New Best: FP 3575 + AEM magic

[1_vicious_gsx]

To GRNDSM, sorry about the highjacking.

 

[red91gst]

Wrong. :thumbdown

DSMLink is the ECU. There is nothing external about it. It's all in the ECU, just like the AEM EMS unit.

Do you actually own or have ever used DSMlink? It is a modified stock ecu. It still works off the same fuel and timing curves, your just modifing a stock curve. Granted, DSMlink is an amazing tuning tool and has some features that a stand-alone does, but it is NOT a stand-alone. It still relys on the stock ecu and still retains the stock maps.

Nate
SBR

 

[1_vicious_gsx]

Do you actually own or have ever used DSMlink? It is a modified stock ecu. It still works off the same fuel and timing curves, your just modifing a stock curve. Granted, DSMlink is an amazing tuning tool and has some features that a stand-alone does, but it is NOT a stand-alone. It still relys on the stock ecu and still retains the stock maps.

Nate
SBR

Yes I do own it, and yes I do use it.

My answer to his statement was that DSMLink is not a piggy-back. I never said it was a full blown stand-alone.

So I guess since DSMLink has the basic maps in it that allow anybody's car to idle or cruise around town that's a bad thing? WOT fuel tables, injector size, timing, etc are what anybody is tuning on an ECU, wether it's EMS or DSMLink.

 

[red91gst]

Yes I do own it, and yes I do use it.

My answer to his statement was that DSMLink is not a piggy-back. I never said it was a full blown stand-alone.

So I guess since DSMLink has the basic maps in it that allow anybody's car to idle or cruise around town that's a bad thing? WOT fuel tables, injector size, timing, etc are what anybody is tuning on an ECU, wether it's EMS or DSMLink.

Then what is a piggy-back? Is it not a unit that modifies the stock ecu/signal to allow for adjustment of the fuel/timing curve?

Nate
SBR

Do we really need to argue over what it is?

 

[1_vicious_gsx]

Then what is a piggy-back? Is it not a unit that modifies the stock ecu/signal to allow for adjustment of the fuel/timing curve?

Nate
SBR

Do we really need to argue over what it is?

A piggy back unit fools the ECU into doing something other that what it would do normally. AN OUTSIDE SOURCE for adjustments.

DSMLink is the ECU and does what YOU tell it to do. Just like EMS.

 

[GRNDSM]

You guys are both wrong, it is neither… DSM Link is an ECU modification. Similar to what TMO did in the old days, but only much more advanced. And that was referred to as just: “TMO ECU”

You can still use Piggyback system with it (not that you would want to).

If anything, I would think of it more as a “standalone” ECU, which uses OEM hardware.

But, I do not believe that there is an official definition of what it is, so this is a useless argument.

 

[1_vicious_gsx]

If anything, I would think of it more as a “standalone” ECU, which uses OEM hardware.

Exactly.

 

[red91gst]

You guys are both wrong, it is neither… DSM Link is an ECU modification. Similar to what TMO did in the old days, but only much more advanced. And that was referred to as just: “TMO ECU”

You can still use Piggyback system with it (not that you would want to).

If anything, I would think of it more as a “standalone” ECU, which uses OEM hardware.

But, I do not believe that there is an official definition of what it is, so this is a useless argument.

It has an identity crisis, it is kind of old. Maybe a midlife crisis?

Nate
SBR

Just tune it to 40psi Leon!

 

[espinelli]

I don't think DSMLink is a piggyback system nor do I think it should be considered a standalone.

It's a very unique product which obviously has many advantages over your typical piggyback system and not nearly as much flexibilty of a true standalone system. IMO I would say its somewhere in the middle. I think its a great product because you get the best of both worlds being that its simple yet not too complex. I guess when comes down to choosing a product it would all come down to on how much control you want to have.

Basically, here's how I see it.

Piggyback = some control
DSMLink = moderate control
StandAlone = full control

 

[IAMCLP1]

GrnDsm

Putting the power down like you do I am sure you have broken a “few” transmissions. (As we ALL have) What is the current setup you are running? Along with the daily driver aspect of it? A lot of people running the ems say that it does not make that great of a daily driver, and to stick with the dsmlink until you are ready to make it a full out “race” race… your thoughts?

 

[GRNDSM]

>Putting the power down like you do I am sure you have broken a “few” >transmissions. (As we ALL have)

Believe it or not, I have broken more trannys running low 12’s and mid 11’s than I have broken running low 11’s and 10’s! But I have learned a LOT in those years!

My current tranny was installed in October 2002 and it now has well over 60-80 10.3-11.3 sec passes on it since then.

>What is the current setup you are running?

Fairly basic Shep tranny w/4 spider gear center diff AND my own VCE (which I remove for daily driving, AutoX and oval racing).

There are two basic things that you can do to keep your tranny in one piece:

1. Avoid wheel hop by ALL means! This means: use good tires (and that does NOT include Nitto DRs…), reduce the vehicle weight, stiffen-up your control arms and engine mounts and lastly USE YOUR HEAD! Do not take any unnecessary passes in poor traction conditions! You are not going to set a personal best anyway, so why risk $1500 tranny rebuild?

2. Avoid missed gearshifts. In those 60-80 passes or so, I missed less than 5 gear shifts. Some of it comes with experience, but a proper set-up is also very important. I use MSD NLTS connected to my upper clutch switch, so the instance that I even touch my clutch pedal, my engine stops making power. This was one of the most important things that I have done to help my shifting.

>A lot of people running the ems say that it does not make that great of a daily
>driver, and to stick with the dsmlink until you are ready to make it a full out “race”
>race… your thoughts?

The only problem with EMS is that it takes extra 2-3 sec of cranking to start the car. But that is something that most people can live with. Still, I would say that DSM Link is the most appropriate tuning tool for 95% of people out there. Most people are simply not going to use the extra features that AEM has over DSM Link, so why pay more and get a more complicated, less emission testing friendly EMS?

Leon

 

[evil_eagle]

I run the AEM EMS and love it, daily driven, shit I drive almost 900 miles a week on my car and yet still go out and run 11.1 @130mph. with only 25lbs of boost. Plus with my o2 feed back on I can get up to 26mpg

SO who ever says an EMS is not streetable, there full of it, I have 2 maps, one for pump gas daily driven, and one for race gas for the tracks. Just upload maps and wam there you go, takes like 1 min of my time to switch maps.

Also I can run up to 20lbs of boost on 91 pump gas, I could run more but why? the damn thing just blows all 4 tires off the ground anyway .

GRNDSM I totally agree with you on the tranny deal, some how I have made my stock one survive through 2 seasons (knock on wood). Allthough it would be nice to have a tranny that shifts at 9000 rpm.

GRNDSM are you using a boost comp map? or just the base maps? I too am running fp3065, how do you like the fp3575?

Our mods are very similiar, it would be interesting how your map compares to mine, hit me up on a email or PM, I will email you my map.

congrats on the 10 sec pass man

-Jake