Hey, I'm new here.

[zanderson]

My advice would be to find a non running 1g as a project car. I pick mine up a 1990 talon tsi awd for trade for a non running 1995 fzr 600 POS. Body and frame wise the car is in excellent condition. I've pulled the motor and tranny. I have learned lots buy working on it. I went from only knowing the basics of motors to being able to strip this thing down and put it back together. I don't know where I read it but the quote went "DSM's turning everyday people into grade A mechanics."

 

[VictorC777]

Keep both cars! Drive the chevy and work on your DSM... I learn from doing and even if its expensive, how else are you supposed to learn from mistakes. Have fun dude!!

 

[c0reyl]

Theres nothing in front of my intercooler, and I have the stock 1G front bumber

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I didn't realize you could clear out the bumper for airflow. It looks much cleaner like that.

My advice would be to find a non running 1g as a project car. I pick mine up a 1990 talon tsi awd for trade for a non running 1995 fzr 600 POS. Body and frame wise the car is in excellent condition. I've pulled the motor and tranny. I have learned lots buy working on it. I went from only knowing the basics of motors to being able to strip this thing down and put it back together. I don't know where I read it but the quote went "DSM's turning everyday people into grade A mechanics."

That is exactly what I'm doing, isn't it?

Keep both cars! Drive the chevy and work on your DSM... I learn from doing and even if its expensive, how else are you supposed to learn from mistakes. Have fun dude!!

I will have fun, . And IMO, it really is the best way to learn.

and as for ricers...


here's my take.

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this is a ricer.

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this bodykit is classy imo.

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piece of crap ricer.

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imo this rx7 body kit is very nice looking.

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hilarious ricer picture.

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I think this audi body kit looks amazing on the TT.

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here's another ricer which is a retarded car.

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definitely a ricer, but if you take off the decals, paint it darker blue and switch just a few things, that body would look great.




And last but not least:

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THIS CAR IS A COMPELTE RICER according to the logic Iv'e inferred from the replies in this thread. IMO it's the sexiest car ever made. This makes me a ricer wannabe

 

[16g DSM]

http://www.hood-scoop.com/eclipse-hood/eclipse.jpg


Do a bodykit that looks like this one!!!

haha !! Listen kid buy a car that's turbo'd and start from there.... trust me! it can still be a project and not need a complete motor tranny swap! if you want to do a swap get a 2g and do a 6 bolt swap!

 

[c0reyl]

http://www.hood-scoop.com/eclipse-hood/eclipse.jpg


Do a bodykit that looks like this one!!!

haha !! Listen kid buy a car that's turbo'd and start from there.... trust me! it can still be a project and not need a complete motor tranny swap! if you want to do a swap get a 2g and do a 6 bolt swap!

That car is disgustingly ugly.

The motor and tranny in this existing car need to be either rebuilt or replaced anyway. In order to fix this car, it NEEDS a new motor, which my step dad, who is a master mechanic never got around to, YEARS AGO....

What are the advantages to swapping a 2G engine instead of a 6G43 engine or are they the same engines? I'm not sure on this at all.

And trust me if the car didn't mean anything to me or I didn't already have it, I'd have bought a 96-99 eclipse if I went DSM. I will not lie there.

But, I'm going to fix this car regardless, so you still suggest buying a turbo'd car for that? .

 

[dsmtnr]

what is a 6g43? you need to logg on to VFAQ Site - Visual Frequently Answered Questions and do a lot of reading.

 

[born2tune]

i believe airflow shouldn't be a topic of discussion unless its a vehicle built for long distance traveling in excess of 155mph where the airflow could become a discussion factor (downforce/traction), also under the same its debatable whether MPG be relevant on a performance car.

at the same time all i see here is a kid having some goals that a adult with money/garage/time/tools might have a hard time accomplishing. with that said it is highly unlikely the kid will pursue this goal giving the fact that if he had such goals he wouldn't have started with a 1.8l then swap a 4g63 an so on, instead he would have started with a good 4g63 and body if he really had the money.

let the kid dream, let him set goals and figure things out by himself instead of bashing him, thats the problem with this community. if you guys dont have nothing good to say dont say nothing at all.

OP, you need to read and learn more about the DSM's alot more than what you evidently know, which is not much. also once you read enough the questions that you asked would have not been asked, and your questions would have been more of tech questions and build issues.

Given that you are new i suggest that you dont ask for the community for opinions about such a build level that is way out of your league, it makes them mad because you are:

1: starting on the wrong foot.
2: you have insufficent knowledge and experience with DSMs.
3: you are fighting back and rejecting advise, even when some of them sound harsh.

 

[Ghost1984]

I suggest doing what these two guys above me said. Try doing some research on these cars. You'll be surprised just how much you can learn by reading other peoples experiences.

Also, asking opinions about aftermarket body kits like blitz you are gonna get pretty much the same response from about 95% of the members on this forum. Stay with a stock/mostly stock look. 1g and 2g DSM's look great from the factory.

 

[TSI from Hell]

i believe airflow shouldn't be a topic of discussion unless its a vehicle built for long distance traveling in excess of 155mph where the airflow could become a discussion factor (downforce/traction), also under the same its debatable whether MPG be relevant on a performance car.

at the same time all i see here is a kid having some goals that a adult with money/garage/time/tools might have a hard time accomplishing. with that said it is highly unlikely the kid will pursue this goal giving the fact that if he had such goals he wouldn't have started with a 1.8l then swap a 4g63 an so on, instead he would have started with a good 4g63 and body if he really had the money.

let the kid dream, let him set goals and figure things out by himself instead of bashing him, thats the problem with this community. if you guys dont have nothing good to say dont say nothing at all.

OP, you need to read and learn more about the DSM's alot more than what you evidently know, which is not much. also once you read enough the questions that you asked would have not been asked, and your questions would have been more of tech questions and build issues.

Given that you are new i suggest that you dont ask for the community for opinions about such a build level that is way out of your league, it makes them mad because you are:

1: starting on the wrong foot.
2: you have insufficent knowledge and experience with DSMs.
3: you are fighting back and rejecting advise, even when some of them sound harsh.

This.

And anyways, every single person who came on this forum with those kind of dreams ended up NEVER accomplishing them, I'm serious. The only ones who actually made those things happen and didn't make it look like crap like the flimsy, ugly piece of sh!t bodykits you're going to put on there, all came here and already had done some research and where already posting their progress, they didn't need to ask questions first because they already knew what had to be done, and already had the funds. Like whats been said, find a clean turbo AWD shell, you'll have way more fun, then look for a 1GB Eagle Talon front bumper, they're the best looking imo and have adequate opening for a FMIC. Then read read and read and I highly doubt you'll even want to continue with the body styling thing.

 

[bNasty]

Dude im a year younger than you and have accomplished a lot more than you with both my dsms
listen to what these ppl are telling you we've all done this before. already i can tell you do not have the knowledge to do any of this. If you are wondering why you can use 2.0 parts on a 1.8 engine you need to go watch pornhub instead of chillin on dsmtuners.

on a more serious note with a little bit of patients and research you can have a clean nice car. less is more in a dsm the extra plastic wont cut down your lap times to the grocery store

This is what you can accomplish with patients i cant believe im a year younger than you

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[Black Widow97]

i believe airflow shouldn't be a topic of discussion unless its a vehicle built for long distance traveling in excess of 155mph where the airflow could become a discussion factor (downforce/traction), also under the same its debatable whether MPG be relevant on a performance car.

at the same time all i see here is a kid having some goals that a adult with money/garage/time/tools might have a hard time accomplishing. with that said it is highly unlikely the kid will pursue this goal giving the fact that if he had such goals he wouldn't have started with a 1.8l then swap a 4g63 an so on, instead he would have started with a good 4g63 and body if he really had the money.

let the kid dream, let him set goals and figure things out by himself instead of bashing him, thats the problem with this community. if you guys dont have nothing good to say dont say nothing at all.

OP, you need to read and learn more about the DSM's alot more than what you evidently know, which is not much. also once you read enough the questions that you asked would have not been asked, and your questions would have been more of tech questions and build issues.

Given that you are new i suggest that you dont ask for the community for opinions about such a build level that is way out of your league, it makes them mad because you are:

1: starting on the wrong foot.
2: you have insufficent knowledge and experience with DSMs.
3: you are fighting back and rejecting advise, even when some of them sound harsh.

This. OP, don't come on the forum and ask our advice or opinions if you are just going to reject them. It is a waste of time for both yourself, and the members who were kind enough to take the time to help you. We know what we are talking about, and if you cannot accept the that, go troll Talk or something.

 

[c0reyl]

This. OP, don't come on the forum and ask our advice or opinions if you are just going to reject them. It is a waste of time for both yourself, and the members who were kind enough to take the time to help you. We know what we are talking about, and if you cannot accept the that, go troll Talk or something.

I'm not rejecting advice as much as explaining my situation and whatnot. I mentioned bodywork very briefly and people focus more on that than any of the engine part? why is that when bodywork is the last of my goals?

Anyway I may not be very experienced, but a master mechanic can teach me all I need to know, but I should probably get a better idea with this forum as for parts I'm looking for and whatnot in the time being while he's really busy.

How about we ignore the fact anything about the car besides performance was mentioned, because in reality, I can jest mess with the body how i want in my own time.

 

[Black Widow97]

A good coat of paint is all that car's body needs. Why waste time and money on anything else?

As for performance start out with all of your maintenance and get that out of the way. Then when all of that is done to worry about mods.

 

[1G King Koopa]

Ok first off, what are your power goals?

 

[c0reyl]

I don't know yet. as much as i can get out of it without costing an arm and a leg, but I was asking for like a few different price to performance ratios. Since Iv'e seen youtube vids of this engine getting a DSM 93 under a 7 second 1/4 mile, Iv'e seen a video on youtube of this motor getting a Lancer EVO to 237 mph....

How much money would you say I'd need to:

Make a 7 second or less quarter mile

10 second car

12 second car

15 second car.

In general? Like I said, I don't need exact amounts, just a rough estimate.


I don't know how much I'm looking at in costs for any of these options...so yeah.

 

[born2tune]

I don't know yet. as much as i can get out of it without costing an arm and a leg, but I was asking for like a few different price to performance ratios. Since Iv'e seen youtube vids of this engine getting a DSM 93 under a 7 second 1/4 mile, Iv'e seen a video on youtube of this motor getting a Lancer EVO to 237 mph....

How much money would you say I'd need to:

Make a 7 second or less quarter mile

10 second car

12 second car

15 second car.

In general? Like I said, I don't need exact amounts, just a rough estimate.


I don't know how much I'm looking at in costs for any of these options...so yeah.

7 second car=just go and buy the 7 second car from the guy, believe me its cheaper.

10 second car= roughly 1000 dollars in your pocket and buy everything on eBay under" JDM eclipse" and a very wind slicing bodykit

12 second car= just 1000 dollars

15 second car= are you kidding you already have one!!

 

[jrdrew5]

7 second car=just go and buy the 7 second car from the guy, believe me its cheaper.

10 second car= roughly 1000 dollars in your pocket and buy everything on eBay under" JDM eclipse" and a very wind slicing bodykit

12 second car= just 1000 dollars

15 second car= are you kidding you already have one!!

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[c0reyl]

7 second car=just go and buy the 7 second car from the guy, believe me its cheaper.

10 second car= roughly 1000 dollars in your pocket and buy everything on eBay under" JDM eclipse" and a very wind slicing bodykit

12 second car= just 1000 dollars

15 second car= are you kidding you already have one!!

wow, I didn't realize it's that cheap. I figured I'd have to dump 10 grand in the hood for under 10 seconds .

basically I'd be willing to dump 5 grand in the hood alone, no problem.

 

[wkmitsu]

Do you even know how to do bodywork? What you're describing would take experience and serious work to do. You want to go widebody? You want to throw on a bodykit? Widebody would require serious fabrication and most bodykits don't fit right, so they require work. You can easily swap a 2.0 turbo 4G63 from another DSM in that car, but you need to stay FWD. Unless you want to attempt an AWD swap too, which if you did complete on a 1G, would put you into a group of only a few people who have ever done it. Unless that shell is really clean, then it wouldn't even be worth your time to do any of this, just go out and buy another 1G, or a 2G.

wow, I didn't realize it's that cheap. I figured I'd have to dump 10 grand in the hood for under 10 seconds .

basically I'd be willing to dump 5 grand in the hood alone, no problem.

He's being sarcastic, you make a 10 second pass on a $1000 budget and it will be the last 1/4 mile that car ever drives.

 

[Absit]

Anyone else wondering where this kid's going to get 5 grand cash?

 

[Tanro]

Hey man. If you really want to swap your 1.8L dsm to a 2.0T I would suggest looking for an insurance totaled, or rear end collison dsm. Try to find one that matches the same year range of your car.

You can start by stripping down the junker. Have the shell crushed. Sell off any extra parts you dont need/want. This will give you a good base of knowledge on how to take apart the next one.

Plus you will get everything you need in one go instead of having to track down every bit and piece. Your basically gonna need a transmission, complete engine, wiring harness, ecu, and probably cv axles as well.

Yeah, you can straight up buy a turbo dsm for cheaper than you could get it all done if you do a swap. But then you still will at some point end up building it. So total investment will eventually be the same. Especially if your mom gave you her old eclipse. You've allready got a nice body and interior right? So if you find a wreck car you have all the bits to make a turbo dsm for less than 500$ Now your still gonna end investing another 2-3k$ but, your gonna have basically a brandnew motor in that car that will go 150,000 miles + if treated right.

 

[94_TSi]

wow, I didn't realize it's that cheap. I figured I'd have to dump 10 grand in the hood for under 10 seconds .

basically I'd be willing to dump 5 grand in the hood alone, no problem.

You may want to put that money under the hood instead of in the hood itself. On the other hand with the custom body work your talking about you may have 5 or ten grand in the hood.

 

[c0reyl]

Hey man. If you really want to swap your 1.8L dsm to a 2.0T I would suggest looking for an insurance totaled, or rear end collison dsm. Try to find one that matches the same year range of your car.

You can start by stripping down the junker. Have the shell crushed. Sell off any extra parts you dont need/want. This will give you a good base of knowledge on how to take apart the next one.

Plus you will get everything you need in one go instead of having to track down every bit and piece. Your basically gonna need a transmission, complete engine, wiring harness, ecu, and probably cv axles as well.

Yeah, you can straight up buy a turbo dsm for cheaper than you could get it all done if you do a swap. But then you still will at some point end up building it. So total investment will eventually be the same. Especially if your mom gave you her old eclipse. You've allready got a nice body and interior right? So if you find a wreck car you have all the bits to make a turbo dsm for less than 500$ Now your still gonna end investing another 2-3k$ but, your gonna have basically a brandnew motor in that car that will go 150,000 miles + if treated right.

awesome response. thank you.

So basically, I should be looking for a wrecked 93 eclipse GSX turbo, for at least the engine internals and wiring, and the AWD conversion? You say I can get this for $500? Really?

Does the 93 Eclipse GSX stock have a 4g63 motor in it as good as the one in the EVO 4 series and up? the Eclipse GSX motor in google images of under the hood looked slightly different than google images of a 4g63 motor. This is why I ask this.

You may want to put that money under the hood instead of in the hood itself. On the other hand with the custom body work your talking about you may have 5 or ten grand in the hood.

I literally Figured I'd need to spend 10 grand rebuilding my motor and putting better turbo and internals in it to get a 10 second car, bodywork aside.

 

[born2tune]

Hey man. If you really want to swap your 1.8L dsm to a 2.0T I would suggest looking for an insurance totaled, or rear end collison dsm. Try to find one that matches the same year range of your car.

You can start by stripping down the junker. Have the shell crushed. Sell off any extra parts you dont need/want. This will give you a good base of knowledge on how to take apart the next one.

Plus you will get everything you need in one go instead of having to track down every bit and piece. Your basically gonna need a transmission, complete engine, wiring harness, ecu, and probably cv axles as well.

Yeah, you can straight up buy a turbo dsm for cheaper than you could get it all done if you do a swap. But then you still will at some point end up building it. So total investment will eventually be the same. Especially if your mom gave you her old eclipse. You've allready got a nice body and interior right? So if you find a wreck car you have all the bits to make a turbo dsm for less than 500$ Now your still gonna end investing another 2-3k$ but, your gonna have basically a brandnew motor in that car that will go 150,000 miles + if treated right.

i wouldn't advise this to the kid, you haven't realized he is a high roller. obviously he rich. im sure he will buy facebook and sell it just to do the 1g 1.8l to an 2.0 awd 7 second car. but only if he knew how to drop 10 grand in the hood

im starting to believe this kid is not kid, but ludachris himself, me might have created a new account to pretend to be a n00b and have fun, (just jk) but it makes me laugh though

 

[wkmitsu]

awesome response. thank you.

So basically, I should be looking for a wrecked 93 eclipse GSX turbo, for at least the engine internals and wiring, and the AWD conversion? You say I can get this for $500? Really?

Does the 93 Eclipse GSX stock have a 4g63 motor in it as good as the one in the EVO 4 series and up? the Eclipse GSX motor in google images of under the hood looked slightly different than google images of a 4g63 motor. This is why I ask this.

A DSM 4G63 has just as much potential as any EVO 4G63. The EVO IV-IX motors are essentially backwards from a DSM 4G63 or EVO I-III 4G63.

I don't want to crush your dreams or anything, but if you weren't able to collect it from my other post, you're not going to accomplish that AWD swap, trust me it's just not going to happen, not on a 1G. The motor swap is easily doable though. You can find a wrecked car for parts for $500, but it's going to take some waiting around for one to pop up that is exactly what you want.