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natef420

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i was talking to some old men last night at the pool hall here in town, and they got to talking about some gas station that got robbed last week, and some old guy said "yeah and he was probobly high on pot". so i asked him why he would think that just because somebody is stoned that they would go and do something like that. it ended up being this big argument with me and them over what weed does to a person. they of course think that pot, dope, weed, and marijuana is all differant things LOL. they had to put their shit in there that "all that shit does is make you think stupid and do stupid stuff like rob stores and kill people". after about 20 minutes of hearing this crap, i asked them if they had ever heard of the huge mass murder in amsterdam back in 89, or all the rapings and robberies in jamaca last year. of course they said no, and i had to explain to them that the crime rate in the countries that its legal is next to nothing. why they asked? because everybody is too stoned to give a shit. i also told them that if it was legal here it would drop the crime rate also, and probobly drop the usage of other drugs as well. they then had to ask about all the people who have died smoking it...so i said "what people?" i never heard of one person who has died from a weed overdose LOL. i hate people who talk shit about the herbs when they have never smoked it or done their homework on it. they see those stupid ass commercials and think that its a killer. pot is safer than cigarettes for gods sake LOL.
 
If I'm not mistaken, weed is only legal in Jamaica for rastafarians due to their religious beleifs.

and if you go to the wrong side of town over there, the crime rate is pretty high.
 
Crime is insane in Jamaica, also, if you legalized pot tomorrow it would do more damage than good. It would take quite a bit of preparation before you could effectively make pot legal.
 
The REAL reason that weed is illegal in most places is cause most of teh selling would remain "under the table." What that means is it doenst get TAXED, so the goverenemnt would lose out on billions of dollers.

Just my .02
 
Originally posted by HugeBoostTSI
The REAL reason that weed is illegal in most places is cause most of teh selling would remain "under the table." What that means is it doenst get TAXED, so the goverenemnt would lose out on billions of dollers.

Just my .02

I think that's a tad bit off. Whatever money they lose to potential tax profits is just a drop in the bucket compared with what they spend on law enforcement hunting it down. That doesn't include jail cells, rehab, court-room time, etc. The government would infact save a lot of money.
 
I think the money reason is not the main reason weed is illegal. Maybe the government realized this country wouldn't very good if half the country was stoned all the time.
 
Money certainly isn't the only reason. If coffee, cigarettes, alocohol were introduced to us now, there is no way the government would allow them, they are considered drugs and would not be allowed. However, the government has been looking into how they would legalize it if it wer approved.
 
i dont see the big stink about it all. its so easy to get it if u want it, and if u want to do it, do it in the privacy of your own home. no one will know and u can do as u please. who cares if they legalize it or not, if u want to smoke, ur going to do so. i dont think it would change the crime rate anyways, its not like u hear "man steals six pounds of herb from thomas jefferson hospital this weekend" on the news, herb doesnt cause crime.
 
legalize it and make the penalties for harder drugs even worse than they are.... Amsterdam has the lowest, or close to it,ratio of drug addicts in the world.
 
Originally posted by Isotta91
i dont see the big stink about it all. its so easy to get it if u want it, and if u want to do it, do it in the privacy of your own home. no one will know and u can do as u please. who cares if they legalize it or not, if u want to smoke, ur going to do so. i dont think it would change the crime rate anyways, its not like u hear "man steals six pounds of herb from thomas jefferson hospital this weekend" on the news, herb doesnt cause crime.

I have never in my life seen a man/woman on weed get violent, or have the urge to go steal something because they are so addicted on it they HAVE to have it. I seem logic in cocaine, heroine, or other drugs of that sort being illegal but not weed. I would rather hang around a bunch of people that are stoned then hang around a bunch of people that are drunk. You don't hear on the news about fathers who get stoned and go slap their wife or kids around. I'm not in no way saying alchohol should be illegal, but it is a drug and you HAVE to be responsible when you use it. Which in our country their are alot of people who don't. I also have never heard of a person who gets cancer from weed, unlike cigs, which are legal. I don't understand why it is illegal, but it is. I think it has something to do with the money aspects of making it legal.

btw, this isn't coming from a guy who is a big pot head. infact, i have never even touched the stuff. so you can't say, "well your a big stoner, of course you want it legal."
 
If the Government legalized Marijuana, how would that affect people incarcerated for possesion/use? What would the precedent be for wrongful arrest/conviction?
 
2 of my cousins started out smoking weed and now they face jail time for meth crimes. Everyone starts out on weed. I did. The thing is, of the people I know who smoked weed with me in high school they either quit drugs all together or are currently doing way more drugs then just weed.

Crime rate low in Amsterdam and Jamaica? That is outrageous.

If someone wants to grow some weed and smoke it in their own house so be it BUT when they start hooking my next batch of little cousins on drugs thats when I believe it should be illegal.
 
Originally posted by natef420
after about 20 minutes of hearing this crap, i asked them if they had ever heard of the huge mass murder in amsterdam back in 89, or all the rapings and robberies in jamaca last year. of course they said no, and i had to explain to them that the crime rate in the countries that its legal is next to nothing.


Ummmmm............... NO.. :rolleyes:

When was the last time you visited Jamaica? Trust me Phil and I can both attest to Jamaica having big crime issuse. I don't know if their is a more corrupt police force on the face of the earth. Its nice to see you standing up for your fellow potheads but the info that portrayed to them as being fact could not have been any more wrong.. Trust me, this is coming from someone who has family living their currently and visits the islands quite frequently. I remember reading a short while back that when you look at the number of murders in Jamaica in 2003 versus the total population of the island, Jamaica ended up currently as having the third highest murder rate in the world!!

Heres an article from the Gleanor which is Jamaica's newspaper dated only 5 days ago talking about their crime problems......

http://www.jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20030501/cleisure/cleisure1.html

Heres another... http://dolphin.upenn.edu/~carib/current_ja.htm
 
Well, I am for pot legalization even though I am not a pot consumer nor am I a distributor of any kind. As for crime rates, well it is all pretty much bullshit that crime rate in a pot-legalized country is less than where the use of hersbs prohibited, there are specisifcs and I don't want to go there, but one point I'd like to highlight - if a person committed a crime under influence of grass I'd like our legal system to treat the person as a fully sane one, and bear the consequences of his/her crime as if he/she wasn't under influence of pot/whatever. I also would like to see the system that is applied in Netherlands apply here, legalize the places where you can buy/sell/use marijuana (tax profits and revenues), but restricting it outside of such places (it is illegal in Netherlands to use/sell/buy ganja outside the "hashbars").
My 0.02 cents.
 
Originally posted by EvuLFleA
2 of my cousins started out smoking weed and now they face jail time for meth crimes. Everyone starts out on weed. I did. The thing is, of the people I know who smoked weed with me in high school they either quit drugs all together or are currently doing way more drugs then just weed.

I think that some people have addictive personalities just the same as people that have personalities where they would try any drug given the chance. Weed might have started your cousins onto some other, worse drugs, but I know lots of pot-smokers who have never, and will never try any of the other drugs. Inculding myself.
 
no i have never been to either place, but it cant be any worse than it is in america. it really dont matter who has the highest crime rate or not. the fact is that pot is a gateway drug and i wont deny that. i sat in rehab for ages over a meth addiction myself and i probobly wouldnt have got on that shit if i had never smoked weed. but im almost 23 now, and STILL would rather smoke a fat blunt than drink beer anyday. as long as a person knows how to keep a straight head while being stoned, they can still function fine. ive smoked the shit for over 8 years now, and my opinions on it havent changed and probobly never will. god knows it will never be compleatly legal here due to our government, but that dont stop me from smoking it daily. i dont know about other places, but around here the cops dont even give a damn about it anymore. they want the meth labs. not the kid walking around with an 8th in his pocket.
 
I had a horrible childhood and a hard time getting to where I am because of drugs in my family. I've been right in the middle and have seen first hand what drugs can do. I'm extreamly proud of myself for NEVER touching drugs, including pot. No child needs to be around parents that are stoned. You can't say it wont happen either. So your kids at a friends house for the night, they get sick, you have to pick them up and your STONED! That's nothing compared to what I've seen but instead of going along and being like the rest of my family, I want to be better than that and to me better means not touching drugs.
 
I recently visited both Amsterdam and Jamaica, when I say recently Jamaica was 2 weeks ago for the weekend and Amsterdam was a month ago for a week! I will say that Jamaica has Krazy amounts of crime the resort we stayed at warned us not to leave the property and if we did it was at our own risk! Amsterdam was different though....... their biggest problem is Pickpocketing, and why? well beacause tourist like ouselves go over there, and look and act stoned ... they prey on that! Although Amsterdam has very light laws on marijuana and prostitution their laws on the HARD drugs are very stiff! Yes you can buy up to 5grams of herbs and carry it with you as well as smoking paraphenelia, if you were to visit Amsterdam you would notice that they frown upon tourist smoking in public, BUT everywhere you go people are smoking! It's all about respecting there laws when your there! I was in the Red Light district at around 2am and lit up right on the street, and even had a few locals join me! NOT A PROBLEM! but I would not dare during the day even though it was happening all around! Jamaica is a diffenrent story........ you can not purchase herbs legally, unless your RASTA! so if your taking the chance of buying it from a street dealer your taking the chance on getting mugged(stabbed .. shot .. beat)and becoming just another victim! Believe me....... if the states decided to legalize herbs it would be a devastating blow to our economy, every farmer out there would start growing........ for one reason! MONEY $$$$$......... if and hopefully when they do, expect it to be alot more than buying it BLACKMARKET, you think our government would sell a Quarter bag of the finest Herbs you've seen for 25dollars HELL NOOOOOO!!!!!
 
think what crack is made from... and heroin... and cocaine... all natural products but man has put them together. Weed is weed from nature
 
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