putting the turbo on backwards

[TT_NS]

Would it be possible to put a turbo on backwards on a 1G eclipse? what would i half to do to be able to do that? It would be a PTE 56 Trim. im planning on bringing a pipe up from A supercharger where the A/C is normaly at to the Turbo and id rather the compressor inlet be on the right side then the left so its easier to get to.

 

[Slippi84]

Would it be possible to put a turbo on backwards on a 1G eclipse? what would i half to do to be able to do that? It would be a PTE 56 Trim. im planning on bringing a pipe up from A supercharger where the A/C is normaly at to the Turbo and id rather the compressor inlet be on the right side then the left so its easier to get to.

Just so I get this right your trying to supercharge a turbo eclipse. I think your trying to reinvent the wheel my friiend but to answer your ? you would have to figure out where the intake would go as there isn't much room on that side. The downpipe wouldn't hook up right without custom work or parts. Longer feed lines would be needed if your feeding off the head. Other than that and trying not to blow the engine up with two power adders it should be pretty easy to just flip the turbo.

 

[TT_NS]

well here is the form i was talken about my idea http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=225737 If your interested you can read that. I would use the braided line for the oil so basicly i would just half to get a custom downpipe. who makes custom downpipes?

 

[GVR4592]

If you can't make your own downpipe, then how are you going to do the rest of the fabrication?

 

[TT_NS]

If you can't make your own downpipe, then how are you going to do the rest of the fabrication?

i was just curiouse. my brother works at a shop where they fab metal. hes goen to help me out with the aluminum piping. Id like to just get a figure on the downpipe. I dont know how long i will have those tools avalable to me.

 

[Slippi84]

Yeah if your not a custom fabricator or know someone close that is then this is a lost cause. Icould see if you were good at makin stuff and just wanted to do it cause you could but if you have to pay someone else to do it then it's not worth it. If your doing it to make big power boost alone with a descent tubro will get you plenty fast.

 

[TT_NS]

yea deffenetly it may be way to expenseive. me and my bro will defenetly get it done though.

 

[Dream On]

I'm not trying to knock you, but why? These cars can make big power with just a single turbo, it's been done time and again. I like that you're trying to do something different, but I just can't understand it.

 

[jaredgsx]

There was a vidoeo not too long ago on wrx forum where a guy had twin gt35r's and how he helped spool them was a supercharger. dont know how it worked but it did...the thing was for the amount of money he put into it he could have had the exact same amount of horsepower out of a more traditional setup.

 

[IceDragon]

If I had the money to do all this... I sure wouldn't be driving a naturally aspirated Laser... haha

 

[GVR4592]

I'm not trying to knock you, but why? These cars can make big power with just a single turbo, it's been done time and again. I like that you're trying to do something different, but I just can't understand it.

He want's a wide powerband. What he doesn't understand is that filling the cylinders with pressurized air at low VE isn't going to make a big difference in power.

 

[TT_NS]

He want's a wide powerband. What he doesn't understand is that filling the cylinders with pressurized air at low VE isn't going to make a big difference in power.

actualy the problem is that filling the engine with compressed air with 272 272 cams wont make as much power cuzz its out of the bower band. im hopping to get boost at 3000 RPM's because with the turbo im planning on using dosent make boost till 4000 RPM's so i get an extra 1000rpms of power. plus if you look at the setup off the other form the supercharger will help spool up the turbo

 

[WatchItExplode]

I love how this thread is turning into the same thing as the other thread. I think you might as well have asked this question in that one.

By the way, I'm sure somebody has posted the twincharged evo in your thread? You could learn a lot from that dude if you're serious about this.

 

[GVR4592]

actualy the problem is that filling the engine with compressed air with 272 272 cams wont make as much power cuzz its out of the bower band. im hopping to get boost at 3000 RPM's because with the turbo im planning on using dosent make boost till 4000 RPM's so i get an extra 1000rpms of power. plus if you look at the setup off the other form the supercharger will help spool up the turbo

How much power are you looking to make?

 

[TT_NS]

I love how this thread is turning into the same thing as the other thread. I think you might as well have asked this question in that one.

By the way, I'm sure somebody has posted the twincharged evo in your thread? You could learn a lot from that dude if you're serious about this.

thats a good point. I only started this thread because people are to lazy to read threw the other to finaly make another post . but we should stay on topic. I did see the EVO thread but im sure he wont share any information. I also saw the twin charged STI but i know he ant going to say any thing either but i think he had a shop do it. but im not for sure.

Id like to make 600 HP But you enver know how much your going to end up with. My other car my goal was 500 never found out how much it was going to make though (stolen)

You know what i cant wait for. Is when i pop the hood and some one goes and looks at it and they have no idea what the hell is going on under there. that is what would make my day but im not going to count my chickens befor they hatch.

 

[gridlyne]

i was just curiouse. my brother works at a shop where they fab metal. hes goen to help me out with the aluminum piping. Id like to just get a figure on the downpipe. I dont know how long i will have those tools avalable to me.

You dont need an aluminum down pipe. Its too expensive and I dont know how well aluminum will hold up to that kind of heat.

 

[1fast97gsx]

You dont need an aluminum down pipe. Its too expensive and I dont know how well aluminum will hold up to that kind of heat.

Stainless steel would be a better choice ... aluminum is fine for intercooler pipes.

 

[staticbrainwash]

Waste of money IMO. I know you want a wide powerband, but for the money you'd spend to "flip" a turbo and add a SC for spool you could easily get a nice tubular header, External WG and 3" exhaust and make REAL nice power.

Why do you want this for real? Something different? If so, thats just silly. If not and you want a wide powerband, just do a little searching and research on turbos that will make a nice powerband.

Honestly, twincharging a DSM just seems stupid when they can make 400whp with just a evo16g. Maybe i just don't get it, but it just seems stupid.

 

[TT_NS]

i wasn't going to make the down pipe from aluminum. my bad i should of worded my self better. i was just talking about aluminum intercooler piping and why would i want to just put an evo 16g on the car? that would be a waist of time and be boring since there are so many people with that. The point is to do something know one else has done to see if it gets results. The only way to find out is to truly so it. And it will definitely be a good experience, but this thread isn't about that any way it was just about the one question i asked. And tell the guy running the twin charged EVO that his idea is stupid and see what type of response you will get. In order to be successful you must take risks in life. Thanks for your comments guys. (better Staticbrainwash)

 

[staticbrainwash]

I don't care if it worked on an EVO. We're talking a DSM, be cost effective here. If you've got the money to spend , then be my guest. Go ahead and do this. Let me know how well it works, but i would never try it. It's a waste to me when a turbo can make all the power i want by itself.

No i never said you were going to put an evo316g on your car, it was just an example, der. My point was, you can make good power in a decent powerband without getting stupid and wasting money twincharging.

Next time you post, PLEASE PLEASE use proper spelling and punctuation. It's killing me to read your babble and get anything out of it. If you havn't been warned by a mod yet, you should be.

 

[GVR4592]

I read that whole thread with the compound charged Evo, it looks like he gave up and went with a GT42R and nitrous.

 

[TT_NS]

realy? I guess I should go read it. Maybe tomorrow its getting late

 

[robertd440]

TT_NS couple of things for you:

first any good exhaust shop can make you a custom downpipe only restriction will be space once you flip the turbo, there will be a limitation on how the downpipe will be able to be routed;

second I will not knock you for wanting to go turbo-supercharged i have seen it a few times and all of them have exellent powerbands but nowadays there are new options if you want that powerband and because of the space restriction on the dsm i would sugest going with one of them.

what kind of racing will you be doing- drag or road racing?

If you are drag racing or some other style of sprint race use NOS to increase your powerband (using a rpm switch you can have it activated only at WOT durring specific RPM say 3000-4000?).

If you are road racing were NOS is not an option go with a variable vane turbo. These are becoming more widely avalible although they are still quite expensive but then again is turbo and supercharging your dsm . If you are not familiar with them here is a quite break down. The vanes in a VV turbo will move based on engine load and rpm (there are other factors but these are the main ones) at low rpm this movement in the vanes will make the turbine section act smaller than it really is increasing spool-up times and at high rpm the opposite will happen allowing huge boost to acompany that quick spool-up. This tech also eliminates the need for a wastegate as the vane movement is also what is used to limit max boost. hope this is helpful

 

[GVR4592]

TT_NS couple of things for you:

first any good exhaust shop can make you a custom downpipe only restriction will be space once you flip the turbo, there will be a limitation on how the downpipe will be able to be routed;

second I will not knock you for wanting to go turbo-supercharged i have seen it a few times and all of them have exellent powerbands but nowadays there are new options if you want that powerband and because of the space restriction on the dsm i would sugest going with one of them.

what kind of racing will you be doing- drag or road racing?

If you are drag racing or some other style of sprint race use NOS to increase your powerband (using a rpm switch you can have it activated only at WOT durring specific RPM say 3000-4000?).

If you are road racing were NOS is not an option go with a variable vane turbo. These are becoming more widely avalible although they are still quite expensive but then again is turbo and supercharging your dsm . If you are not familiar with them here is a quite break down. The vanes in a VV turbo will move based on engine load and rpm (there are other factors but these are the main ones) at low rpm this movement in the vanes will make the turbine section act smaller than it really is increasing spool-up times and at high rpm the opposite will happen allowing huge boost to acompany that quick spool-up. This tech also eliminates the need for a wastegate as the vane movement is also what is used to limit max boost. hope this is helpful

Where do you get a vnt turbo?

 

[staticbrainwash]

Search google? Do some research?

http://www.honeywell.com/sites/ts/tt/turbofactsbenifits_VNTworks.htm

Was the first google result.