't know what sounds soooo bad...

 

[Bd1000Eclipse]

you seem to be an expert at this.. so where's your turbo kit? o, still trying to make one?

 

[Turbo 420a]

I first joined DSMTuners.com after I installed my Star turbo kit. I figured both the Hahn kit and Star Kit would be very respected and co-existed in somewhat harmony. How very wrong I was. I strayed away from these debates for a long time but now I've seen enough.

What I most commonly hear when this argument is in the spotlight is that Hahn's technical support is so much better. Wow, what a very minute factor among the hundred other aspects that come with purchasing any turbo kit for a car.

Do you need technical support with a turbo kit? Well, when everything is said and done WHAT IS A TURBO KIT? It's a collection of parts that you paid a very reasonable amount of your money for and should arrive at your doorstep and unite together to make an exhaust driven air compressor fixed to your engine for the purpose of increasing power. If anything was missing or defective with my kit I had a warranty for the purchase (just like a Hahn kit) the whole time so there wasn't at all a risk of getting ripped off. Oh, and for any question I ever had Wyatt was always there, he even let me bother him on his cell phone. One occasion he was driving when I called him and he pulled over and parked as to give me his full attention. Is that not very good customer service?

Siueclipse, is a very confident customer of the Hahn kit as he said this in one of his posts:

<b>"I like the HAHN kit because before i bought a kit, I looked at the HAHN install directions and compared them to the Star kit, and let me say, if I bought the Star kit, there would be no way I could install the kit with one page of instructions, compared to the HAHN kit which has like 40 pages of instructions."</b>

If the company that made the kit sent everything needed in the expected condition then what sort of 'technical support' could you possibly need from them anyways? It couldn't possibly be about the install as I hope the "40 page manual" from Hahn should cover the relatively straight-forward process that is installing a turbo kit.

My Star kit came with only 2 pages of instructions, 1/20 of the instruction Hahn customers receive! My friend and I were two 18 year olds with nothing but hand tools and an 'Eibach Spring install' under our belts. We installed everything smoothly in under 13 hours. If two pages was enough for us, and 40 pages still isn't enough to help that Hahn customer than he/she doesn't deserve to be touching anything in an engine bay and should get a qualified person to do the install.

<b>"Furthermore, when the video clip of the star kit was played, it was not all that impressive at all and actually made many people think the star kit was junk because of it."</b>

Uhhh, "many" people thought the videos were junk? I saw you and Bd1000Eclipse, that's only two people, bashing the second video when clearly the sound you heard was because there was no filter on the air inlet! Not to mention the car wasn't even under load so no boost was really being produced.

Siueclipse, the two videos of your Hahn kit weren't exactly top-notch either. Only about twenty seconds of the two videos nearly fifteen minute combined duration is of your engine under any sort of noticeable (to the viewer) boost. And even in those few seconds of purpose you are losing traction because you, strangely enough, chose a rainy day to do this. The rest of the video the viewer is forced to wait for anything slightly pertaining to actual sound/visual ideas of your turbochargers effects. The parts of the two clips when the driver is talking with his girlfriend and smoking a cigarette while doing nothing with the throttle makes the viewer wonder why you even put those parts in. When it all comes down to it your two videos didn't accomplish anything more than 98Turbbo420A's two videos did. And his video's totaled only 1MB and got right to the point! Your two clips totaled 74MB where only about 1MB was good content! Then you post here and say these videos are crap. Did you ever think your two videos might not be so great either?

Oh, and your fuel pump is ridiculously loud. The Walbro that comes with the Star kit performs just like yours and isn't even close to as loud.

The 16g turbocharger with the Hahn kit does spool a little faster than the t3/t4 turbocharger that comes with the Star kit. Is that what you really want on your FWD application? It makes more sense to me to get a larger turbo that spools a little bit later so I can get the most traction possible. If you still want to spool like a 16g you can always add the 'ball bearing option' to your t3/t4

Also, does anyone have a link to any negative reports about Star. I am really curious to see this, and what went wrong with a Star kit, if this is even true. The only trouble I have had with my car since my turbo install is that I needed new injectors, just like anyone else who goes turbo is going to eventually need.

I long ago accepted both the HRC and Star's drawbacks when I was comparing them for my own purchase. It just turned out in the end I would be paying more money for less turbo kit if I went with Hahn. And that is the bottom line when it comes down to it. Remember, why pay extra money for tech support when you have a much larger collection of tech supporters here at DSMtuners.com.