| 420A Engine Management EPROMS, ECU, MAF, knock, EGT, wideband, datalogging, etc - specific to 2G N/T DSMs. |
03-10-2006, 03:29 AM
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got my emanage going on the dyno
Well I got my emange to work today....got it on the dyno....thing runs great.....I only put down 200whp because some how my fuel pump from my star kit got put in instead of my 255. Go figure......so now I'm gonna wait for some more cash so I can run some 550cc injectors and go from there.
Emange and e01 work great together....the response is awesome....and kicks in right away....You can also get it to where it holds the wastegate shut for a small amount of time and then let all the pressure out at once, to try to eliminate turbo lag.
Fuel map stuff is easy on this...and nice to operate.
Using the msd box that I have....we pulled a lot of timing to start with. (about 16 degreees) and that made it way easy to adjust the fuel then bring it back in.
I had it going really good at 12psi....making close to 240whp...but the only thing was the fuel pump and injectors couldn't keep up with the boost at the last 1000rpm's.
I'll be doing a more complete update of the process and settings pretty soon.
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03-10-2006, 05:58 AM
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03-11-2006, 01:11 AM
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06-24-2006, 11:09 AM
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Can you please post your emanage settings.
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06-24-2006, 01:29 PM
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Bout time rand. Congrats man you hung in there longer then I could. A am very happy for you and cant wait to see what you get with the bigger injectors. If I remember right you are running 370's now right? Anyway congrats.
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06-24-2006, 03:44 PM
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WEll I bumped the injector size up to 550cc. These are probably too big for a piggy back system, so if you do have the emanage and haven't scrapped it (like I'm about to do) Just use smaller injectors (maximum size I would put on are 440cc) And hopefully that will carry you to the amount of boost that you want.
Another thing if you can figure out away to see how much timing the stock ecu is adancing when you take away fuel, because you might have to rework the injector conversion table again after you drop your fuel pressure enough to get a proper idle. Too much advancing is bad.
If your looking for the settings on the emange blue, search over at 2gnt.com Me and Jamesman were talking about it a long time ago, and I actually forget what they are. There are 2 that work for sure.
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06-26-2006, 09:36 AM
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So what is the largest sizeinjectors that the Emanage can run...a friend of mine is rebuilding his 420a with forged internals and I am trying to help him find the best fuel management for his setup. He is not the most knowledgable fellow, but I am trying to find something user friendly for us. Emanage seems to be the answer ( i run dsmlink onmy 1g) The Megasquirt seems to quarky and indepth for it to be ideal for him since he won't be doing the tuning. Any suggestions or insight?
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06-26-2006, 12:23 PM
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The emange is only going to be able to control fuel, not spark on our car. (long story search 2gnt.com)
But basically it works but its still a piggy back. If he is built and going for big boost, the emange and a different ignition system work, however it .......sorry gotta head back, to class
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06-26-2006, 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by BigRand
The emange is only going to be able to control fuel, not spark on our car. (long story search 2gnt.com)
But basically it works but its still a piggy back. If he is built and going for big boost, the emange and a different ignition system work, however it .......sorry gotta head back, to class
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Damn you Randy! I was looking forward to your response. lol. I need to know these things as well.. .
Oh well, just don't forget to edit! 
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06-26-2006, 03:11 PM
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meh...scrap the emanage, you'll want a megasquirt like the rest of us in the end anyways 
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06-27-2006, 06:23 PM
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I can't really knock greddy too bad, this piggy back system would have been awesome if they could get the ignition thing to work for our cars.
I'll let you know what I end up doing, because I actually won't be getting megasqurit either. Basically I have to get this to work properly or I'm selling the car. (long story behind it)
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07-04-2006, 02:26 PM
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what msd box are you running with the emanage? i see you are running the msd coil pack and the upgraded wires.
are you saying that with 440cc injectors, emanage, and the msd box is good enough?
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07-04-2006, 04:28 PM
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I'm running the msd dis-2 box (6121) w/boost retard.
The reason I say use smaller injectors on when using the emange is because I have the 550cc injectors, and to get them to idle, I have my fuel presssure way down at 20psi.
I believe the emangage can control the injectors if they are a lil more closer to stock form.
The only reason to be using the msd box is to control timing, at high boost applications.
Let me say this now, I'm not reccomending the use of the emange, with out some serious knowledge and patience. Because although its piggy back and easy to install, it has its issues because its a piggy back. So be warned, if you are looking for help because you already have one installed, I'm here to try and help, if you are looking for an emange, I will not reccomend the use of it on our cars until I can figure out how to get everything working properly and create a guide on how to do so.
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09-18-2006, 09:31 AM
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I would have to disagree with your assessment.
I have the emanage with 660 injectors and it runs just fine on my 98 TSI. The software is not as intuitive as I would have liked in the beginning (and the internet forum information is scarce), but I'm getting used to it.
While there are some challenges with the Emanage, it is a great piggy-back computer. You just need to figure out how to use the thing. The instructions with it suck big time.
The only reason I got the emanage is because I fell into a good deal for the Emanage, ignition harness, injector harness, and software. ($300)
I've even got the LC-1 Innovate Wideband hooked up to the Emanage to log AFR.
I would have to mention that the cost of all these add-ons Greddy forces you to purchase to get the full package really sucks. If you are just starting out and don't have the "used-hook-up deal", get something cheaper and easier to get support on. Everyone and their brother is using the SAFC-II / DSMLINK, so you can get quick answers to your questions. The emanage users group on yahoo has a terrible interface and is not frequented at all by DSM emanage users.
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09-18-2006, 09:39 AM
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I wouldn't mind using the emange on a motor besides the 420a, You see we can't even use the ignition harness on our cars making it very hard to see the emange as worth the money. I need to find someone that knows how to tune using the injector pulse map, and maybe I can enjoy the emange. I think that if I just had the full standalone capabilities of megasquirt that it would have been less money in the long run.
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09-20-2006, 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by SanfordTurbo
I would have to disagree with your assessment.
I have the emanage with 660 injectors and it runs just fine on my 98 TSI.
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Apples to oranges... Completely different cars.
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