Exhaust help

[rs95tuner]

Hey i have a question. I have a completely stock 95 rs as of right now and im looking to get a little more hp out of her. Im getting a AEM cold air intake for xmas, i know that wont really add any hp but after my bithday in january, ill have enough cash for the following: cat-back, high flow cat, and headers. Now i was wondering how much hp that would roughly add to it. Also, is there something that will give me a larger gain in hp for roughly the same price? thank you all for the help. I greatly appreciate it.

-Trevin

 

[fwdmaster]

Maybe like 5hp to 10hp

 

[rs95tuner]

hmm....well now thats not the largest gain....im starting to think that i should just boost it, run 8-12 lbs of boost that would help out more. i would also be spending..., what 2 grand? high 2000? also, if i dont buy a turbo kit, and buy everything completely sperate, would i save some money?

 

[IIv SHaDoW vII]

An AF/X or Unorthodox Racing Underdrive pulley will give you a more noticable increase.. However, the power gains in general around about the same 5-10 hp.. The underdrive pulley will be a little more if you cant install it yourself. The part pulley is around 150-160.
If you dont have a personal mechanic, I would probably just go with the exhaust truthfully, because a shop would charge you out the ass to install the UDP..

 

[IIv SHaDoW vII]

There are guys on here that have built a 420a turbo kit for + or - 600 bucks. The real money is spent upgrading the engine, fuel system, etc.. If you built your own turbo kit, you could probably get away with spending 1200-1500 total assuming you can install everything yourself. On the bright side, you'll have a car where you can say.. I built that..

EDIT- Before Defiant gets in here, make sure you check the current condition of your car before upgrading to turbo if that IS the route you choose to take. Make sure your car is running in top condition before you go raping it with forced induction. Any previous problems will only get worse, or become harder to find when you go turbo.

BTW, stock engine internals are rumored to be fine if you are running 5 to 8 psi. I am not sure I would take the chance if it is your daily driver though.

 

[rs95tuner]

thanks for the help shadow. I think i might build my own turbo kit then. I would be doing the work by myself and if i ever got stuck on something i have my neighbor who is going to school for cars right now. he helped me with my RS the day i bought it helped me change all fluids and spark plugs and then he helped me when i blew my clutch too...where do you think i would be able to find more information about building my own turbo kit? just search here on the forums until i find something or what?

 

[96TurboGS]

There is a wealth of info you just have to know how to search the Internets...
I use this site, neons.org, 2gnt.com and sometimes dsmtalk.com. It's all there, I had my car running turbo before I decided to post on any of the sites because the info was ALL there. SEARCH and be amazed.

 

[IIv SHaDoW vII]

The 2 sites I use are this and 2gnt.com. You may find 2gnt more helpful because it's the exact opposite of this site which focuses more on the 4g63. 2gnt is mostly about the 420a.
Just about anything you need to know, you will find on that site.. This site is great as your first choice. I like the layout better than 2gnt, but 2gnt is a great site too. Good luck on your build. If you happen to start a build, you should make a build thread..

 

[rstare]

Hey i have a question. I have a completely stock 95 rs as of right now and im looking to get a little more hp out of her. Im getting a AEM cold air intake for xmas, i know that wont really add any hp but after my bithday in january, ill have enough cash for the following: cat-back, high flow cat, and headers. Now i was wondering how much hp that would roughly add to it. Also, is there something that will give me a larger gain in hp for roughly the same price? thank you all for the help. I greatly appreciate it.

-Trevin

Like someone else said a UDP is probably one of the best mods you can do.
For the mods you listed I would think you could get at least 10hp more.

Just for a heads up; Mark Bullet owns the fastest N/A 420a; 203whp and 13.3 in the 1/4 mile (forgive me if I'm slightly off Mark).
If you correctly put together a turbo kit and run 8psi, it would definatley put you over that.

2GNT.com - 420a_Sleeper_Part_1

There's a detailed walkthrough to get an idea of what you need for a turbo kit.

I would say do a compression test before you do anything though.

 

[totaleclipse_05]

To put realistically put together a good and reliable turbo kit, expect to spend around 2000-2500.

 

[Dsmj89]

I'd say dont bother with the exhuast for the car and save up a good 3k and boost it. Get all your fuel upgrades together as well with the kit, and tune it. I would recommend a megasquirt standalone. My friend has a 95 talon esi boosted and its one of the best standalones made so far for the 420a i know of. Good luck with the project.

 

[cs82685]

If you plan to go turbo, still get the hi flow cat and catback. just dont get the header because that will be replaced by a turbo mani.

To go semi-custom, I recommend buying your manifold and downpipe from treadstone this way you'll need minimum welding done, or find a used star/treadstone/autosquare manifold and used star/treadstone downpipe and begin your build around those parts.

 

[rs95tuner]

Ill keep you all posted. I will probably post another thread once i get the money together and start purchasing parts. I will definitly make a build thread though. I will post pictures before, multiple pictures during, and pictures after the build. I cant wait until january/february now.

 

[rs95tuner]

ive been having some troubles finding just the hahn 16g turbo....turbo alone no kits anyone know where i should look?? also what do you think...16g or T3/T4??

 

[Dsmj89]

I say go t3/t4 50 trim. Go big or go home ! Lol jk but the turbo depends on how much power you want to make ?

 

[wont_luz]

Might as well still get the exhaust it'll help the turbo breathe. Just don't waste your money on n/t headers if you're going to boost it later anyways.

 

[JasonD]

I hope this isnt to far off topic but a small trick i've tried for cheap HP while waiting to go turbo is by moving the air intake temp sensor and moving it into the CAI just infront of the throttle body. a friend of mine didnt thing it would do anything so we took 2 96RS eclipse's both with the CAI as the only mode. The eclipse with this little mod was faster in 1st, 2nd and 3rd, we also switched drivers to eliminate drive error as an issuse. Back to the turbo disscusion a decent alternative to look at for some parts that i've had luck with in the past is Treadstone performance. They even sell a complete kit for the 420a, its not too bad of a kit for the price if you want just about everything in one shot

 

[cs82685]

ive been having some troubles finding just the hahn 16g turbo....turbo alone no kits anyone know where i should look?? also what do you think...16g or T3/T4??

If you go with a mitsu turbo, the issue is there are limited turbos you can use and only one manifold made that you can use unless if you know how to or are willing to pay big bucks for someone to fab a manifold for you. If you go with a t3/t4, there are 3 different options out there as far as turbo manifolds and a TON more turbo options. There's also more downpipes available.

I hope this isnt to far off topic but a small trick i've tried for cheap HP while waiting to go turbo is by moving the air intake temp sensor and moving it into the CAI just infront of the throttle body. a friend of mine didnt thing it would do anything so we took 2 96RS eclipse's both with the CAI as the only mode. The eclipse with this little mod was faster in 1st, 2nd and 3rd, we also switched drivers to eliminate drive error as an issuse.

Simply one engine was stronger than the other. You could take 10 of the exact same brand new cars off a lot and one is going to be the fastest and one is going to be the slowest. There's always variations. Now try comparing two cars that were (supposedly) equal 10-12 years ago and try comparing them. One is definitely going to be more tired than the other. I bet if you were to do a compression test on the two cars they wouldn't be too close to each other You are not going to get noticeable power gains out of these cars without turboing it unless if you're prepared to drop some coin. THere was an article one of the magazines did back in the day spending >$1000 on a n/t eclipse and gaining maybe 10-15 hp. You can spend that much boosting the car and instead get 50-100hp. The best mod for power dollar for dollar on a n/t IMO would be megasquirt and a good tune on a dyno

 

[JasonD]

Yes every engine can be different for sure no car is identical, the only reason i brought it up is for something to look into for cheap power. While this mod will not net noticable power its something worth testing. Going back to the car comparison before the air temp sensor was moved both cars (silver and White) were run 6 times with a 10 min interval to see if any major differences would appear. The white car was slower by a fender to half car each time. the intake temp sensor was moved in the white car and began the runs again. Now the whit car was able to pull infornt of the silver. Not saying it will work with every engine just something that i've tried. But yes dollar for dollar boost is the way to go for power. Thanks for the feed back