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Possible brake booster issue - URGENT !! LOST ALL BRAKING FUNCTION

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Dec 1, 2011
Aurora, ON, Canada
Hi there!
So two days ago I went out driving my 95 AWD tsi Talon and drove a pretty nasty road with sudden drops/bumps in the road that come out of nowhere and I had to get on my breaks pretty hard once or twice, something I always avoid doing. This is just background in case it helps.
Yesterday morning I drove to work and the car's brakes were acting weird, just mushy really, but I wasn't sure what it could be because it passed a safety less than a month ago and my pads were good, so I just thought maybe they wore fast or I needed something to be adjusted.
Last night on break I went home to grab something and on the way back had lost almost all braking power, only had some at low speeds, and regained a little by pumping the brakes but still not close to normal, increasingly mushy. By the time I drove home after work, I lost pretty much all braking power except at very low speeds or to hold the car in place once stopped.
Side note: ever since I brought my car back from the safety place, when I drive it, there is some fluid accumulation on the top of my engine - no change in performance of the car, only noticed when I lifted the hood. I wasn't sure what the fluid was or where it was coming from but from the research I've done it appears it could be brake fluid (only from the look of it). They also removed the top of my engine to clean it and they painted it, so I was going into the shop this week to have them look at it as I thought maybe something happened upon reinstallation, but the fluid never went away even when mopped up, it kept reappearing so on Monday I was going to go get the problem checked out anyways. (This fluid COULD be unrelated but I'm including it anyways).
I tried the brake booster test where you pump the brake when the car is off, and it's supposed to get rock solid then release the pressure when you turn the car on... results: pumping the pedal led to an increase in the pressure, but not to the point where it was a struggle to press it, and never got rock solid (including today... still the same). I also heard air coming from the brake pedal area.
My confusion stems from the threads I read that indicated that brake booster vacuum problems lead to a very hard brake pedal when driving etc, whereas mine is very very soft and does little towards stopping my car (thank you downshifting LOL)... so is there another brake booster issue that this could be? I read somewhere a little blurb about some sort of pressure relief system (actuator arm?) within the brake booster that could be stuck open... how do I check this, and how do I fix it if it's the problem.
Also, my ebrake light went on when the ebrake was off on the way back to work on break... I read up on this so I know the causes and fixes, but the two situations are obviously related so I'm including that part anyways too.
I plan on doing a brake bleed this afternoon too, because maybe I just need to run the lines if there is lots of air, but I just have a feeling it's in the booster because it failed the pressure build up check I mentionned above... but I read this in a post, maybe I was misled.
Perhaps it's a check valve issue too... how would I determine what my problem is? Or master cylinder issue? I haven't found any leaks but I wasn't very thorough last night because I got home late and spent a lot of time looking for similar threads.
Also if the fluid on my engine is brake fluid obviously there's a leak somewhere but my reservoir is still full. I got brake fluid last night and went to add a little but it was already full...
Thanks for any help, can't drive the car in this condition but it's my only way to and from work and the situation deteriorated so quickly I'm a little worried I won't be able to fix it on time to use.

Add: When they did the safety, they also changed all the fluids for me... tranny, oil, and brake.
 
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I completely blew out my brake booster by not using a vacuum line with a check valve. I only found out by doing a boost leak test and hearing air shooting out from under my dash.

Although I didn't really lose any braking power.... Weird.
 
hard to tell, but there are a few things I will point out for you to do:

1- have a buddy/friend/stranger pump the brake pedal for you while you are looking at the engine bay/brake system for any leaks or hissing resulting in a leak.

2-inspect the brake booster hose, sometimes they appear normal but on the back they might have a slit long ways of the hose causing a leak and reduced braking performance.

3- check the rubber hoses of your brake system for swolness, a hard braking may swole the rubber and rob you from actuating the calipers specially in old and deteriorates hoses.

*just filling the brake reservoir doesnt get rid of the air in the lines, there may be an air gap in your brake system so bad that you are just compressing air instead of pushing fluid to actuate the calipers hence no brakes.

** to add to the problem you may have very old brake fluid. manufacturer specs is to replace/flush yearly. they absorb humidity like no other chemical, it does it so good that it will absorb humidity even through the sealed brake lines over time, that's why its so crucial to change every year.
So humidity is water, water boils, then its gas and gas compresses(again, creating a gap in your brake system)

so there are a few things you definitely need to do rather than just a quick fix to get back on the road it you don't want this to happen again.
 
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