Ram air kit seller

[madcheba]

thanks to all that answered my original ram air question. just was searching ebay and actually found a person who sells ram air kits for all eclipses 95 and up (turbo & non-turbo) and what it "claims" to do for your car. you can leave your input if u like. thanks

heres the link:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1874066202

 

[boostineklipz]

Besides taking your headlight out on the turbo models, how would you make a ram air kit for a eclipse. Dont waste your money. Thats my opinion.

 

[X|Crescens]

I'd like to see a pic of it first.

 

[-=TWITCH=-]

you already have RAM AIR its called a TURBOCHARGER!!!!!

dont waste your money

 

[Turboniam]

There is such a thing as a "ram air" mod on these cars and on almost every car out there... it is called a hood scoop and I have one.

Fully functional, although I can tell you I did have to use a couple of tools powered by an air compressor to cut away some of the area on the car to get open it up as much as possible.

I'd post a pic, but my buddy with the camera just left town

I have a buddy who sells the particular scoop I bought, which was perfect for a 1g... it could work for a 2g, but I don't know anyone that has installed it on one??

EDIT: To make it clear, the scoop was easy to install, it was the other work to make the mod as worth while as possible that required the most time.

 

[Enigma_Man]

First off, Twitch. The turbocharger does pressurize the air, like a ram air, but helping the air get to the turbocharger IS beneficial. Putting a "Ram Air" thingamabob onto a turbo car is good for two reasons: 1 - Cool air. 2 - Turbo doesn't have to work so hard trying to suck air. It will help.

Secondly though, Yes, don't waste your money on that Ebay deal anyway. The guy is selling 4 feet of dryer hose, and some band clamps for 50 dollars...

Madcheba, I'd look to modifying your car in other ways first, you wouldn't notice a difference with a cold air intake yet anyway.

-Jesse

 

[rubbersidedown]

Originally posted by Enigma_Man
First off, Twitch. The turbocharger does pressurize the air, like a ram air, but helping the air get to the turbocharger IS beneficial. Putting a "Ram Air" thingamabob onto a turbo car is good for two reasons: 1 - Cool air. 2 - Turbo doesn't have to work so hard trying to suck air. It will help.

Secondly though, Yes, don't waste your money on that Ebay deal anyway. The guy is selling 4 feet of dryer hose, and some band clamps for 50 dollars...

Madcheba, I'd look to modifying your car in other ways first, you wouldn't notice a difference with a cold air intake yet anyway.

-Jesse

Technically the turbo charger isn't actually doing on "work" and it will only spin as fast as the exhuast makes it... but you definitely don't want to deprive your turbo of air. But by no means does having a ram air "thing" on your car make the turbo work any less hard. So all it really is, is a cold air intake.

 

[Enigma_Man]

The turbo is too doing work. Put a crappy filter on your car, and see how well it does
Anything you can do to make the car be able to get the air in easier is good.

-Jesse

 

[BoostinAWD]

I'd like to see this hood scoop.

 

[rubbersidedown]

Originally posted by Enigma_Man
The turbo is too doing work. Put a crappy filter on your car, and see how well it does
Anything you can do to make the car be able to get the air in easier is good.

-Jesse

I'm not sure i follow... are you trying to be funny? Cause i don't think you understood me if you're not...

 

[Enigma_Man]

Originally posted by rubbersidedown


I'm not sure i follow... are you trying to be funny? Cause i don't think you understood me if you're not...

It was a halfhearted attempt at humor, I do understand you completely though. With a ram air system, you still will see benefits even if you have a turbo. Imagine that you're going incredibly fast, and your ram air setup alone is creating 10 psi in the intake (theoretical, for explanation only, please continue reading). Your boost control is set to 15 psi, and you're coasting. You step on the throttle and BAM, almost instantly it can reach 15 psi, because the turbo only has to add an additional 5 psi onto what's already there, the turbo has less work to do to accomplish the same pressure, the wastegate can open up, so the exhaust is freer and the turbo works less and spins slower. Get what I'm saying? A Ram-Air setup would just make things slightly easier for the turbo to accomplish.

Ram air on a turbo car is still effective, anything you can do to make the car able to get more air faster is going to be an improvement.

But, for people with mostly stock cars, there are much easier, and cheaper ways to get more power out of these engines, that's why I wasn't reccomending it to do.

What I was saying about the crappy filter thing was just my way of trying to demonstrate anti-ram air... like the opposite effects...

-Jesse

 

[Turboniam]

Originally posted by BoostinAWD
I'd like to see this hood scoop.

I'll try to remember to get photo in the next few days... the next week is going to be hectic, so if you don't see a reply... email me to remind me and I'll get you a photo.

I had been looking of this scoop for LITERALLY years!! I was looking for something like this way back when I had my 2g, but didn't run across it until a few months ago

 

[rubbersidedown]

Originally posted by Enigma_Man


It was a halfhearted attempt at humor, I do understand you completely though. With a ram air system, you still will see benefits even if you have a turbo. Imagine that you're going incredibly fast, and your ram air setup alone is creating 10 psi in the intake (theoretical, for explanation only, please continue reading). Your boost control is set to 15 psi, and you're coasting. You step on the throttle and BAM, almost instantly it can reach 15 psi, because the turbo only has to add an additional 5 psi onto what's already there, the turbo has less work to do to accomplish the same pressure, the wastegate can open up, so the exhaust is freer and the turbo works less and spins slower. Get what I'm saying? A Ram-Air setup would just make things slightly easier for the turbo to accomplish.

Ram air on a turbo car is still effective, anything you can do to make the car able to get more air faster is going to be an improvement.

But, for people with mostly stock cars, there are much easier, and cheaper ways to get more power out of these engines, that's why I wasn't reccomending it to do.

What I was saying about the crappy filter thing was just my way of trying to demonstrate anti-ram air... like the opposite effects...

-Jesse

exactly... if you're goig "encredibly fast". So 99% of people won't see any gain whatsoever... if they do its only because its acting as more of a cold air intake. Besides if you're already going that fast then you'll most likely be already up to your boost level to begin w/. An interesting conversation though.

 

[Enigma_Man]

Okay, so we're agreed then There is a benefit, but it's so small as to be unnoticeable, hehe.

-Jesse

 

[insane147]

when the turbo suks in air, their is a pressure drop in front of the compressor. usually compressor maps take into account for this drop. any way you can shove more air to your turbo, it makes it work easier by not having to spin faster to pack more air, as their is more air in front of it because of ram air. ram air usually shows its strength at about 80- 100mph and above. but before that you will see a good increase in performance from the cold air, as the ecu allows more initial timing with every degree cooler air.

 

[el aguila]

Wouldn't a cold air intake on a turbo car be a waste as the air will be compressed and heated by the turbo and then cooled in the intercooler?

 

[rubbersidedown]

the idea of a cold air intake is to help keep the compressor from heating the air so much. Once again though... a ram air does not keep a turbo from spinning so fast. It always spins the same speed as it takes to build the set boost. Once it reaches that then the only way to keep it from spinning faster is for the waste gate to open. The compressor wheel is connected to the exhaust wheel via a straight shaft and will spin as fast as the exhaust pushes it.

 

[Hal]

Ram air... bah... cold air... now that's worth the effort.

Here is a link to mine:

http://206.124.12.138//codsm/1/dsm/coldair.jpg

 

[Enigma_Man]

Rubbersidedown, I know it wouldn't be much slower, but the turbo _would_ spin slightly slower with a ram air effect. It's splitting hairs, but I'm picky.

-Jesse