Why spend all that money when you can go 11's for under 2K??

[NosLaser]

Just kinda curious why DSM guys spend all this money trying to make their cars faster, when with a few simple mods and a total investment, you can run low-mid 11's at over 120mph. Can anyone else put together a setup that can accomplish this goal for under $2K? The rules are you can start with any year DSM (Eclipse/Talon/Laser) and you can assume a strong running motor, and a good shifting tranny. It doesn't have to be a daily driver, but must retain a 'street' look; no removing hoods or rear hatches for weight, and you must retain a mostly stock interior (dash, door panels, etc.) We'll call it the $2,000 challenge. Let's see your entries. I will post mine in a bit so I don't give away too many ideas.

Regards,

 

[IJSaul]

I don't know specifics of a N2O setup, but I am sure you will be able to fill us in on that. I would figure that a 100 hp shot could be done for under $500, a used good condition t3/t4 with a flange for under $700, and $150 S-afc. The rest is hacked maf and drop the exhaust plus injectors say $300 for used 660s. That would be a total of $1650. Probably need a clutch, so an ACT 2600# would kill the $350 left. That's my grand total of $2000. Maybe skimp on something else since you will need a MBC, or just a bleeder valve. -Ian

 

[DeezGst]

I haven't been in the DSM thing for a while now...sold my GS-T almost a year ago... and prices elude me to how much stuff is for DSM's anymore...but I'll take a stab at it...

1G AWD
ACT2600 Clutch
Walbro Fuel Pump
used 16G turbo (350-400)
port 02 housing yourself (time)
Drop the exhaust (free)
Race Gas (gotta put gas in it anyways, does that count)
Timing Gun (25.00 bucks maybe..?)
Nitrous to spray intercooler (no clue)
AFC (350.00)
Boost Gauge (Autometer 42.00)
EGT Gauge (Greddy 170.00)
K&N Filter (90.00)
Manual Boost controller (90.00)
Crushed 1G BOV (time)

low 12's@111-114

Tom Hoppe here in N.C. ran consistent 11.90's with the above setup, except he was running a buschur exhuast/dp...

I'd say with a strong car/good driver/good tuning... low 12's could be achieved pretty easily with the above setup...easier said then done though..

 

[NosLaser]

Here is my setup:

1992 Laser AWD Turbo
NGK Plugs/Wires $35
180 degree thermostat $3
used 3 inch Tubular O2 Eliminator $80
3 inch pipe dump (about 18 inches) $20
used Walbro 255lph HP pump $75
ARP head studs $80
2.5 inch piping from Turbo Outlet to Throttle body, 95 TB elbow, IC bypassed and removed $60
used ACT 2600 w/street disk $250
used EFI systems PMS $500
used 750cc injectors $300
used NOS systems wet kit jetted for 150HP $325
Port the hell out of the stock 1G exhaust manifold $free
used 7cm turbine housing $75
port the hell out of the turbine housing $free
EGT Gauge $100
Eliminate balance shafts (remove belt, plug up front case and just leave them in) $35
Front and Rear bumpers removed
A/C compressor, condensor, lines, Power Steering pump, lines, resevoir removed
Charcoal canister removed, all vacuum lines capped off, coolant blocked to TB
Rear seats, seatbelts, passenger seat, spare tire, jack all removed
Rear wiper assembly and antenna removed
5 gallons NOS 120 octane race gas $40

Total Cost: $1998
Estimated Wheel Horsepower: 420
Estimated Wheel Torque: 440
Estimated ET: 11.40-11.50
Estimated MPH: 122-124

Regards,

 

[Philthmonger]

how about 12's for 1200? that's a bit more challenging. Had that project going just a month ago, never got it to the track.

tsi awd beater: 500
used big 16: 300
used afc: 200
used 550's : 200
all "free" mods
....drop the exaust and run some race gas, tune it, boom 12's. you're stock clutch won't last, but at least you can pull a 12.9 or two before you have to add to that price. there was a car in the local club here with those exact mods (plus an act 2600) pulling low 13's and high 12's all day.

 

[IJSaul]

How do you run her without the N2O? What boost can you drive at without knock? What does she weigh in at? -Ian

 

[NosLaser]

...how about 12's for 1200?...

That's good, but it can be done for even less. My friend's 93 GSX went 12.80 at 104.59 with a full 3 inch exhaust (paid $500) a K&N, manual boost controller, and a fuel pump. Most good running 1G AWD DSM's can run into the 12's with just exhaust, a fuel pump, and boost.

As far as what boost can you drive around with without knock with the IC removed, I have no idea. This was hypothetical and the setup I described would be more of a track-only affair. Obviously there are much more streetable ways to get into the 11's, however cheap as possible was the object here and making it run 11's and still be streetable would be MUCH more expensive. Not to mention the 14B wouldn't last too long with that much nitrous running through it. 1/4 mile at a time with a good cool-down between runs and you'd have a low buck record breaker. Weight I would estimate at @ 2600-2700 pounds. Ask JayHass..he did some weight removal and has accurate weights on the stuff he removed.

Regards,

 

[NosLaser]

Philthmonger,

Sorry...didn't see that you meant 12's INCLUDING the price of the car. That is pretty impressive.

Regards,

 

[GatorManTSI]

Here's a stupid question.....Since I may NEVER get to a track, what do you think MY set-up would be able to run? Just curious.

16g Turbo
Injen Air Intake
3" Apexi N1 Cat back Exhaust
3" RRE Down Pipe
3" High Flow Cat
Greddy Type S BOV
Greddy I/C Pipe Kit
8.5mm Magnecore wires
Walbro Fuel pump
ACT 2600 w/street disc
Hallman ES MBC set at 15psi
Extreme shifter bushing kit

Oh, and let's pretend I'm a great driver!

 

[Jehu]

I'm sorry, but stupid answer...take it to the track. Anything else is just conjecture and not even worth the effort typing it out IMO.

 

[GatorManTSI]

Originally posted by Jehu
I'm sorry, but stupid answer...take it to the track. Anything else is just conjecture and not even worth the effort typing it out IMO.

I was asking NosLaser anyway, since he is more knowledgable j/k

 

[DSSA]

Originally posted by NosLaser
To the rest of you, thanks for your entries. Here is my setup:

Total Cost: $1998
Estimated Wheel Horsepower: 420
Estimated Wheel Torque: 440
Estimated ET: 11.40-11.50
Estimated MPH: 122-124

Regards,

Looks nice on paper, but I'd like to see it happen.

Even *if* the car would run these times and only cost you this much(which I seriously doubt), you have a car that's a complete slug off of the bottle, and is track-only.

 

[Talonryda17]

This thread sounds like an episode of Monster Garage

 

[GoFastTSI]

Total Cost: $1998
Estimated Wheel Horsepower: 420
Estimated Wheel Torque: 440
Estimated ET: 11.40-11.50
Estimated MPH: 122-124

Ahhhh, the Aslan school of bench racing at it's finest. You can sit here and hypothesize all day on it shoulda, coulda, woulda run, but without a slip, it's all just words. Do us all a favor, oh Grand Puba of the Keyboard Racing Association, RUN the times first before wasting our time with more of your useless blabber to overinflate your sense of self worth on the internet.

 

[NosLaser]

You two are so lame. This thread was about coming up with a creative setup for under a certain price limit. It was SUPPOSED to be hypothsized. It was all nice and fun, not grounds for an argument. You guys must REALLY be having a lapse in your personal lives to attack me on THIS one. And yes, it would be a pig off the bottle, and yes it would be a track only car. But that was the point! Do I think it's possible? Absolutely. Do I really give a shit to do it? Not in the slightest. Come on, this is bad, even for you guys.

Regards,

 

[NosLaser]

...This thread sounds like an episode of Monster Garage...

At least SOMEONE gets it.

Regards,

 

[thehyena]

so.... Aslan, you think i could do that with my 1.8? :laugh:

 

[DSSA]

Originally posted by NosLaser
You two are so lame. This thread was about coming up with a creative setup for under a certain price limit. It was SUPPOSED to be hypothsized. It was all nice and fun, not grounds for an argument. You guys must REALLY be having a lapse in your personal lives to attack me on THIS one. And yes, it would be a pig off the bottle, and yes it would be a track only car. But that was the point! Do I think it's possible? Absolutely. Do I really give a shit to do it? Not in the slightest. Come on, this is bad, even for you guys.

Regards,

Right, in that case, why not title the thread "Umm..yeah, wouldn't it be cool if..."

It's $2000, Mr. High Roller. If this is so possible, why didn't any of your projects run these #s?

I think you're missing the point of what we're saying.

You come in here preaching your "gospel" like you're coming up with something of insightful. "Gut it, drop the exhaust and throw some big jets in it!" Yay, Mr. Guru.

Move over Jesus...Aslan built *MY* hotrod.

 

[thehyena]

shit, im about $4000 over the limit and im still in low 15's(when i get my car back)

 

[NosLaser]

...If this is so possible, why didn't any of your projects run these #s?...

Because my cars were A. FWD, and B. they had to be daily drivers. To accomplish both of those, you have to spend a LOT more money. You could drop a Cubed and Carbed V8 into a 4 cylinder Fox body Mustang with a big shot of gas on it and run 9's. But would you really want to drive that on the street everyday? I think YOU are missing the point.

...You come in here preaching your "gospel" like you're coming up with something of insightful. "Gut it, drop the exhaust and throw some big jets in it!" Yay, Mr. Guru....

What the fock are you talking about? I think you need to get off YOUR high horse. I didn't preach anything. I never said I was re-inventing the wheel. I simply proposed a fun challenge to hear people's ideas, and to share mine. Nothing more, nothing less. I seriously think you need to find a better outlet to channel your pent up aggression because you are REALLLLY reaching with this one pal.

Regards,

 

[thehyena]

and the wiseman takes down another wiseass
we should have a FWD turbo or non and a 4G37 all motor contest too

 

[Blitzed95Eclips]

whats up with the guy bashing noslaser? Everything he told us was obviously all in fun. Why do you have to ruin it? I found the thread interesting untill you came along and started talking smack. If you dont like the thread then dont reply. No need to tell Aslan off...unless of course it makes you feel like a better man.

 

[DSSA]

Originally posted by thehyena
and the wiseman takes down another wiseass
we should have a FWD turbo or non and a 4G37 all motor contest too

I'd be surprised that people still buy this "Wiseman" thing, but hey, even David Koresh had followers.

Sheep.

Ask Aslan why he posts here so much (I'd especially like the part where the rest of the world is the problem, not him)....and what happened to the AWD he was building a while ago.

And no Aslan, I have plenty of other stuff to do in life, however, we all need some form of entertainment at some time or another. You just happen to be on my list every once in a while, when I come across another one of your cheeseball posts you create to try to inflate you ego, and draw more sheep to the flock.

And I quote:

"Ughhh... I figured it would be stupid to ask a bunch of import guys this question. Obviously you have never heard of the $2000 challenge in the V8 community. You have a set budget and have to build the fastest car for under that budget. It's supposed to be FUN you tools. I used that opening line just to stir up some controversy. How about someone with a brain and a bit of creativity come up with some SUGGESTIONS and submit their entry.

MyEclipse5,

No. I am telling you I can come up with a setup that will run low to mid ELEVENS for under 2 grand. Let's see some real entries and I'll teach you all how. "

Oh yes, great master. Enlighten us with your drivel and show us your expertise...(I'd love to hear how you plug the front case and leave both balance shafts in and need 750cc injectors on a stock turbo car with a *WET* kit while you're doling out the insight)

If it's just a BS "let's discuss this", perhaps you should have adjusted your attitude to that of a person that runs the ETs that you've ran. Hell, even guys running 9s are more humble then thou.

Ughhh... I figured it would be stupid to ask a bunch of import guys this question. Obviously you have never heard of the $2000 challenge in the V8 community.

Yes, we peon import guys. BTW, the $2000 challenge started with Grassroots Motorsports which is hardly just "V8 community".

 

[NosLaser]

...Ask Aslan why he posts here so much (I'd especially like the part where the rest of the world is the problem, not him)....and what happened to the AWD he was building a while ago....

Because I enjoy it here perhaps? My post count isn't NEARLY as high as most people on here who have been a member as long as I have. What AWD I was building?

...And no Aslan, I have plenty of other stuff to do in life, however, we all need some form of entertainment at some time or another. You just happen to be on my list every once in a while, when I come across another one of your cheeseball posts you create to try to inflate you ego, and draw more sheep to the flock....

Well, I'm glad I can fill that void in your life, DSSA. And yep, this post is definately inflating my ego. I find it quite flattering that you take it upon yourself to keep tabs on the status of my ego. When I go to bed at night, it's 'DSSA Who?'

...Oh yes, great master. Enlighten us with your drivel and show us your expertise...

Hehe. You are too cute DSSA. What I find sad is that you are really a nobody in the car community, you really don't have any personal experience with DSM's or I'd venture to say any other car for that matter, but you managed to weasel your way into the NABR crowd by kissing a lot of ass and you try to impress people by talking like GrocMax (drivel, RTFM, yammerhead, etc.) I hate to break it to you, but while Scott may sound cool saying such things, you sound like an idiot that hasn't even managed to master the art of proper regurgitation. Coming on this forum with the sheer intent to start an argument with EVERYTHING I say is really getting old; I'm tired of it, and I'm sure everyone else is tired of seeing it too. If you have a problem with me, grab your balls and email me personally and we'll handle it. But let's do everyone else a favor and leave it off the forum.

Regards,

 

[Steve91Eclipse]

Originally posted by NosLaser


used 750cc injectors $300

Why the heck would you need upgraded injectors with a 14b if you're using a WET nitrous kit????? (especially ones that large!)

Eliminate balance shafts (remove belt, plug up front case and just leave them in) $35

Have you ever even done a balance shaft removal?? I doubt it, because if so, you'd know that you can leave the belt off and keeo the front one in place, but the rear one needs to come out. otherwise, you'd have more vibration than you can imagine. And what exactly are you "plugging up" on the front case if you're leaving the shaft in??

Regards,