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Posted by SaskTSI, Sep 13, 2019

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  1. SaskTSI

    SaskTSI Probationary Member

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    Hey guys curious to know what the thing I have circled in my picture is? Not the breather, thing behind it. I have 2 1995 eagle talon tsi's both run awesome, one has it, one doesnt
     

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  2. 1990TSIAWDTALON

    1990TSIAWDTALON Moderator

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    The "thing" behind the breather vent tube is your CAS, Cam Angle Sensor.
     

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    1967 Chevrolet Camaro RS
    rwd · automatic · Misc Vehicles

    Street Build 449  4

    1998 Eagle Talon TSi
    fwd · manual · 2G DSM

    Street Build 3K  21

    1992 Eagle Talon TSi AWD
    awd · automatic · 1G DSM

    Street Build 5K  11  25

    1990 Eagle Talon TSi AWD
    13.620 @ 108.460 · 1G DSM

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    1990 Eagle Talon TSi AWD
    13.612 @ 107.760 · 1G DSM
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  3. SaskTSI

    SaskTSI Probationary Member

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    So just curious, why would one car have it and the other not?
     

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  4. tk106

    tk106 Supporting Member

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    That is a question for the guy that designed the 7 bolt motor. 7 bolt crank position sensor is located under the timing cover.
     

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  5. Mello

    Mello Proven Member

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    The motor that has the CAS like in your picture is not a 95-96 head from the factory. Doesn't look like the 97-99 CAS either. Looks like a 1G CAS. The intake manifold in to a 2G & would imply this is a 1G motor. Is the motor in your picture a 6-bolt swap?
     
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  6. SaskTSI

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    Not actually my picture, I'll grab one of mine in about 10 minutes, that's one from the internet that had the part I was asking about
     

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  7. SaskTSI

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    Mines not a 6 bolt as far as I know
     

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  8. Mello

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    No matter. The 95-96 have the CAS under the cam gear & were the only 4G63 years like this. The 97-99 & 1G's has the CAS off the back end of the intake cam.
     
  9. SaskTSI

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    Well I'll still grab u a picture, I wanna know what u think
     

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  10. SaskTSI

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    Here's a picture
     

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  11. SaskTSI

    SaskTSI Probationary Member

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    And I was just looking and it's not even plugged into anything
     

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  12. 1990TSIAWDTALON

    1990TSIAWDTALON Moderator

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    I can trade you a part that will still plug that hole in exchange for the part that you aren't using :p
    You have a JDM Black top CAS on your car, it appears to me. If the car really isn't using it, there is a market for it. It is a "Hall Effect" CAS and is supposed to have a better resolution for the ECU than a Green top CAS which 1g cars usually use for timing and fuel injector control.
     

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    1967 Chevrolet Camaro RS
    rwd · automatic · Misc Vehicles

    Street Build 449  4

    1998 Eagle Talon TSi
    fwd · manual · 2G DSM

    Street Build 3K  21

    1992 Eagle Talon TSi AWD
    awd · automatic · 1G DSM

    Street Build 5K  11  25

    1990 Eagle Talon TSi AWD
    13.620 @ 108.460 · 1G DSM

    4K  24

    1990 Eagle Talon TSi AWD
    13.612 @ 107.760 · 1G DSM
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  13. SaskTSI

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    So why would it be on here if it's not being used? I just still dont quite understand
     

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  14. 1990TSIAWDTALON

    1990TSIAWDTALON Moderator

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    That plugs the hole where the back of the intake cam is at. It has an o-ring on it to seal the head/valve cover "HOLE" that it sticks into. The cam has 2 notches in it that the CAS engages to revolve at the same rate as the intake cam. The 2g cars use, as stated, a crankshaft position sensor that is under the timing cover. Some still use a CAS, but since I am not a 2g guy, I can't tell you which ones use what, but 2g's use a crank sensor instead or along with a cam sensor.
    @Mello, can you give any more input on this????
     

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    1967 Chevrolet Camaro RS
    rwd · automatic · Misc Vehicles

    Street Build 449  4

    1998 Eagle Talon TSi
    fwd · manual · 2G DSM

    Street Build 3K  21

    1992 Eagle Talon TSi AWD
    awd · automatic · 1G DSM

    Street Build 5K  11  25

    1990 Eagle Talon TSi AWD
    13.620 @ 108.460 · 1G DSM

    4K  24

    1990 Eagle Talon TSi AWD
    13.612 @ 107.760 · 1G DSM
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  15. SaskTSI

    SaskTSI Probationary Member

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    So i wonder
    how with this being unplugged is not affecting anything
     

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  16. 1990TSIAWDTALON

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    The car is running on the crank sensor. The cam sensor is just keeping oil in the motor, plugging the head hole, that's why I was teasing you and saying I could trade you a part to do the same thing. It is just keeping oil from getting out is all, is what it appears. You said the cars both run so it has to have a crank sensor doing the work.
     

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    1967 Chevrolet Camaro RS
    rwd · automatic · Misc Vehicles

    Street Build 449  4

    1998 Eagle Talon TSi
    fwd · manual · 2G DSM

    Street Build 3K  21

    1992 Eagle Talon TSi AWD
    awd · automatic · 1G DSM

    Street Build 5K  11  25

    1990 Eagle Talon TSi AWD
    13.620 @ 108.460 · 1G DSM

    4K  24

    1990 Eagle Talon TSi AWD
    13.612 @ 107.760 · 1G DSM
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  17. SaskTSI

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    I mean if I find out I have no use for it it's not like Itll be doing any good for me haha
     

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  18. 1990TSIAWDTALON

    1990TSIAWDTALON Moderator

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    Well it is a sought after item. Don't give it away....I run Green top CAS's because I have never found a good deal on a black top CAS. There really isn't any performance difference so what I use is working but be aware of what you have and don't get conned into a "deal" like I was teasing about.
    See this...........I could read the #'s on the CAS.......T1t49971
    https://www.ebay.com/p/Mitsubishi-E...-Camshaft-Position-Sensor-T1t49971/1152426888
    I see you only joined us last month, so if I didn't get a warm welcome to you, this is your warm welcoming! You have joined the Best DSM Forum on the internet so we try to give good, sound advice and keep us the best!
    Happy DSMing!!!
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    Marty
     

    317  17

    1967 Chevrolet Camaro RS
    rwd · automatic · Misc Vehicles

    Street Build 449  4

    1998 Eagle Talon TSi
    fwd · manual · 2G DSM

    Street Build 3K  21

    1992 Eagle Talon TSi AWD
    awd · automatic · 1G DSM

    Street Build 5K  11  25

    1990 Eagle Talon TSi AWD
    13.620 @ 108.460 · 1G DSM

    4K  24

    1990 Eagle Talon TSi AWD
    13.612 @ 107.760 · 1G DSM
    Loading...
  19. SaskTSI

    SaskTSI Probationary Member

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    Thanks for the info! And this is what is looks like on the other car, same year
     

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  20. 1990TSIAWDTALON

    1990TSIAWDTALON Moderator

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    Yep, notice it is just a plug. That is what your Black Top CAS is doing right now, just holding oil in the motor. :)
    Your cars are running on the crank angle sensor under the timing cover.
     

    317  17

    1967 Chevrolet Camaro RS
    rwd · automatic · Misc Vehicles

    Street Build 449  4

    1998 Eagle Talon TSi
    fwd · manual · 2G DSM

    Street Build 3K  21

    1992 Eagle Talon TSi AWD
    awd · automatic · 1G DSM

    Street Build 5K  11  25

    1990 Eagle Talon TSi AWD
    13.620 @ 108.460 · 1G DSM

    4K  24

    1990 Eagle Talon TSi AWD
    13.612 @ 107.760 · 1G DSM
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  21. Mello

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    Here's the repair manual pages for the 95-96 & 97-99 cylinder heads. Has the production p/n as well.

    EDIT: Mitsubishi used a combo cam & crank angle sensor on the 1G's on the back end of the intake cam. When they changed things for the 2G's they switch to separate cam & crank sensor. The 2 separate sensors are better in theory for with motor mechanical timing because it decreases the changes caused from the T-belt stretching & deflection. On the 95-96 the cam sensor is mount behind the intake cam gear on the T-belt side of the motor. In 97 & newer the switched the cam sensor over to the passenger side end opposite the cam gear similar to the 1G. Also on the 95-96 years they flipped the ignition coils around from the 1G type setup but flipped things back on the 97-99's & is why some folks have to adjust the plug wire order when mixing and matching ECU's & what not.
     

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