Lets beat up the fmic questions again.

[nightspeed87]

I plan on getting a fmic soon to compliment my setup and had a few directions in to were to look for a fairly cheap one. Now realistically I know im going to spend at least 500 for a full short route fmic kit but I dont want to spend more than 600 and if I do it just means im going to have to take extra long to get one. Now price wise this is the best bar + plate short route kit ive seen so far that appears to have everything I need and be stress free...

http://www.punishment-racing.com/1gstreetcoreintercoolerkit.html

The debate im having with that one is the size of the core isnt exactly big enough for what Im after... Im into the huge race core type stuff because I only want to do this once and never wonder if my choice was enough if I go bigger than the e316g down the line without having question about cooling or flow.

Thats why I started looking at this ETS kit

http://www.extremeturbosystems.com/...e-10.5-Race-Intercooler-Kit/product_info.html

But appears theyd have similar cooling properties just appears the ets kit is taller and the punishment racing kit is longer but im getting a lot of good feedback on the Ets, yet spending 800+ is a lot. I dont want to seem too decisive about this considering I just want a core than can cool 23 psi tops on a e316g which a lot can do, but its a lot to spend so want to make sure im doing it right the first time and its not like I shopped for a fmic before, nor want to base my decision off of someone elses thread.
Any help with my decision, or any other good kits i havent seen yet. ?

P.s. ( Ive looked at slowboys/ and dejonpowerhouse.com kit which is pretty decent but expensive also and Im skeptical about ebay fmics .)

 

[2gAWDTalon]

23 psi on a Evo3... either of those kits will do fine. Punishments is the cheaper of the two. You have under a 400whp goalm I would go with Punishments Kit. It is the kit put togather by a member here named LaN, it is a good kit and if you do a search you will find alot of happy reviews.

 

[95blackGsTurbo]

If you really want to save some money me and some friend have been messing around down here with out crappy 91 octane and on a stock DSM sidemount with hardpipes and a 70/30 meth/water mix we can run 28lbs. on a PTE SCM5031 with zero knock and 13* average less intake temps. I would highly recommend a meth. inj. kit from EngineRunUp. They are around 300 and come with everything you need to get going.

 

[nightspeed87]

If you really want to save some money me and some friend have been messing around down here with out crappy 91 octane and on a stock DSM sidemount with hardpipes and a 70/30 meth/water mix we can run 28lbs. on a PTE SCM5031 with zero knock and 13* average less intake temps. I would highly recommend a meth. inj. kit from EngineRunUp. They are around 300 and come with everything you need to get going.

Thats interesting, but later down the line I wil start to play around with meth inj.
I want the fmic for the look too not just the flow. ( Thats the one thing im not very sleeper about .)

23 psi on a Evo3... either of those kits will do fine. Punishments is the cheaper of the two. You have under a 400whp goalm I would go with Punishments Kit. It is the kit put togather by a member here named LaN, it is a good kit and if you do a search you will find alot of happy reviews.

Yea i suppose your right. I guess if I ever exceed 400whp then ill look into buying a bigger core, I just didnt want to spend twice as I mentioned as I have no idea as to how far this cars going, thats why I over sized my injectors (850s) and bout a act26 instead of 21. Stuff like that. But times are hard so I may just end up getting the punishmentracingkit for 500 and I can get that a whole lot quicker.
Im not very good with intercooler sizing, but how big exactly is that
on the page it said 34x8x3.5 intercooler
and then underneath it said 26x8x3.5? ( Im guessing the smaller numbers are for the actual bar and plate part of the intercooler. )
Those sizes look long but not tall, and maybe 3 and a half inches thick, is what I can tell.

Anyone running this punishment racing kit, or any help on some better kits for around the same price before I commit to one?

 

[chicagoavenger]

Why not get the ssac and fit it like some others have on there 1g? 295 vs 450 for the same thing no?

 

[Pat D]

23 psi on a Evo3... either of those kits will do fine. Punishments is the cheaper of the two. You have under a 400whp goalm I would go with Punishments Kit. It is the kit put togather by a member here named LaN, it is a good kit and if you do a search you will find alot of happy reviews.

I have this kit (LaNs) and its a great kit with Awesome customer service.

 

[nightspeed87]

Why not get the ssac and fit it like some others have on there 1g? 295 vs 450 for the same thing no?

Send me a link of what your talking about because I looked in ssac and didnt find a good short route kit for this price for a 1g.

I have this kit (LaNs) and its a great kit with Awesome customer service.

Thats good to know, how has it been performing, any heatsoak ever, what type of boost does it see on what turbo.
Pat i looked in your profile pics but your current pics didnt enable me to see a fmic.
Was curious how it looked ( size wise ) in that front bumper. I know the eclipse bumper is rather restrictive to air flow
and is boring looking, I was considering switching to the 1g Talon front bumper, looks more aggressive and with a nice big fmic in there with proper cutting comes out pretty clean with nice air flow.

Also does the punishmentracing kit come with the aftermarket j-pipe and tb elbow?

 

[LaN-]

The core that i'm selling will laugh at the evo 3. My buddy ran his evo 3 to 25 PSI and ran a 12.2 on the kit, no heat soak issues. I'll be pushing my Green close to 30 psi this summer and i don't see any issues.

I've sold to some guys running 60 trims and they push 25+ psi with no issue.

You've got to remember the IC is 700 cubic inches. (its freaken huge) You'll have to have a HUGE turbo to heatsoak the IC.

And realistically if you have a big enough turbo to heatsoak/outflow the IC you won't be on pump gas anyway.

 

[LaN-]

Its cheaper and it works (i'll admit to that), but go ahead and deal with the long route piping, no TB elbow, wrong bov flange........etc....

One day i'll have a 9-10 inch drag core, but not for awhile.

 

[nightspeed87]

The core that i'm selling will laugh at the evo 3. My buddy ran his evo 3 to 25 PSI and ran a 12.2 on the kit, no heat soak issues. I'll be pushing my Green close to 30 psi this summer and i don't see any issues.

I've sold to some guys running 60 trims and they push 25+ psi with no issue.

You've got to remember the IC is 700 cubic inches. (its freaken huge) You'll have to have a HUGE turbo to heatsoak the IC.

And realistically if you have a big enough turbo to heatsoak/outflow the IC you won't be on pump gas anyway.

Thats pretty much what I needed to know.
And yea your right about what you said abotu the ssac fmic,
besides im very content with going short route anyways, I dont know if short route will provide any appreciatable spooling differences over the long route set up, but im very sure it will be a lot less of a head ache. So appears I will go with this set up unless someone can find something that tops it for the price but I dont see that being likely since all the other kits Ive viewed worthy costed 2 to 300 more.

 

[2gAWDTalon]

Why not get the ssac and fit it like some others have on there 1g? 295 vs 450 for the same thing no?

Also, those SSautochrome cores .

Its cheaper and it works (i'll admit to that), but go ahead and deal with the long route piping, no TB elbow, wrong bov flange........etc....

One day i'll have a 9-10 inch drag core, but not for awhile.

It was recommended to 'fit it' to his 1G if you would have read it closer...
You can see how here:
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showpost.php?p=50406481&postcount=1369

Also, those SSautochrome cores .

Now what is that supposed to mean? Dont get me wrong, if you scroll up (2nd post) I recommended your kit (from punishment to be within the rules) and praised your kit and service. But dont try and down the other kit. I have personally made 550 awhp on this kit (the SSAC kit). With back to back (6+) pulls (500+awhp pulls all the way through 2nd, all the way through 3rd and a touch into 4th, 9000rpm shift point) it does not heat soak. It take a SC6152 T3 .82 hotside and 34-35 psi and laughs at it.

 

[LaN-]

It was recommended to 'fit it' to his 1G if you would have read it closer...
You can see how here:
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showpost.php?p=50406481&postcount=1369


Now what is that supposed to mean? Dont get me wrong, if you scroll up (2nd post) I recommended your kit (from punishment to be within the rules) and praised your kit and service. But dont try and down the other kit. I have personally made 550 awhp on this kit (the SSAC kit). With back to back (6+) pulls (500+awhp pulls all the way through 2nd, all the way through 3rd and a touch into 4th, 9000rpm shift point) it does not heat soak. It take a SC6152 T3 .82 hotside and 34-35 psi and laughs at it.

I thought he was talking about the 1g kit they make. I just cant get over how much piping there is. I know there IC's can hold up to the power, sorry if i can off like a jackass. (i edited my post, to clear up any confusion)

 

[Pat D]

Thats good to know, how has it been performing, any heatsoak ever, what type of boost does it see on what turbo.
Pat i looked in your profile pics but your current pics didnt enable me to see a fmic.
Was curious how it looked ( size wise ) in that front bumper. I know the eclipse bumper is rather restrictive to air flow
and is boring looking, I was considering switching to the 1g Talon front bumper, looks more aggressive and with a nice big fmic in there with proper cutting comes out pretty clean with nice air flow.

Also does the punishmentracing kit come with the aftermarket j-pipe and tb elbow?

I have not tracked it yet Im just waiting for my ECU chip. Performance wise I get no heat soak now and great top end. Im running the stock 14B with 16lbs so far until my chip. Im sure other people with LaNs kit are running much higher with no problem! I have got alot of comlements on how sweet it looks while still keeping my fogs.
HMMMMMMMMM eclipse boring I DONT THINK SOOOO
Yes it came with the TB elbow and J-pipe. The kit is COMPLETE
He made a sweet kit for a GREAT price and his customer service is second to none

 

[LaN-]

Thanks man, i know how much of a pain it is to deal with people when purchasing new parts (sometimes) so i try to make everyone happy.

As stated the kit does come with the J pipe and throttle body elbow. You get everything you need to swap the parts onto your car.

nightspeed87, sorry i didn't get you pictures yesterday i ended up having to work later then i thought, i'll try and snap some today.

 

[chicagoavenger]

Yup check out that link that was posted above on how to fit the 2g on your 1g. I have seen both kits and they both look great. Two of the ssac kits are here in Albuquerque on a 2.4 trapping 120+ here and the other is on a 2.3 and they have not had any issues and we are talking GT series turbo/FP. Also the long route vs short route had been discussed and ther really is no difference in pressure drop and what not.(do a quick search for detailed info) Most people do it for looks and if your on dsmtalk there is supposebly a kit like Lan's for 250 shipped but no pics have been added so who knows when that one will be around or if it's bs. Either way you can't go wrong if you want straight fit then Lan's is the way to go. If you want to do some fabbing and save 200 bucks get the ssac 2g kit and fit it on your 1g.

 

[Pat D]

Yup check out that link that was posted above on how to fit the 2g on your 1g. I have seen both kits and they both look great. Two of the ssac kits are here in Albuquerque on a 2.4 trapping 120+ here and the other is on a 2.3 and they have not had any issues and we are talking GT series turbo/FP. Also the long route vs short route had been discussed and ther really is no difference in pressure drop and what not.(do a quick search for detailed info) Most people do it for looks and if your on dsmtalk there is supposebly a kit like Lan's for 250 shipped but no pics have been added so who knows when that one will be around or if it's bs. Either way you can't go wrong if you want straight fit then Lan's is the way to go. If you want to do some fabbing and save 200 bucks get the ssac 2g kit and fit it on your 1g.

I looked at the SSAC kit and its a great kit for the price BUT you couldnt give me the long route kit. Sorry me personally Id pay more for the short route and I wanted to keep my fogs. The SSAC kit your cant....

 

[chicagoavenger]

^ get differnt fogs either way you can't go wrong with either one.

 

[Pat D]

^ get differnt fogs either way you can't go wrong with either one.

YUP but gotta go stocker baby!!

 

[nightspeed87]

YUP but gotta go stocker baby!!

It looks like you pushed your fog lights over a little bit though, I dont recall mines
sitting that close to the outside of the bumper, did you have to move it some to fit the fmic between them? I didnt plan to retain the fog lights though so I guess it doesnt matter.
Also were you able to keep your crash beam? I kind of want to take it out because of the weight, because for a while I was focusing on making this thing light as possible
but not sure because it wouldnt be too safe in a frontal crash even though i know most cars with fmic dont have em. Maybe il fab up a custom smaller crash beam like my friend did.
And to add, the 1gb eclipse bumper is ok , but personally i always thought the 1g talon bumper was more aggressive, like the styling of it looks meaner and gives a cleaner look with a short route fmic car.

 

[LaN-]

If you get rid of your crash beam you have to get a cheaper aluminum one because you won't have anything to mount the bumper to. Normally people just cut a notch in there crash beam to fit the IC, but you could get rid of it if you would like. Hitting someone wouldn't be the smartest idea LoL.

 

[Pat D]

It looks like you pushed your fog lights over a little bit though, I dont recall mines
sitting that close to the outside of the bumper, did you have to move it some to fit the fmic between them? I didnt plan to retain the fog lights though so I guess it doesnt matter.
Also were you able to keep your crash beam? I kind of want to take it out because of the weight, because for a while I was focusing on making this thing light as possible
but not sure because it wouldnt be too safe in a frontal crash even though i know most cars with fmic dont have em. Maybe il fab up a custom smaller crash beam like my friend did.
And to add, the 1gb eclipse bumper is ok , but personally i always thought the 1g talon bumper was more aggressive, like the styling of it looks meaner and gives a cleaner look with a short route fmic car.

Yes I had to bend the fog lamp brackets over to the outside so the FMIC would fit. They were closer to the inside stock. Better to bend the stock fogs then to go smaller after market ones JMHO.. I kept my crash beam intact.

I was just messing about the Eclipse and talon front ends. Me personally I felt the talon over all look better but I would never change front ends. I like leaving everything stock looking as possible.

Either way you go on FMIC just do it, Its Sooooo worth it!

 

[nightspeed87]

Thanks for the help.!
Ill probably just cut the crash beam up ( Maybe a little weight savings in that too.)
If anyone else has this kit feel free to post pics.!

 

[ETS Tom]

If you don't ever plan on going past EVO III 16G power (but most of us eventually do upgrade later) our street kit will be perfect for your cooling needs - http://www.extremeturbosystems.com/...se-7-Street-Intercooler-Kit/product_info.html Pricing for that kit gets you much closer to the ballpark you're aiming for and will fill the whole bumper opening with core for the look you want

You'll definitely get what you pay for with our kit and I'll give you a few reasons why: The ETS kit uses 100% vacuum brazed bar and plate core that is our own design. The internal fins are offset and staggered for the maximum efficiency without sacrificing ultra-high flow. While louvered fins do offer high efficiency, their presence in a pressurized environment, such as the inside of an intercooler, creates turbulence which hinders flow. For that reason the external fins are louvered for superior heat dissipation where turbulence is a positive thing. You get awesome cooling and high flow to the radiator to keep coolant temperatures down. We have been building our kit for many years and for that reason have perfected the piping and intercooler design for the shortest possible routing, cleanest installation and fitment that is second to none. Piping clears ABS, cruise control, stock fogs and fits perfectly on ALL models, not just some.

You may also notice that much of the text on the site with the less expensive kit is directly copied from one of our descriptions - http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1g-D...013QQitemZ230124324844QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW While this is a nice compliment, it's not good business.

We have a full fabrication facility and are happy to share pictures with everyone on the homepage of our website - http://www.extremeturbosystems.com/i3//information.html. We build everything from concept to prototype to production here in house in Washington State, USA. Here is a thread that offers some detail as to the process that goes into building another of our intercoolers - http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthread.php?t=267088.

Extreme Turbo Systems is our full-time job and we take the quality of our products, their performance and customer service very seriously. We are here every weekday from 8AM-5PM to answer any and all tech questions and offer the best experience you've had in aftermarket performance. We're always here and happy to help so don't hesitate to call, PM or E-mail any question you may have. Thanks to the DSM community for your continued support!

Tom
Extreme Turbo Systems
360-263-3748

 

[LaN-]

Here are pictures of my installed

http://www.dsmtuners.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=73772&catid=member&imageuser=30988

Perfectly fills the bumper like a set of braces .

I've sold over 50 kits now with no problems. Punishment racing has even started to resell them.

They have seen 14b's to 60 trim turbos.

No offense to ETS, but the kit will preform the same for a good 200+ dollars cheaper. I'll warrenty all the products and make sure your install goes as smoothly as possible. (don't want to get in any vendor wars .)

I'll admit ETS has been around longer and they know there stuff. Go with w/e kit you want they will all work.

 

[nightspeed87]

If you don't ever plan on going past EVO III 16G power (but most of us eventually do upgrade later) our street kit will be perfect for your cooling needs - http://www.extremeturbosystems.com/...se-7-Street-Intercooler-Kit/product_info.html Pricing for that kit gets you much closer to the ballpark you're aiming for and will fill the whole bumper opening with core for the look you want

You'll definitely get what you pay for with our kit and I'll give you a few reasons why: The ETS kit uses 100% vacuum brazed bar and plate core that is our own design. The internal fins are offset and staggered for the maximum efficiency without sacrificing ultra-high flow. While louvered fins do offer high efficiency, their presence in a pressurized environment, such as the inside of an intercooler, creates turbulence which hinders flow. For that reason the external fins are louvered for superior heat dissipation where turbulence is a positive thing. You get awesome cooling and high flow to the radiator to keep coolant temperatures down. We have been building our kit for many years and for that reason have perfected the piping and intercooler design for the shortest possible routing, cleanest installation and fitment that is second to none. Piping clears ABS, cruise control, stock fogs and fits perfectly on ALL models, not just some.

You may also notice that much of the text on the site with the less expensive kit is directly copied from one of our descriptions - http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1g-D...013QQitemZ230124324844QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW While this is a nice compliment, it's not good business.

We have a full fabrication facility and are happy to share pictures with everyone on the homepage of our website - http://www.extremeturbosystems.com/i3//information.html. We build everything from concept to prototype to production here in house in Washington State, USA. Here is a thread that offers some detail as to the process that goes into building another of our intercoolers - http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthread.php?t=267088.

Extreme Turbo Systems is our full-time job and we take the quality of our products, their performance and customer service very seriously. We are here every weekday from 8AM-5PM to answer any and all tech questions and offer the best experience you've had in aftermarket performance. We're always here and happy to help so don't hesitate to call, PM or E-mail any question you may have. Thanks to the DSM community for your continued support!

Tom
Extreme Turbo Systems
360-263-3748

Thanks for all the info and concern and taking the time to address that.
I actually was looking at your kit first and was reffered buy many of your buyers to get your kit and of how well your kit does and if I had the money id get your race package but in my situation im going to have to go with the cheapest thing I can find that has the qualities that I am looking for thats why I was going to get Lans kit.
Both kits looks like they have excellent quality though.