Ground Wires

[Race94]

Ground wires are supposed to increase horsepower,overall performance, better fuel mileage and such.

Does anyone have ground wires in their cars?
Any pictures??

Thanks

 

[91 NT Eclipse]

Ground wires--->SCAM

You aren't going to gain power or anything for that matter from ground wires. Please don't waste your money on that.

 

[igs]

Ground wires improved my gas mileage 30%. No joke.

 

[doug]

A guy in our local DSM club put them on his 11-sec Talon a few months ago. He says they improved idle and gave a slightly noticeable increase in performance (no trip to the track since then, though). I've been thinking about getting a set, but have no first-hand experience other than what the aforementioned guy has told me.

 

[sleepinGSX]

u can just make your own wires really cheap, replace all your oem wires with some larger 6 or 8 gauge, then i replaced my ground to the intake mani with a line strait from the post and also made one for the TB. Theres a little screw hole on the top of the TB i think its a 1/8inch are something use that. Im also makin some for the motor just not sure where im goin to put it yet.

 

[greyforestgst]

christ you people are paying money for WIRES?

just buy a nice thick gauge, find an open screw hole on your chassis, find an open screw hole on your engine, and voila. put spades on either end of your nice gauge wire and stick it on.

 

[Novtec1]

Originally posted by greyforestgst
christ you people are paying money for WIRES?

just buy a nice thick gauge, find an open screw hole on your chassis, find an open screw hole on your engine, and voila. put spades on either end of your nice gauge wire and stick it on.

soo true.... its a shame how easy it is to make your own ground wires. regrounded my car when i moved my battery to the trunk. too damn easy.

 

[TalonRacer18]

But they are soo perty!!

 

[BoostedTalonTS]

Yup! -1/O and 4 AWG! (I used the 1/O AWG for the battery relocation with the help of a 2 gang 1/O to a 4 gang 4 AWG distribution block, and the 4 AWG for the motor/firewall/ F&R Strud towers).

The cheapest place I found wire was actually a local Steel Yard... The 1/O was old arc welding electrode wires (HELLA amounts of hair sized strands of wire). I got a spool that had about 32' left on it for 35 bux!!

My Monster Cable rep actually donated the 4 guage -Thanks Dave!

I didn't get the impression that it made my car faster, but it sure did make everything electronic MUCH happier! -Later on, I reran 4 AWG to the Alternator (rather than those 2 factory 10AWG wires)... Now, the car doesn't dip below 12 volts with EVERYTHING running!

 

[94Talon2]

I've seen a dyno test where over 10 hp was made on a tsi. Would gains be made on a non-turbo? is it worth while?

thanks

 

[brads]

Originally posted by Race94
Ground wires are supposed to increase horsepower,overall performance, better fuel mileage and such.

Does anyone have ground wires in their cars?
Any pictures??

What did you find when you searched? A whole bunch of people who understand engine electronics laughing at the idea? This topic has been discussed to death on this forum, and I have yet to see an intelligent argument for their use giving any gains.

 

[awdEAGLEtsi]

ground wires do work, same problem with the wrx's, but DO NOT waste your money on buying a ground wiring kit. just get some wires, see where they connect them and do it yourself. it does smooth out the idle, and depending on how much work you have done to your car it can give it hp...spark is part of the fuel/air, mix just as important and it does affect the spark, but you can do it yourself. most kits for the wrx i have seen do 5 points, i don't know about for dsm's but i would guess it would be the same...and the more points the better anyway...so 1 more is better, and since you can't really over ground, do as much as you want. ground to the block, in like 2 places, and to the frame in 3...pretty simple, just don't get the wires anywhere, where they would melt or get in the way. ohh and thicker wire isn't always better. i wouldn't go 4 gauge, i would use 8 gauge the biggest...plus its easier to use.

 

[RuBiCaNT5X]

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This has been beaten to death in another thread...

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=26424&highlight=Hyperground+Wires

 

[brads]

Originally posted by awdEAGLEtsi
ground wires do work, same problem with the wrx's, but DO NOT waste your money on buying a ground wiring kit. just get some wires, see where they connect them and do it yourself. it does smooth out the idle, and depending on how much work you have done to your car it can give it hp...spark is part of the fuel/air, mix just as important and it does affect the spark, but you can do it yourself.

You obviously didn't bother to read any of the other threads here on ground wires. I have explained quote thoroughly many times over why it is impossible for ground wires to affect our spark energy. Please feel free to read the other threads, then come back after you understand how the ignition system on our cars works.

I see lots of kids come on here swearing they work, but I have yet to see one intelligent argument as to why they would improve the power on a dsm that was in proper running order.


Brad

 

[Race94]

whoa this thread is back from the dead.

Well i have on question, i plan to make them with these instructions:

http://dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=75889

I have doubt in these steps:
3.Slide an end on a cable and rig something to hold in so the end is lower than the cable.

4. Heat the end with a torch, unroll several inches of solder wire and keep it in contact with the copper cable just above the end piece. When it’s hot enough the solder will melt. The cable will absorb solder like a sponge. Get plenty of it in there to saturate the end and for a complete bond.

 

[dsmturboawd]

^^just do it however you want, cause they wont do a damn thing. the only thing they'll do is correct faulty stock wiring.

im sure your stock wiring is fine if the car runs.

 

[Race94]

thing is i do need them, my car has always felt power drained, my idle sometimes is crazy and when i turn on the A/C and lights my idle goes down, so i'm not doing it for any horsepower wich is ridiculous i'm doing it for the stability of the car.

Can anyone help with the instructions?

 

[bigjangin]

they will only help if something is wrong with your current wires. That magazine where the talon made around 10 hp from ground wires previously had an engine fire. Keep that in mind.

 

[Groomz]

Its like the guy who runs 3 spark plugs and gets excited about the power gains of the fourth plug. If the engine is not grounding correctly, then it will bring it back up to stock. It is impossible to pick up "gains" by grounding the engine, unless you fudge the dyno numbers or rig it to look like there were gains. It can't hurt, so its not too bad. Just don't spend 85$ for a set of wires. Leave that to the Honda crowd.

I would like to say that on DSMs this is a bad idea, but on an 88 Lincoln 5.0 V8, it made a world of difference. I added about 5 wires from the negative terminal post to various points and it was a completely different vehicle. Still slow as hell and way too heavy, but idled much smoother and did not have its part throttle miss anymore.

Lincoln Racing Motorsports
Est 2003

 

[sjwelna]

I put them on my car. I didn't put them on for performance gains though, I put them on because I will have (in the near future) about 1600 wrms of stereo. Better grounding is always a good thing. I'm pretty sure that they gave me no performance increase. I'm going to redo the alt-battery connection with 4 gauge wire as well, just to try to "open up" the charging system.

-Steve

BTW, if you want pics of them, go to my webpage: http://www.sounddomain.com/id/welnas or you can just click on the "webpage" button at the bottom of my post.

 

[wret]

Originally posted by Race94
Can anyone help with the instructions?

Race94, your mailbox is full.

I probably over explained it in the tech article to the point where it sounds more complicated than it is. I'll try to make this a little more clear:

-Clamp the ring connector with vice grips or c-clamp. Clamp the ring part, not the part that will attach to the wire and try to make as little actual contact as possible. The reason for this is the clamp will act as a heat sink making it more difficult to get the connector hot enough to melt solder.

-position the ring connector so it is lower than the wire. The liquid solder will run down-hill into the cup of the connector. You don't want it to run the other way into the wire and burn off the insulation.

-heat the connector for several seconds, and then feed the solder into an exposed area of the wire. Don't try to heat the solder itself. When the connector is hot enough, the solder will flow into the wire and connector.

That's about it. Hope this helps.

 

[Race94]

Yeah that clears things up, so just to be sure, i heat the connector not the actual wire and i place the end of the wire in the connector, the put solder on the part of the wire that is visible, meaning not already in the connector and the solder should melt down and into the connector?

 

[Vinnie]

Here's a link to a perfect setup:
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=75889

I had to try it out, just had to.

Let's face it, there is no way, that you're going to connect a couple of ground wires, and you're horsepower will increase, that is pure non-sense.
On the other hand the car will idle, start more smothly, and on my car the headlights and dash light were also a little brighter, for the $30 that I spend I was happy.

 

[wret]

Originally posted by Race94
Yeah that clears things up, so just to be sure, i heat the connector not the actual wire and i place the end of the wire in the connector, the put solder on the part of the wire that is visible, meaning not already in the connector and the solder should melt down and into the connector?

yes, yes, yes and yes

 

[Race94]

how much do materials cost??

uhm sorry to question again wret, i heat the what area of the connector? the metallic part right? the after that i insert the uncovered wire and put it in the sleeve, then i put the solder to the exposed wire wich is not heated and it should melt down?? or in to the open side of the sleeve?

Sorry but i am still not getting trough, what confuses me the most is where the solder, connector and wire should come together