the b-52 turbo from the speed factor -opinions?

[1029TSG]

I give up, I try and help everyone by answering your questions but this is ridicluous.

 

[NOSLO2PT0]

blah blah blah RS60, blah blah FP Red, blah blah blah, BR580

It took me 30 seconds to find this:

http://devnulled.com/content/2004/01/flow-and-hp-ratings-for-popular-dsm-turbos/

. Imagine that!! Someone actually took the time to SEARCH for something. Tells what wheels are in those confounded secret turbos!!! As for the BR580, that took another 30 seconds of searching.

http://www.precisionturbo.net/turbochargers-display.php?company_id=101795&category_id=3024

580 SCM-6031E 59mm 2.320" 3.000" 60 3" / 2" 360 Race .63 T31 2.559" 2.228" 76

Look!!!! All of the specs for that secret BR-580. Named by PTE for the 580 claimed HP it can make.

 

[NOSLO2PT0]

I give up, I try and help everyone by answering your questions but this is ridicluous.

How about answering the ONE question everyone has been asking since this thread began? WHAT ARE THE SPECS OF THIS TURBO???? WHAT WHEELS??? COMPRESSOR MAPS???

 

[1029TSG]

That's up to Martin at the Speed Factor, he has the exclusive on it. The B-52 is not even available from Bullseye Power.

 

[redrkt]

How about answering the ONE question everyone has been asking since this thread began? WHAT ARE THE SPECS OF THIS TURBO???? WHAT WHEELS??? COMPRESSOR MAPS???

Some info of the turbo's performance on the other applications it was tested on would be nice too.

I think i have good idea of what kind of compressor wheel is in this turbo. There aren't very many wheels that have dimensions small as an H-3 and can flow over 53lbs/min, and the ones i've found are not from companies that are very reputable. Think about it, it's not a Garrett, Turbonetics, Mitsu, or Holset, so what other company can it be that is considered reputable? That's probably the reason they won't disclose any information about it.

 

[NOSLO2PT0]

I think i have good idea of what kind of compressor wheel is in this turbo. There aren't very many wheels that have dimensions small as an H-3 and can flow over 53lbs/min, and the ones i've found are not from companies that are very reputable. Think about it, it's not a Garrett, Turbonetics, Mitsu, or Holset, so what other company can it be that is considered reputable? That's probably the reason they won't disclose any information about it.

Tell us!!! Inquiring minds want to know!!!

 

[redrkt]

Tell us!!! Inquiring minds want to know!!!

Here is what i've found. Check out this turbo.

2.07" inducer and 2.36" exducer rated at 500 hp. The company is called XS Power and it seems strange (damn near impossible) for a wheel of that size to be rated at 500hp, but a wheel from them with the B52's measurements seems like it could be rated for well over 530hp(53lbs/min).

Now, i've read that this company XS Power makes knock off products of a company called Master Power turbo's. So, the wheel used in the B52 could also be made by Master Power. I tried looking up the Master Power website for specs on their wheels, but it was difficult to decipher them because the company is in Brazil and uses a foreign language like spanish or portugues. Here are their turbo specs, it looks like one of them could be close to the B52's size.

This is about all i could find that fits the description of the B52. It could be wrong, but for those who are curious it is better than nothing at all since the vendors themselves won't give out any information. Can anyone think of any other companies that might make a compressor wheel that fits the bill?

 

[prostreetdsmx1]

rdrkt- please don't try to reference our turbo to a POS like an XS Power. I assure you, we would NEVER use a product from XS Power. It also isn't a master power product. So please do not assume things like that, i'm sure you're common sense would tell you we wouldn't do that.

Hell if we did use a XS Power wheel it would shatter at idle !

I don't understand why you two can't let it go. Every Vendor has their own little secrets. You two have honestly expressed your opinions but can you just say what ever you want to say and move on? this thread has gone down the pooper since this whole thing started.

We wouldn't put something on the market that we didn't trust and our customers seem to trust us too, so why isn't that enough? We are simply offering something, hell we offer like 24 other DSM turbos so it's not like we are limiting selection. Seriously, go to the site and count. It's alot of turbos. .

 

[redrkt]

We wouldn't put something on the market that we didn't trust and our customers seem to trust us too, so why isn't that enough? We are simply offering something, hell we offer like 24 other DSM turbos so it's not like we are limiting selection. Seriously, go to the site and count. It's alot of turbos. .

Martin, every turbo you offer on your site is a Garrett, with the exception of the B52 with the mystery wheel. Would you mind listing some turbo manufacturers that you feel are reputable, other than Garrett, Turbonetics, MHI, and Holset? How many other DSM turbo's have you (or anyone here) seen anywhere that used components from a different manufacturer other than what i've listed?

I don't understand why you two can't let it go. Every Vendor has their own little secrets. You two have honestly expressed your opinions but can you just say what ever you want to say and move on? this thread has gone down the pooper since this whole thing started.

I don't understand why you refuse to give any information at all about your own product. You can do this without revealing your secret. This thread has gone down the pooper since people started asking for information about the turbo and you failed to produce it. Even a moderator asked you for the same information. If you don't want to give any information at all about your own product, that's fine, we are left to do research of our own and discuss it. That's what this thread is here for, to discuss the B52, with or without you. Leave the moderating to the moderators.

rdrkt- please don't try to reference a our turbo to a POS like an XS Power. I assure you, we would NEVER use a product from XS Power. It also isn't a master power product. So please do not assume things like that, i'm sure you're common sense would tell you we wouldn't do that.

Hell if we did use a XS Power wheel it would shatter at idle

I said it could be XS Power or Master Power, i didn't say it was for sure. There really is no need for you to come in here just to make smart ass comments about the information in our discussion. A simple verification or denial of it is all we need if you want to give it, unless you have information of your own you'd like to contribute.

khendriksma1,

Since both vendors didn't answer my question earlier, i was wondering if you could since you've bought the turbo. Did your B52 come with the 12 or 24 month"no hassle" warranty?

 

[IPT]

Well for all you out there. I have found what compressor wheel is in the B-52. It IS a garrett wheel. All I did was take the specs found in this thread and took it to a local diesel shop and looked up the specs in their Garrett catalog. I have talked to Martin about it and I have enough respect for him as a vendor to not release this information. It is just like when the Green and Red came out and no one knew what compressor wheel they had.

If you really want to know what wheel is in the turbo. Get off your lazy butts out from infront of the computer and do some research that does not require a computer.

 

[khendriksma1]

Since both vendors didn't answer my question earlier, i was wondering if you could since you've bought the turbo. Did your B52 come with the 12 or 24 month"no hassle" warranty?

Yes, mine came with the 24-month "No-Hassle" warranty.

 

[jjbrasil]

not cool redrkt

 

[redrkt]

Yes, mine came with the 24-month "No-Hassle" warranty.

Hmmm, well when i asked 1029TSG (Dave Hall) about the warranty on the B52 seeing as it didn't consist 100% of Garrett parts, he said:

Garrett likely never has to warranty anything since 99% of turbo failure is due to contaminated oil or lack of oil pressure. Just think of all the T-25's out there that survive past the 3yr/36K warranty.

Which would lead me to believe the "no hassle" Garrett warranty not coming on the B52 isn't a big deal, because 99% of the time warranty work from Garrett isn't covered.

My next question would be, if Garrett doesn't cover the warranty for lack of or contaminated oil, who repairs the turbo's that are covered from Bullseye power from this? Bullseye themselves in their "new turbo building facility"? Hell, on 2-14-05 1029TSG said this on this board:

We dont order Garrett parts and build them by hand, we dont use a 7cm Mitsu turbine housing with a homemade clamp. These are the same Garrett units you can purchase off the shelf from any Garrett distributor, take off the useless non wastegated turbine housing and bolt on one our custom cast turbine housings.

in this post. So i guess he expects us to believe they put together and staffed this on site "turbo rebuilding facility" at Eagle alloy in 4 days?

Well for all you out there. I have found what compressor wheel is in the B-52. It IS a garrett wheel. All I did was take the specs found in this thread and took it to a local diesel shop and looked up the specs in their Garrett catalog. I have talked to Martin about it and I have enough respect for him as a vendor to not release this information. It is just like when the Green and Red came out and no one knew what compressor wheel they had.

If you really want to know what wheel is in the turbo. Get off your lazy butts out from infront of the computer and do some research that does not require a computer.

Well, if what you say is true, then Dave and Martin have been lying to anyone who reads this thread since page 2!! The most blatant lies being posts #42 & #61 by Dave(1029TSG/Bullseye) and posts #44 and #55 by Martin. No wonder Dave lost his site sponsorship status. I guess it's supposed to be OK to blatantly lie to people to protect your "top secret" turbo though, instead of just keeping your mouth shut and saying that your not going to comment on what it is at all. I've never seen any other shop actually lie and decieve people about a "top secret" turbo they were selling before. Thats definitely a different way to promote a new turbo. I don't think they would carry on a lie like that, and i'm sure Martin wouldn't apreciatte you posting information about him that would incinuate such things.

I think i believe Dave and Martin when they say it isn't a Garrett or Turbonetics wheel. I still think it is a Master Power wheel. Martin said it was a little bigger than the H-3, and if you look here at Master Power the turbo on the chart Part #802134 measures 60.5mm at the inducer, which would be 2.381", .083" bigger than the H-3(2.298). It is also called a super 70, so it could be in the 70 trim area like khendriksma1 figured when he first took his measurements. Master Power could be one of the 7 companies Dave's Master Distributer has as well. I'm not sure of Master Powers quality, but it is much cheaper priced than Garrett, and alot of their stuff looks like copies of Garrett.

But who knows, it could be anything other than Garrett or Turbonetics. It will be hard to believe any information released about the B52 at this rate.

 

[NOSLO2PT0]

Redrkt,
You gonna get suspended if you keep it up!

 

[tmizer]

It took me 30 seconds to find this:

http://devnulled.com/content/2004/01/flow-and-hp-ratings-for-popular-dsm-turbos/

. Imagine that!! Someone actually took the time to SEARCH for something. Tells what wheels are in those confounded secret turbos!!! As for the BR580, that took another 30 seconds of searching.

http://www.precisionturbo.net/turbochargers-display.php?company_id=101795&category_id=3024

580 SCM-6031E 59mm 2.320" 3.000" 60 3" / 2" 360 Race .63 T31 2.559" 2.228" 76

Look!!!! All of the specs for that secret BR-580. Named by PTE for the 580 claimed HP it can make.

, YOUR "searched" information is NOT "directly" from the VENDOR! Which is exactly what you are whining about to 1029TSG and Prostreetdsmx1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now, REDRKT, I luv ya man, even given ya positive green bars. But to play devil's advocate, by not disclosing specific wheel information, isn't TSF doing the same as Forced Performance does with their Sleeper 16g "not-going-to-tell-you-what-it-is" secret turbo ? From FP's website:

"...The Sleeper 16G represents the most powerful combination of components you can squeeze into 16G style housings. We do not disclose the list of ingredients for this voodoo gumbo..."

 

[turbotalon92]

, YOUR "searched" information is NOT "directly" from the VENDOR! Which is exactly what you are whining about to 1029TSG and Prostreetdsmx1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now, REDRKT, I luv ya man, even given ya positive green bars. But to play devil's advocate, by not disclosing specific wheel information, isn't TSF doing the same as Forced Performance does with their Sleeper 16g "not-going-to-tell-you-what-it-is" secret turbo ? From FP's website:

"...The Sleeper 16G represents the most powerful combination of components you can squeeze into 16G style housings. We do not disclose the list of ingredients for this voodoo gumbo..."

Other Companies don't tell you what is in there secret turbos and they also don't go onto BB and give false information about what wheels ARE in there. The main reason for this is that they are aware of what is in the turbo they are selling.

 

[redrkt]

Now, REDRKT, I luv ya man, even given ya positive green bars. But to play devil's advocate, by not disclosing specific wheel information, isn't TSF doing the same as Forced Performance does with their Sleeper 16g "not-going-to-tell-you-what-it-is" secret turbo ? From FP's website:

"...The Sleeper 16G represents the most powerful combination of components you can squeeze into 16G style housings. We do not disclose the list of ingredients for this voodoo gumbo..."

Thanks for the positive rep points. You can find out what any of FP's turbo's are by doing a little seaching. Fp also is professional and reputable enough not to drag a public UBB thread on for 2 pages without giving any information to support their product while possibly misleading and decieving people. They simply don't comment at all about which wheel it is, but they will give you the max flow and HP of it along with the information they have from testing. This thread isn't about FP or their products though, so lets keep it on topic with TSF/Bullseye Power and the B52 Bomber.

Who do you believe, IPT who says it is a Garrett, or Martin and Dave who say it's not Garrett or Turbonetics? Dave (1029TSG) is the one who originally said it's not even a Garrett wheel, maybe Dave felt it was necessary to lie to everyone for some reason. Maybe Martin wasn't expecting him to say that and was forced to go along with his statement afterwards. He did ask 1029TSG to not answer any more questions about the turbo after that, even though he did anyway. I wouldn't be surprised if this was the case, Martin getting caught up in Dave's lies. If that is the case, i feel sorry for Martin. I know we've had our differences, but i don't think he would knowingly try to mislead or decieve people in such a way. I'd suggest anyone looking for information on this turbo read this thread as well.

 

[L2RTSiAWD]

This thread has gotten to be a waste and ridiculous.

If you want to persue this do it on your own time don't waste board space. I'm tired of seeing the same shit over and over.