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2G what AWD transmission part will stand up to 800AWHP

Posted by CrazyGSX, Aug 26, 2019

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  1. CrazyGSX

    CrazyGSX Proven Member

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    hi i am building a car built for 800whp+ DSM/CRX this winter with some friends and people i know from different auto business. welders/fab, car audio/interior builder/full car mil-spec and auto body/painter. i design everything and build
    engines. I'm thinking of buying a 2g AWD manual DSM 5 speed that is good for 800awhp. what to look for and buy.
    i want to be able to beat on the car with giving it fuel/air. blowing the car sideways and stuff like that.
    do i need PPG gear sets. what i need for Bearing and who makes them. if there racing forks what to buy.
    im using a DSM/EVO rear end and custom the drive shaft shop axles and driveshafts, they offer custom made stuff.
     
  2. motomattx

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    You really need a dogbox or a built auto, that or full Liberty, if you want to thrash it and have it last.
     

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  3. jdxnc

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    Yup on the PPG or built auto, I've seen too many liberty gearsets trashed in very short order to suggest them.

    All the "stage" 5 speed builds are just a mix of oem gears with higher preloads and some detailing, none will last at that power. If it doesn't have a PPG gearset, don't bother.
     

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  4. ThunderChild

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    Just so it's full disclosure, you won't be street driving a PPG either without giving it a teardown and refresh far more often, but it will hold power better than any of the stage built transmissions due to the straight-cut, aftermarket gears. You also aren't going to be granny shifting it, you have to full out shift it constantly.
     

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  5. CrazyGSX

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    does any know if boostin performance build trannys? or should i get all the parts and build it myself?
    I'm just thinking if i do it my self ill miss some parts that are not to be OEM and it will blow up
     
  6. motomattx

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    Jacks Transmission and a few others build them or sell parts and an upgrade path, not so sure about Devin.
     

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  7. CrazyGSX

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    boostin has tranny parts that other don't have and TMZ has a c diff that good for 1000hp
     
  8. CrazyGSX

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    I guess I need to buy a 8000$ tranny but all I see is missing parts in ther parts listed websites tmz should update there lists
     
  9. rabenne

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    Go automatic... That is your best bet to keep it all together. Or lower your power goals? Am I reading this correctly? DSM/CRX? You will probably come in under 2200 lbs... 800 hp will be damn difficult to use effectively. What do you plan to use the car for? I am excited to see it, sounds BA.
     

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  10. CrazyGSX

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    yes you read it correct, I'm building a DSM powered Honda CRX for fun and it will be tube subframes and suspension custom made. JRZ 6000$ Coil Overs and bunch other mods. I'm also going to by a GSX so people do think I'm ass for the CRX thing and i love DSM AND Honda. i also miss having a GSX.


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  11. CrazyGSX

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    i asked boston if they build trannys and they told me that they get them built out of house so i asked for a quote for PPG AWD Tranny. i should of asked for a clutch price too, but i didn't. i want a quarter master 8 lug triple plate from a EVO 8-9 for the input shaft of tranny em i correct?
     
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    You need to machine the bell-housing due to the larger diameter 23 spline input shaft, which means you need a EVO 23 spline clutch disc/DSM flywheel and PP to use the PPG dogbox. Also if you decide to go with the PPG, probably you wouldn't want to use a single disc clutch, stock output shaft, DSM 3-4 shift rail and stock DSM 1-2 shift fork (The PPG gear set includes a billet 3-4 fork only).
    So if you are planning to upgrade the parts mentioned above and an upgraded center diff and a front LSD, you should expect about $10,000+ in total.
    Before I decided to go with auto swap but I still wanted to shift, so changed my mind and went with the PPG dogbox. I like it. If you break a built transmission with OEM parts and build another one would cost more or less as much as a PPG dogbox.
     

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  13. CrazyGSX

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    I'm going with TMZ Stage 6 transmission and boostin Stage 4 Transfer Case and 3KGT Rear End with KAAZ REAR Diff.

    I'm building the 6Bolt engine myself sines I'm a engine builder. LOL.
    next I'm the box I'm going to build a car with 6Bolt billet AWD and see how much power i can make
     
  14. twicks69

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    Have I been in contact with you?? I dont recall having a conversation regarding a CRX 4g63 awd swap customer.

    Thanks,

    TMZ performance
     

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  15. CrazyGSX

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    no but i had have got the price from your website and i called you ones or twice, but know body picked up the phone. no answer by phone. i have a 91 CRX, 99 GSX and 2000 em1

    all getting 6Bolt 4G63T AWD powertrain and they are all going to be around 800-1000AWHP.
    so can i get some deals since i em going to buy a lot of the same parts that a transmission cost
    $12245.00 USD built to race spec. and 1800$ clutch's and can you rebuild 3kgt VR4 rear diff housings with
    Kaaz diff? i would be grateful if you do it for my cars. boostin performance ha good T cases that i want to
    get my hands on soon too, good setup they and magnus have now. i just waiting for some on to build a better end case output bigger 300m spline.
    i need good prices.
     
  16. twicks69

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    Well, I am a one-man-show; my voicemail says to email me directly. I don't pick up the phone regularly because I have a business to run and I can't build transmissions if I am talking on the phone all day. My email is tmzperformance@gmail.com.

    As for pricing, my prices are my prices. I can work with some stuff a little, but this is how I support my family man.

    Transmission wise, you would need to ship over a core good transmission to do the work on, then the cost of the PPG gearset, Boostin billet bearing plate, Boostin 300m output shaft, and likely a Quaife front LSD differential (or Kaaz front diff).

    Tcase wise, you would need to send a good 23-spline core transfer case to have converted to a 300m output shaft. I would recommend a Boostin billet mid housing, and ideally a Frontline Fab tcase brace with it.

    Rear diff, you will need to plug (freeze plug or a billet 0-ring plug) the power steering pump hole and then do the diff install with new bearings and seals and re-shim.

    Clutch, you won't need a triple disk. I can do all the same with a twin disk with zero issues to handle your power levels. I can do it as a Quarter Master 6-leg twin or an 8-leg twin with either street or race friction disks (likely the heavy flywheel with a higher capacity clutch cover diaphragm spring and street friction disks).

    If you want further information, price estimates, etc. Just email me in detail.

    Thanks,

    Tim Zimmer
    TMZ Performance
     

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  17. CrazyGSX

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    i email you earlier today about my needs and wants. please post and email, me back dude.
    im stoked !!!!
     
  18. CrazyGSX

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    what do people us for a 650awhp GSX these days and where can i get a few of the W5M33 and T-case, rear end ??????
     

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