2G ikeya formula sequential shifter?

[MidShipCivic]

Is one of the three you know named Craig Spiker? If not make it 4 . Sorry i'm OT, but since getting my first price quote of 27k from ikeya several years back, i always have to click these threads and see if anyone either has the tranny or if anyone has succesfully converted a stock style tranny to shift sequentially and get rid of the "H" patterns woes.

A few years back all their shifters were all in the the range of 1500.

 

[radgsx]

These devices are precisely made for the throws for an evo of other gens you're going to spend $1300 to find out? Well don't.

SQS racing still produces the evo 1-3 shifter

It's $1500 euro that's almost 2 thousand.

Straight from Petr Cimburek of SQS racing.

Did you actually talk to Petr? I was trying to contact SQS many times via e-mail , but they never got back to me. I did received a name of a person in Temecula, CA from Mike at RRE, but that person was asking about $2900 for that shifter about a year ago.

 

[wishihadatalon]

Is one of the three you know named Craig Spiker? If not make it 4 . Sorry i'm OT, but since getting my first price quote of 27k from ikeya several years back, i always have to click these threads and see if anyone either has the tranny or if anyone has succesfully converted a stock style tranny to shift sequentially and get rid of the "H" patterns woes.

There is a guy from Canada that has used a setup like this on his 2g dsm. I saw it at the shootout and it was pretty cool to see what it did. If I remember correctly he had a magnus dog box gear set and didn't use the clutch.

 

[turboglenn]

A few years back all their shifters were all in the the range of 1500.

I'm trying to find the name and number of the place (well, i looked earlier) that gave me the quote.. It was not for a shifter, it was for a fully sequential tranny.... Basically a bellhousing to adapt their box to it...needed custom CV's made (by them if you wanted) and you had to make your own custom trans mount members and chassis side mounts. The total for trans and CV's was 27k (and shipping).. It was a number i found in an import mag once and said, lets just call and see what it would cost. They took about a day to get back to me and said "about 17 thousand dollars" I felt like i swallowed a burrito whole

i never said I was going to try a ikeya shifter first, I said I was going to buy a stock evo shifter.

I'm sure I can find a stock evo 8 shifter to mess with, and if i cant get it to work, then oh well. ill look other places..

I"m a little ignorant on this shifter you're talking about from the evo8 ... Was it sequential shift on a standard H pattern trans? If so did you need the clutch? That would be sweet to take my drag bike parts and do a fully automated push button manual trans shift setup.. I've got coil kill boxes, shift minders to make it auto shift and kill the coils at any desired RPM..that would be Soooo Sweet!!!!!!!!

 

[turbo addict]

ya Spiker was one of them. up at scribner. anyway, road race had 2 that I know of, that worked in an eclipse. I will let you know how it works next spring.

 

[MidShipCivic]

Did you actually talk to Petr? I was trying to contact SQS many times via e-mail , but they never got back to me. I did received a name of a person in Temecula, CA from Mike at RRE, but that person was asking about $2900 for that shifter about a year ago.

Yes.

I'm trying to find the name and number of the place (well, i looked earlier) that gave me the quote.. It was not for a shifter, it was for a fully sequential tranny.... Basically a bellhousing to adapt their box to it...needed custom CV's made (by them if you wanted) and you had to make your own custom trans mount members and chassis side mounts. The total for trans and CV's was 27k (and shipping).. It was a number i found in an import mag once and said, lets just call and see what it would cost. They took about a day to get back to me and said "about 17 thousand dollars" I felt like i swallowed a burrito whole

That how much they go for compare it to Quaife they are in the 20's as well.

 

[mavisky]

One of my friends from Indianapolis actually has the Ikeya Formula sequential shifter on his Greddy turbo'ed 350z. I think he said he ended up paying around $12-1500 for it.

 

[Slippi84]

I think I'll just get a short shifter and rig up a gate and call it a day I"m not that bad at shifting to warrant that kinda money.

 

[turboglenn]

A gate would be sweet as hell too. Once when i was working on a ferrari 308 GTB i had the interior apart and tried driving it from the mechanical shop to the body shop door around the block... Well i took it a few extra blocks and man o man, those things will miss gears all day without the gate in place for some reason. It's like it needs it as a guide for some reason. I thought it was mainly for an added "don't miss the shift" protection or just for looks but the car actually depends on it *)

 

[MidShipCivic]

I think I'll just get a short shifter and rig up a gate and call it a day I"m not that bad at shifting to warrant that kinda money.

This isn't your type of thread then there is a consistency difference on what your speaking about here. More over, you can't beat the speed with conventional means.

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[Slippi84]

Cool videos but I disagree. If anything I am in need of something like this more than you but I just don't see the practicality of spending 1500 on a shifter no matter how much more reliable it makes the shifts. This thread all together is misleading as a sequential setup is more in the trans than the shifter

 

[MidShipCivic]

Cool videos but I disagree. If anything I am in need of something like this more than you but I just don't see the practicality of spending 1500 on a shifter no matter how much more reliable it makes the shifts. This thread all together is misleading as a sequential setup is more in the trans than the shifter

The thread isn't misleading its called '' sequential shifter''.


A Transmission should be tailored to someones needs and YOU don't see the practicality of it but it's effective regardless of what you thought, so your point is for impractical is invalid. It's all done for under 10k unlike 20k purpose built ones.

 

[1992awdlaser]

The only advantage I see is no missed shifts. I can shift just as fast as anybody in thse videos with my "convential" shifter. And not being able to shift down multiple gears is a disadvantage in my eyes when autocrossing/road racing.

 

[housegsx]

The only advantage I see is no missed shifts. I can shift just as fast as anybody in thse videos with my "convential" shifter. And not being able to shift down multiple gears is a disadvantage in my eyes when autocrossing/road racing.

They're still using a conventional manual transmission in those videos so they are using the clutch pedal. I think a lot of people here want to see this shifter mated to a dog box. That's where I see the advantage coming into play.

 

[1992awdlaser]

They're still using a conventional manual transmission in those videos so they are using the clutch pedal. I think a lot of people here want to see this shifter mated to a dog box. That's where I see the advantage coming into play.

Exactly. I'm talking about the shifter by itself.

 

[Slippi84]

Exactly. I'm talking about the shifter by itself.

Exactly. I don't know wht misdhipcivic is speaking to me like i'm a newb and don't understand the thread or maybe he thinks I can't read. I'm fully aware that the title says sequential SHIFTER which is why it's missleading because a shifter a lone does not make your setup sequetial it just makes it not a H pattern setup. For sequential think something like paddle shiffting f1 cars that's sequential. Again I'm not saying I don't see the use hell I would buy one if they were reasonable but it's the price that makes them impracticle not the part it'sef. I can justify saying even $500 for a setup that you rig up using different cables and shifter that elimnate the H patter to eliminate miss shifts like 3-2 and 4-3 but not for $1500. Like it has been said you can shift just as fast with a convential when it's not true sequential. I am running a dogbox and in my car as well just for refference.

 

[Zmann42087]

Its been done before. Road///Race Engineering installed a sequential shifter in a 2g back in the day. An engineer designed a couple prototypes just for RRE. I remember one of their shop cars was featured in Sport Compact Car and they had pictures of the sequential gearbox. It looked like a pretty sweet setup. I'll try to find that issue when I get a chance so I can post up some pics.

 

[MidShipCivic]

The only advantage I see is no missed shifts. I can shift just as fast as anybody in thse videos with my "convential" shifter. And not being able to shift down multiple gears is a disadvantage in my eyes when autocrossing/road racing.

Where did you come to the conclusion you could shift as fast?

Re evaluate that because could you : 1st diagonal to 2nd, 3rd to 4th going forwards and backwards each time the same motion in the same time duration? You are relying on a spring that you can over come and still ruin your shift to move your lever for you. Moreover, you can shift down multiple gears you hold your foot in and go in what ever gear you require by clicking down to it. The gear shifter can have a digital indicator to aid you.

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Exactly. I don't know wht misdhipcivic is speaking to me like i'm a newb and don't understand the thread or maybe he thinks I can't read. I'm fully aware that the title says sequential SHIFTER which is why it's missleading because a shifter a lone does not make your setup sequetial it just makes it not a H pattern setup. For sequential think something like paddle shiffting f1 cars that's sequential. Again I'm not saying I don't see the use hell I would buy one if they were reasonable but it's the price that makes them impracticle not the part it'sef. I can justify saying even $500 for a setup that you rig up using different cables and shifter that elimnate the H patter to eliminate miss shifts like 3-2 and 4-3 but not for $1500. Like it has been said you can shift just as fast with a convential when it's not true sequential. I am running a dogbox and in my car as well just for refference.

You're misleading your self to just believe a term that exist on race cars with have SEQUENTIAL transmissions which a similar mechanism sequents it's shifts consecutively with solenoids. Do you know there are some cars with a mechanism on the just the shifter part with such a solenoid that auto is programed and/or switched* ( steering wheel mounted ) to shift? SQS shifter has the capability of doing this.


Please try and understand.

Sequent: characterized by continuous succession; consecutive.


If you can rig up a system to do the same $500 then by all means let see it outperform.

 

[mavisky]

sequential shifter - to shift sequentially through the gears. It says nothing about clutchless shifting but there is the inability to change gears in anything but a sequential order. Motorcycles have sequential shifters but still require the use of the clutch.

BTW you can still miss gears with the Ikeya Formula shifter.

 

[1992awdlaser]

Where did you come to the conclusion you could shift as fast?

Re evaluate that because could you : 1st diagonal to 2nd, 3rd to 4th going forwards and backwards each time the same motion in the same time duration? You are relying on a spring that you can over come and still ruin your shift to move your lever for you. Moreover, you can shift down multiple gears you hold your foot in and go in what ever gear you require by clicking down to it. The gear shifter can have a digital indicator to aid you.

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I came to the conclusion with all the racing I have done.

I can confidently say that I can shift AS FAST with an H pattern as anybdy in those videos were shifting. You might not be able to, but not everybody shifts the same. Shifting down like that would be SLOWER than shifting down with an H pattern from say fourth to second.

That's another thing. You know all the time what gear you are in with an H pattern. Who wants to take there eyes off the course or important gauges if they forget what gear they are in?

 

[Slippi84]

Where did you come to the conclusion you could shift as fast?

Re evaluate that because could you : 1st diagonal to 2nd, 3rd to 4th going forwards and backwards each time the same motion in the same time duration? You are relying on a spring that you can over come and still ruin your shift to move your lever for you. Moreover, you can shift down multiple gears you hold your foot in and go in what ever gear you require by clicking down to it. The gear shifter can have a digital indicator to aid you.

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You're misleading your self to just believe a term that exist on race cars with have SEQUENTIAL transmissions which a similar mechanism sequents it's shifts consecutively with solenoids. Do you know there are some cars with a mechanism on the just the shifter part with such a solenoid that auto is programed and/or switched* ( steering wheel mounted ) to shift? SQS shifter has the capability of doing this.


Please try and understand.

Sequent: characterized by continuous succession; consecutive.


If you can rig up a system to do the same $500 then by all means let see it outperform.

Just like 92awdlaser said this is not that great of a mod no matter how you look at it. This is a idiot mod. If you make a idiot mistake and miss a gear or shift wrong this would take care of that. I understand what sequential means thank you AGAIN for break down but AGAIN I fully understand how it works why it works and what it's benefits are.

One like it has been said a million times again and again you STILL need to use the clutch that's why you can still just as fast with a H patter shifter as long as you half way know how to drive. Especialy if you have a short shifter you have almost a identical shifting procedure 2 out of the 3 shifts you do realise that don't you. Think about it like this:

1-2 shift
Sequential: press in clutch pull back on the shifter release clutch pedal
H pattern: press in clutch pull back on shifter release clutch hmmmmmmmm

2-3:
Sequential: same as 1-2
H pattern: press in clutch push up and right into 3rd release clutch pedal

3-4
Sequential: same as 1-2
H patter: same as 1-2

SO pretty much the only shift you can say is faster is the 2-3rd and that's only if you suck at shifting.

How bout this you go do your $1500 mod to your stock car from the looks of your profile and you let me know how that works out for ya

 

[MidShipCivic]

sequential shifter - to shift sequentially through the gears. It says nothing about clutchless shifting but there is the inability to change gears in anything but a sequential order. Motorcycles have sequential shifters but still require the use of the clutch.

BTW you can still miss gears with the Ikeya Formula shifter.

Did I state the opposite to your statement? No.

I must be speaking in a different type of vernacular.

You can't miss a gear in the prone fashion as H pattern.

1-2 (prone to going back into 1st)
2-3 ( prone going back into 2nd)

It's a simplified quicker movement and it's more consistent.

Clutchless vehicles, have actuated clutches, auto blip throttles and shift ignition cut .

That's another thing. You know all the time what gear you are in with an H pattern. Who wants to take there eyes off the course or important gauges if they forget what gear they are in?

You're saying you'd lose the idea of how fast your going and what gear you're in? It's like you don't watch racing or better yet WRC ? It become self conscious.


A first time experience is understandable.

Just like 92awdlaser said this is not that great of a mod no matter how you look at it. This is a idiot mod. If you make a idiot mistake and miss a gear or shift wrong this would take care of that. I understand what sequential means thank you AGAIN for break down but AGAIN I fully understand how it works why it works and what it's benefits are.

One like it has been said a million times again and again you STILL need to use the clutch that's why you can still just as fast with a H patter shifter as long as you half way know how to drive. Especialy if you have a short shifter you have almost a identical shifting procedure 2 out of the 3 shifts you do realise that don't you. Think about it like this:
How bout this you go do your $1500 mod to your stock car from the looks of your profile and you let me know how that works out for ya

Your explanation is inadequate there is more effort and more focused hand motion and effort. It is eliminated with a different shifter. Simply put you can't be as consistent.

If you claim you can be as fast and as consistent by all means post up a datalog with both scenarios other wise you have no leg to stand on. You're just complaining about the price.

Idiot's miss gears ? Even F1 drivers miss gears I guess you're better then?

So you felt threatened by my knowledge on the shifter and decided you thought you should take a stab at my vehicles profile?

The D27A isn't my only vehicle.


Nissan 4500cc DOHC V8 with GTR 4wd transmission.
I also have two swapped Honda's, but this doesn't matter what so ever.

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[bastarddsm]

What is the red thing...pm me about it, it looks neat as ####.

 

[Slippi84]

I think you still are debating the consistancy of this kind of mod without any proof and then acting like the rest of us who use a H pattern every day obviously couldn't possibly be right when you have never seen any of us shift. If this mod were so great why isn't shep using one. He obviously doesn't have to worry about how much the mod cost he has just about the best of everything. No matter how much you hype up this mod it has only two benfits. It is more consistant and is suposedly faster( like I stated before I don't agree with the 1-2 and 3-4 being faster but I will give it 2-3) that's it. This mod will take .01 seconds off your quater mile time if you sucked at driving before. Unless you have a gutted race car with fully built setup that you bracket race with and it's some bad ass trailor queen no matter what you say or how intimidating you THINK you knowledge is this mod isn't and will never be practical for this platform. Saying this thread isn't for me because I'm interested in the idea of one for a dsm but not for $1500 is thread nazi of you and seeing how your mor of a lurker than someone who actualy contributes to this site I don't even see how YOU have a leg to stand on.


Edit: By the way my current project is a fully gutted track/street car car with aluminum rod stroker HX52(think gt42r) 10 point roll cage fuel cell chuette ect. but as you said this doesn't matter what so ever ; )

 

[interex]

I didn't read over this whole thread, but I figured it was a good place to ask... I know on the Intrepid, and Concord and 300m they used the "AutoStick" which would just act like a manual valve body when you pulled the shifter all the way down, and then you would "slap" it left/right for up/down shifting.

Has there been a mod for this with the DSM Automatics?