If you ever raced a prelude please read

[4g63tc]

actually matt 4 gen preludes have 3 models.
1. S uses the same motor as an accord f22 hp is right at 165
2. Si non v-tec uses an H23a (more bottom end torque) Hp=180
3. Si v-tec uses an H22a hp=195

now 5 gen ludes are different but only sightly

only two models
1. standard prelude H22a = 195hp
2. SH model (sport handling) better suspension jdm h22a = 220hp.


oh yeah why not? honda odessy ex V6 = 240hp Go figure? same as in acura 3.2TL type s

 

[MattnGsx]

Well at the top of my head, and not working on Hondas like I do my Eclipse, I was pretty close. It was all jargan anyways that I remebered of car club members(ALL HONDAS, EXCEPT ME) talking about. Though i do recall now that SH, is the only one that has the sports handlng package, with wieght tranfer distribution to the back, makes drifting easy in a front wheel drive car Though i would prefer just the all wheel steering model, for some reason they stop making them after the 4th gens? Most of been to expenseive to fix. Any ways STOCK vs STOCK (4g63-turbo vs h22) the eclipse FWD, or AWD will win hands down, i have proving this over and over, unless you don't know how to drive! Also, isn't the 3.2 also in the NSX? Big plus CHICKS LIKE ECLIPSES MORE THAN A HONDA!

-Matt

 

[LifeRollsOn]

Yeah I definately get wayyy more girls than that kid In the prelude would ever get but then again I think he's a #@%#@%#@% he sure acts like it and I mean.. he does drivea honda any think it's a racecar..

 

[blaster1812]

it was a 96 was fast

 

[RedLineShifter]

My friend has a '94 Prelude.. same hp.. i beat him down by 2 cars lengths on most occassions.

 

[TalonSpeed]

Originally posted by 4g63tc
actually matt 4 gen preludes have 3 models.
1. S uses the same motor as an accord f22 hp is right at 165
2. Si non v-tec uses an H23a (more bottom end torque) Hp=180
3. Si v-tec uses an H22a hp=195

now 5 gen ludes are different but only sightly

only two models
1. standard prelude H22a = 195hp
2. SH model (sport handling) better suspension jdm h22a = 220hp.


oh yeah why not? honda odessy ex V6 = 240hp Go figure? same as in acura 3.2TL type s

All wrong!
92-96 Preludes with 3 engines
Base Engine was the F23 SOHC 130-5hp
Si H23 160hp
Vtec H22a 190hp

The 97-02 Preludes come with one engine
H22a Horse power varies with model year and trim (195-205hp)
The SH model is actually slower than the base due to weight. SH add a electronic limited slip device.

Out of all the Preludes, the 1993 Vtec prelude is the fastest due to less weight of the 97-02 model and that fact that Honda put in a slightly hotter cam in the 1993 model. Kinda like the 91 Nissan 240sx (KA24DE) is the fastest of the 240s due to a hotter cam, which isn't even shown in Factory Service Manuals. Car manufactures due this because all the car mag reviews will center around the first year model.

Bad things about preludes is that they dont respond to mods well because Honda extracted so much power out of I\H\E already and they are high compression motors, so turbo = knock.

But they are fast. A littly modded 2gnt should be able to take the non-vtec models.

 

[nine5raptor]

the electronic lsd on the sh models was a device that could give up to 15% more of the torque to the outer wheel during a turn, allowing it to be oversteered easier. I don't know where you guys got the weight distribution thing from

 

[98RedGs]

And that's why you always PM me and want to soak up my knowledge like a sponge.

Well someones gotta try to learn something on here!
Might as well be from you...

Right?

 

[eclipsed95]

It wasn't a true race, but I've got a story. Coming back from a show in Carlisle this past summer, my buddy spotted a red car flying up to us on I81. They got beside us and it was two chicks in a late 90's SI Prelude. She took off and I of course couldn't let that happen. I dropped to fourth and caught up. We got to about 100 before I started to pull big on her. I'd let off, she'd catch up, and I'd get on it again. We went on like this for a few miles before I let off and she went by. All that I knew for sure was that she had a big a$$ exhaust that was completely visible from behind. A stock NT car might not have a shot at any mid or newer 90's SI. But what the hell, try it anyway. Good luck.

 

[docta doom]

i raced an accord that whored a 94 non-vtec lude, and i won by like a car and a little. all i have is an intake and a weird muffler.

 

[vertGST]

i raced a 5th gen lude sh he had CAI headers plugs and wires and NO EXHAUST

I had my 230 lb uncle in the passenger seat. he had me by a little. is that right? i am bone stock

Brendon

 

[98RedGs]

Thats about right yes.
Good try tho!

*thinks* actually ditch the uncle and you prolly woulda beat him but maybe only by like... 1 fender legnth?

 

[vertGST]

:laugh:

 

[98RedGs]

What was actually funny in that post (ponders)?

 

[vertGST]

i am just thinking about my uncle saying dam you could have taken that guy

Brendon

 

[Bohica]

My buddy has a 97 Prelude VETEC that he just uses it as a commuter, so there are no mods to it or anything. But it is a peppy little car. I would imagine that it would run high to mid 15's. But he is not interested in racing, so he has never run it on the 1/4.

It is a sharp car though. It has all carbon fiber inserts throughout. In the door panels, and in the dash, etc. It's pretty nice for what it is.

I have given it a quick once over just checking it out, and I would imagine that it would respond pretty well to the aftermarket. And I am sure there are a lot of parts for it. It seems that every aftermarket company is stuck on Honda.

 

[92tsiawd84]

Preludes aren't that fast.....especially non v-tec's. My friend has a 95 prelude si and he is scared to race me (I have a tsi awd though). I have ridden with him several times. They cannot launch at all. All he does is spin the tires.

 

[Bohica]

Sounds like driver error more than anything.

One of the things I have found with low displacement FWD cars, is that the majority of them (the ones I have had the privelege to drive anyway) don't really have a problem with spinning the tires.

They don't really have the torque to spin the tires. These little engines make impressive power for their size. But the way they do that, is by building the engine to rev much higher.

So most of their power comes later in the tach. So launching can be kind of tricky.

I think it is a good and a bad thing. You have to launch on a knife edge. The bad thing is that these cars are low in torque, so they need to rev up before they really shine. Even the turbos are this way because they are required to spool up before they make boost. But the good side is that if you do it right, you can really shave alot of time.

Most of my experience is with higher displacement RWD cars. And with those cars it is harder to gain even a 10th here and there. But what I found is that when I drive my Eclipse, Driver ability can have a HUGE effect. My car is totally stock, but my first run with it was somehting like 16.8 or 16.9. I ran it 4 times that night, and my best time was 16.2. That is a huge difference.

The reason there is so much difference is because if you can learn to launch just right, that speed compounds throughout the rest of the race.

For instance, a cold air intake really comes into effect once the car is up to speed. So it will really only have the second half of the track (or about 6 seconds) to really help. Whereas, if you increase your 100 foot times, then it helps for the rest of the race, and you can spend the majority of your time in your powerband. I know my car pulls harder from 50 mph than it does from 20 mph.

Sorry to get so long winded, and if this is all common knowledge to you then just ignore it.

I am just trying to make the point that a Prelude won't spin it's tires anymore than your average DSM. Neither of them really have the power to do it unless the driver makes the error. They have very similar power and weight distribution.

I have a Camaro also, and it has more torque than it has traction. (unfortunately). I have to ease into the throttle over the first 20 -30 feet. If I jump on it all the way, then it will just roast the tires. With most FWD cars (again, of the ones I have driven) don't have this problem. Once they hook up, they stay hooked up. In my Eclipse, if I can take off without spinning my tires, I can instantly put the pedal to the floor without worrying about wheelspin. But again, my car is stock, so that my change with more upgrades.

I'll shut up now. Sorry

 

[qtiger]

TalonSpeed is right regarding the different generations' engines and whatnot. Also, the SH is significantly heavier than the base model. On a track in stock class the ATTS system can give some advantage, but it's all dead weight on the drag strip.


The main downside to the h22 engine is that the sleeves have a nikasil coating. If you run forged pistons you'll totally trash the sleeves. To make good turbo power you've gotta resleeve the block to drop in some low comp pistons.

So don't be scared of 5th gen Preludes. It's easy to make them quick, but it's damn expensive to make them fast.

 

[farey34]

Originally posted by LifeRollsOn
Did anybody ever race a prelude? If you did, what style was it, what mods did it have and who won? Thanks ahead of time for the replies.

My Eclipse STOCK RS beat a Honda civic si V-tech!!!! Could have been Luck????

 

[98RedGs]

Probably luck...

Was it one of the new ones?

Was it an automagic?


Also when you say "SI" most of us if we know what honda's are would know its a V-tec motor...

Not trying to be a jerk just warning you.

 

[markGSX]

I used to own a 96 Prelude Si (2.3L 160HP non-vtec)
It had some balls.. good low end power. It actually kept up very well with my best friend's 5th gen. No problem taking an N/T Eclipse. Drove it off a cliff and ended up with my 92 GSX. The GSX is unreliable as hell but it completely rapes my old prelude (RIP).

 

[98RedGs]

Since when was a Prelude SI not Vtec?

 

[markGSX]

I think you're getting the Si confused with the 1993 "Si-VTEC"

S = 130 HP F22 2.2L SOHC non-vtec
Si, SE = 160 HP H23 2.3 DOHC non-vtec
VTEC (Si-VTEC in 93) = 190 HP H22 2.2L DOHC VTEC


1992 - S, Si, Si 4WS
1993 - S, Si, Si 4WS, Si-VTEC
1994 - S, Si, Si 4WS, VTEC
1995 - S, Si, SE, VTEC
1996 - S, Si, SE, VTEC

The SE had the trim options of the VTEC (leather, subwoofer, spoiler, + fancy rims) but was an Si under the hood.

 

[98RedGs]

O ok!

Thanks for clearing it up for me bro!

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