What is happening to this country...

[T is for TURBO]

http://prorev.com/2005/02/mcdonalds-outsources-oregon-drive-thru.htm

Where are they going to outsource to next? India? China? Damnit, when will capitalist corporations realize that outsourceing hurts the AMERICAN people. Its sad that part time jobs are now being outsourced. Its bad enough when I call a customer support line and I get someone in India, but common, this is getting little rediculous. I refuse to eat at McDonalds from now on.

If you don't belive it, Google it.

 

[karbon]

America is coming to...capitalism! Oh noes, what will happen next?

 

[EclipseSH21]

Hey, at least the jobs are staying in the USA. F*ck McDonalds though, their food sucks anyway. I haven't eaten there in years. However I eat at wendys on a weekly basis. w00t Wendy's!

 

[leet]

The corporations don't care, do you think they are loyal to the USA? Hardly. They are loyal to whatever option gives them the highest profit margin possible. Which, as of late, has been outsourcing.

We aren't capitalist anymore, we're consumerist. Everything is stuffed down our throats, and the people couldn't be happier. As long as they are content, they will not care about things that don't immediately affect them. Basically, it's like feeding a cat. You give it a little food every now and then and it will love you for life.

I could go on, but most people just won't understand.

 

[ITSME4G63]

The corporations don't care, do you think they are loyal to the USA? Hardly. They are loyal to whatever option gives them the highest profit margin possible. Which, as of late, has been outsourcing.

We aren't capitalist anymore, we're consumerist. Everything is stuffed down our throats, and the people couldn't be happier. As long as they are content, they will not care about things that don't immediately affect them. Basically, it's like feeding a cat. You give it a little food every now and then and it will love you for life.

I could go on, but most people just won't understand.

I understand what youre saying, here at work, half of the mahined parts we sell are coming in from china and taiwan. It hurts everyone in the long run. Too bad the govment wont put high ass tarriffs on imported products liek these, cause they prolly get paid off not to do so. All of this shit will explode in their face one day though. See the way I see it here, the first couple times an order is placed by us in taiwan or china, the price is really low, and then out fo nowhere they raise that shit sky high, so now were having some jobs come back to us, but, nobody wants to make them here for us since we screwed them by goign to taiwan/china in the first place. DOG EAT DOG WORLD I TELL YA.

 

[cuttheduck]

Its a two way street. We all love the cheap cheap prices and competition that the chinese products bring. We all shop for the lowest price whether it be at walmart or buying a cheap car parts. If we as consumers wouldn't demand the lowest price in everything this outsourcing wouldn't exist to such a degree. We are moving away from a manufactuaring society though we should be okay, as long as there no more world wars because we don't make anything anymore. Seriously

 

[big green]

Do you not know anything about economics? Outsouceing is good for the economy. America should be beyond a manurfacturing country at this point. It should be saved for developing countries and we should be focusing on high technology

 

[leet]

Do you not know anything about economics? Outsouceing is good for the economy. America should be beyond a manurfacturing country at this point. It should be saved for developing countries and we should be focusing on high technology

And what happens if/when those countries manufacturing enterprises (which we would be depending on under your plan) fail? We'd be dead in the water. What is your definition of a developing country?

If we focus on technology only we will end up much like the Soviets.

America HAS to support itself, depending on others for your economic survival is, in the long term, not a wise move.

 

[EclipseSH21]

The outsourcing issue isn't AS bad as everyone thinks. Outsourcing jobs only helps a handful of companies, and the phrase "Made in the USA" is becoming a major selling point. Also tech companies such as Motorola are actually bringing some of the tech support jobs back to the US. MANY consumers are complaining about the lack of help and miscommunication with overseas tech support. Training workers to speak "American" is expensive and offsetting the savings to a certain degree.

I know in my own personal experience I will NEVER buy a Linksys (Cisco Systems) product ever again, nor I advocate others to purchase said product, because their tech support is horrible. Think about it. The consumer is already pissed off because what was supposed to work isn't working, and now they have to deal with some language barrier bullshit, because the people on the other end of the phone don't know what I'm saying, and I can't understand a damn word they say. I'll pay a few extra dollars more up front to save myself the headache and anger later on.

I do agree that America does need to keep more manufacturing jobs here. Again, I'll pay a dollar more to know a fellow American is keeping their job, rather than watch that job go off to the Middle East to employ the very people that have been attacking us. That's unfortunatley just me though.

 

[beating4g63s]

this is some b.s. that has got to be insane. nobody cares if someone makes a order wrong especially at McDonald's all I do is go back around takes 2 mins to either go back in the drive threw or walk in side and complain and they make your food fast. and it's all done. it's stupid, I work at a call center were company's outsource and I'm switching to a different account because the company I work for now is going back to outsourcing to another country. but hey I'm happy cause I still have a job. and still get the same pay. but still. working were I do I've made this company more money then an entire call center that was outsourced. and thats me by my self because I'm good at what I do. with out pissing people off or the horrible language barrier that different countries have. I love McDonald's food. but this right here I'll never eat there food again. because of the cheap stupid sh1t they are doing I so hope this does not catch on. cause then I'll have to cook every dam night.

 

[Ken]

MC Donalds ad division is based in MO, not IL, I've been there. Also manufacturing jobs aren't going to the middle east, they go to eastern asia. It's too expensive to put a factory in any country in the middle east that still has the infrastructure to transport goods. Outsourcing isn't a bad thing, people have been complaining about it since WWII when we started outsourcign to Japan to help rebuild their economy. We still haven't seen the collapse of the American way of life that's been 60 years in the making. We aren't dependant on any country, we choose to use other countries for our financial gain and if it's no longer profitable we tae our money somwhere else. Wait until next year when the eplosion of computer parts manufacturers in East Asia catches up with themselves and the surplus builds up, 20" LCD monitors for $30 sounds good to me, American jobs are selling them and marketing them, and the company is still making a profit.

 

[Defiant]

Wait'll the Chinese cars come here. Kling-ding-doong-spatter-splat-splat.

 

[ADrewzki]

Atleast they make good eggrolls.

 

[Bostedquest]

With the way that the world is heading, outsourcing is the least of this countries worries.

I do not care what anyone says, the US needs to wean itself off mid east oil. Go to ethanol, not only is it feasible it is doable and clean. Not to mention could be made for under 75 cents a gal.
Then we need to follow that up with full out bio diesel production on a massive scale.

Next? you mean I have more? you bet I do... Cold fusion is working. 1 unit of power returns 60. Do the reasearch.
If not that, then convert the coal power plants to hydrogen fuel powered. Split the water, burn the oxy/hydro mix and still turn the same steam turbines for cleaner power.

 

[Ken]

I totally agree with you except I'd say biodiesel before Ethanol (cheaper ethanol production this way) And impletment more anything-to-oil plants. Anything-to-oil plants are basically plants that take used biological matter (unused pig parts from a hog farm for example) and extracts oils from them suitable fpr fuel and lubricants. This also eleminates a nast biological waste. I don't know about the cold fusion you speak of, I don't think it's actuallly been made to work. And the conversion of exicting coal poweerplants to giant fuel cells would ot be cost effective. Hydrogen farms may prove more useful, they've found a certain algea emits hydrogen gas so farming this algea could produce the hydrogen to be piped into peoples homes so that they could power their own fuel cells as well as providing a reseve of drinking water.

Of ccourse it would be people who live or lived in Illinois who favor Ethanol fuels.

 

[Bostedquest]

I totally agree with you except I'd say biodiesel before Ethanol (cheaper ethanol production this way) And impletment more anything-to-oil plants. Anything-to-oil plants are basically plants that take used biological matter (unused pig parts from a hog farm for example) and extracts oils from them suitable fpr fuel and lubricants. This also eleminates a nast biological waste. I don't know about the cold fusion you speak of, I don't think it's actuallly been made to work. And the conversion of exicting coal poweerplants to giant fuel cells would ot be cost effective. Hydrogen farms may prove more useful, they've found a certain algea emits hydrogen gas so farming this algea could produce the hydrogen to be piped into peoples homes so that they could power their own fuel cells as well as providing a reseve of drinking water.

Of course it would be people who live or lived in Illinois who favor Ethanol fuels.

I will try to make points and answer questions as I go.

Cold fusion is basically shooting a modulated laser into "heavy water" or a better term, sea water.
This begins and sustains a electro-chemical reaction that creates heat and energy. Basically a hydrogen generator using a laser. But it is much more effective.

Hydrogen power plants as I was speaking of them is like this...
A person pioneered a way to extract hydrogen from water very effectively, and more importantly, cheaply.
Typically, it takes a large amount of electricity (volts) to separate the hydrogen, but he went out of the box and tried automotive coil packs. They generate up wards of 80-90K volts, but at very low electrical draw.
It was a huge success, a typical automotive battery could dissipate many if not hundreds of gallons of water into hydrogen/oxygen mix.
You then use hydrogen in that gaseous state to burn as fire source. Still very clean, and about many times hotter than gasoline/oil in the same amounts.
So then the only loss of power would be initial start up of the hydrogen separators. After that they start firing the water tanks to create steam (the same way that coal/oil plants do) but at a much higher temp, increasing the efficiency of the system. So then it would be a cascade effect, the hydrogen generators use power, but at a much lower rate then the power that they produce as hydrogen. I would hate to see the water bill though...

I think that the Ethanol should be done for a simple reason, the word on bio diesel has spread far and wide and is being utilized. Ethanol however, will require a large start up cost, but once started, will yield great benefits.
I do realize that the country uses more diesel than gasoline, but bio diesel can be made at home in a garage, where ethanol to be effective would have to be made on a very large scale to be a true benefit in costs.

And not just corn can be used to make Ethanol, wheat, barley or some other main stream grains can also be used.

I am not pushing Ethanol just because I live in Illinois, once it is proven in Illinois, I can see many of the other states moving to large corn crops to supply other areas. But I have no doubt that Ethanol producing corn fields in Illinois could probly supply 40 or so percent of this countries automotive fuel as Ethanol.
Then imagine that, once other states start producing it in mass, we could become a world leader in EXPORTING AUTOMOTIVE FUEL! that would be simply halarious...

I think that many other states in the south west should go to solar farms. Hell it is nothing but mostly empty desert anyway. You could also use the surface as a geothermal generator.
There are just so many things that this country can do to improve itself and the world, but it does nothing.

 

[Defiant]

Cold fusion is basically shooting a modulated laser into "heavy water" or a better term, sea water.

And how do you power-up that laser?

Hydrogen power plants as I was speaking of them is like this...
A person pioneered a way to extract hydrogen from water very effectively, and more importantly, cheaply.
Typically, it takes a large amount of electricity (volts) to separate the hydrogen, but he went out of the box and tried automotive coil packs. They generate up wards of 80-90K volts, but at very low electrical draw.
It was a huge success, a typical automotive battery could dissipate many if not hundreds of gallons of water into hydrogen/oxygen mix.

And how do you make that battery?

You then use hydrogen in that gaseous state to burn as fire source. Still very clean, and about many times hotter than gasoline/oil in the same amounts.

You're heading into the same trap as most of Art Bell's guests do- power generation always runs behind. You never get ahead of what it takes to start things, or you overlook the amount of energy required to create the prime mover.

So then the only loss of power would be initial start up of the hydrogen separators. After that they start firing the water tanks to create steam (the same way that coal/oil plants do) but at a much higher temp, increasing the efficiency of the system. So then it would be a cascade effect, the hydrogen generators use power, but at a much lower rate then the power that they produce as hydrogen. I would hate to see the water bill though...

I think that the Ethanol should be done for a simple reason, the word on bio diesel has spread far and wide and is being utilized. Ethanol however, will require a large start up cost, but once started, will yield great benefits.
I do realize that the country uses more diesel than gasoline, but bio diesel can be made at home in a garage, where ethanol to be effective would have to be made on a very large scale to be a true benefit in costs.

And not just corn can be used to make Ethanol, wheat, barley or some other main stream grains can also be used.

And were do you get the energy to make these grains? How do you fertilize the crops? How do you gather, transport and process them?

I think that many other states in the south west should go to solar farms. Hell it is nothing but mostly empty desert anyway. You could also use the surface as a geothermal generator.
There are just so many things that this country can do to improve itself and the world, but it does nothing.

It's economics. Why develop alternatives while oil's so cheap? Why hire $15/hour Americans if Punjabis will do the work for $2? And with no unions.

 

[ninjai_ruken]

I have been preaching Civil War for years, I am still loyal to the good ol US of A but I am sick of getting ####ed by my own country. I got audited last year when I was 100% honest on my tax's when I know 3 different people who claim married and 9 kids and they have been doing it for years. ####in pricks, plus most of our politicians are backed by the corporations, and thats why I don't vote. Think about it, is it cost effective to cure a disease right away when we have the technology to do so or are they going to make more money just treating the disease...I say ####'em all.

 

[EclipseSH21]

I will try to make points and answer questions as I go.

Cold fusion is basically shooting a modulated laser into "heavy water" or a better term, sea water.
This begins and sustains a electro-chemical reaction that creates heat and energy. Basically a hydrogen generator using a laser. But it is much more effective......


.....I think that the Ethanol should be done for a simple reason, the word on bio diesel has spread far and wide and is being utilized. Ethanol however, will require a large start up cost, but once started, will yield great benefits.
I do realize that the country uses more diesel than gasoline, but bio diesel can be made at home in a garage, where ethanol to be effective would have to be made on a very large scale to be a true benefit in costs.

And not just corn can be used to make Ethanol, wheat, barley or some other main stream grains can also be used.

I am not pushing Ethanol just because I live in Illinois, once it is proven in Illinois, I can see many of the other states moving to large corn crops to supply other areas. But I have no doubt that Ethanol producing corn fields in Illinois could probly supply 40 or so percent of this countries automotive fuel as Ethanol.
Then imagine that, once other states start producing it in mass, we could become a world leader in EXPORTING AUTOMOTIVE FUEL! that would be simply halarious...

I think that many other states in the south west should go to solar farms. Hell it is nothing but mostly empty desert anyway. You could also use the surface as a geothermal generator.
There are just so many things that this country can do to improve itself and the world, but it does nothing.

Fusion, not cold fusion, but "regular fusion" is already in the works. http://msnbc.msn.com/id/8385911/

Ethanol isn't going to work. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8607389/
"it takes 29 percent more fossil energy to turn corn into ethanol than the amount of fuel the process produces. "

Eventually, I see something like this http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7654627/ powering our cars, aircraft, etc. in the future.

 

[leet]

I have been preaching Civil War for years, I am still loyal to the good ol US of A but I am sick of getting ####ed by my own country. I got audited last year when I was 100% honest on my tax's when I know 3 different people who claim married and 9 kids and they have been doing it for years. ####in pricks, plus most of our politicians are backed by the corporations, and thats why I don't vote. Think about it, is it cost effective to cure a disease right away when we have the technology to do so or are they going to make more money just treating the disease...I say ####'em all.

I think we should buy some land in Utah and make a compound. I will defend you if you will defend me, American.

Have to find the strength, let the spirit overcome.

 

[dremersvision]

this is some b.s. that has got to be insane. nobody cares if someone makes a order wrong especially at McDonald's all I do is go back around takes 2 mins to either go back in the drive threw or walk in side and complain and they make your food fast. and it's all done. it's stupid, I work at a call center were company's outsource and I'm switching to a different account because the company I work for now is going back to outsourcing to another country. but hey I'm happy cause I still have a job. and still get the same pay. but still. working were I do I've made this company more money then an entire call center that was outsourced. and thats me by my self because I'm good at what I do. with out pissing people off or the horrible language barrier that different countries have. I love McDonald's food. but this right here I'll never eat there food again. because of the cheap stupid sh1t they are doing I so hope this does not catch on. cause then I'll have to cook every dam night.

time is money i dont have time to go back into mcdonalds because they got my order wrong. if the the person that takes the order repeats it to me now the dumb @ss thats making the big mac with very little sauce obviously cant read and what you will find is that some places are worst then others. where i started to understand the made in america thing was when i rode bmx bikes. only a few companies made their bilkes in the u.s one being STANDARD and almost every hardcore street rider rode a STANDARD even though it cost more then your average frame it was built to withstand more abuse.

 

[yunior]

http://prorev.com/2005/02/mcdonalds-outsources-oregon-drive-thru.htm

Where are they going to outsource to next? India? China? Damnit, when will capitalist corporations realize that outsourceing hurts the AMERICAN people. Its sad that part time jobs are now being outsourced. Its bad enough when I call a customer support line and I get someone in India, but common, this is getting little rediculous. I refuse to eat at McDonalds from now on.

If you don't belive it, Google it.

thats hapend to me before and he said his name was mike but he sounded more like apu form the Simpson's (no offense to anyone out there)

 

[Bostedquest]

And how do you power-up that laser?And how do you make that battery? You're heading into the same trap as most of Art Bell's guests do- power generation always runs behind. You never get ahead of what it takes to start things, or you overlook the amount of energy required to create the prime mover.And were do you get the energy to make these grains? How do you fertilize the crops? How do you gather, transport and process them?It's economics. Why develop alternatives while oil's so cheap? Why hire $15/hour Americans if Punjabis will do the work for $2? And with no unions.

Defiant... man, do some reseach or just butt out... and stop trying to pick things apart.
everything I listed yes has a start up loss of power...
But everything I listed also very quickly (within minutes) overcomes that loss and is self powering and produces power in excess of its use of it.

Say it takes 1 Kw hour to produce 700 Cubic feet of hydrogen. When burned that hydrogen spins a turbine that makes 50 Kw hours of power. Where is the loss?

I already stated the fusion generators gains...

And Ethanol is listed below.

Ethanol can be make power as much as 162% of pure gain. Yes that includes the fertilizer and everything. My source? click below. It is as low as 138% 38% gain to a staggering 162% pure gain. http://www.carbohydrateeconomy.org/...ch_Energy_Does_it_Take_to_Make_a_Gallon_.html

 

[Bostedquest]

Ethanol isn't going to work. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8607389/
"it takes 29 percent more fossil energy to turn corn into ethanol than the amount of fuel the process produces. "

That study has been rediculed by so many people it is rediculous.
Everyone that has worked with ethanol production calls it a waste of paper.
It is. It was funded by oil companies.
Look to countries in South America, many of them are largerly, or entirely on Ethanol.

Also look at the most the gas sold in the US. It is cut with Ethanol. Meaning, why is it profitable in small amounts, but not large? something is fishy. Do your own reasearch drone... not everything printed is true you know.

 

[EclipseSH21]

I had written a huge long winded argument here, but on second though I'll jsut leave it at this: the technology isn't here yet for ethanol, of any type of derivative, to be a viable energy soluion. We need more clean power in order for corn ethanol to be a realistic option, as lots of electricity is necessary, and right now we are still using old archaic coal burining plants, which dump all kinds of CO2 into the atmosphere. Fusion power needs to be acclerated, once that happens then we can begin large scale production of Ethanol.

I agree ethanol may be the best solution for powering our cars in the future, but as for now, it just isn't a reality.