evo turbo

[BodyRage85]

hey guys im dropping a jdm 4g63t into my eclipse and i want to put the evo-VIII turbo and manifold on it right away with a fmic, intake and K&N filter, 550cc injectors, warlboro 255lph fuel pump, and full 3" exhaust......2 questions...1) since the inlet on the evo turbo is on the drivers side, am i going to need a custom intake pipe made???...2) what kinda hp do you think i'll be running just out of curiosity, i'm guessing over 300

 

[DSMSpyder99]

ok first of all if you did a search you would find out the the 4G63 for DSM are NOT the same as the 4G63 as EVO 4-8. It will not work so dont even try it. without alot of money put into your car. you will probably need custom motor mounts, tranny mounts, cross members, new radiator and fan...the list goes on

second REAL EVO 1-3 4G63 will NOT fit in 1G DSM, you will need a Galant VR4 4G63.

 

[Mackzero]

"im dropping a jdm 4g63t into my eclipse and i want to put the evo-VIII turbo and manifold...."

You need to do some research on this man, use the search button. Even if the manifold did bolt up to the head there is NO room for an intake on the driver's side. Just pop you hook and look if you don't believe me. And then even if you figured that out, you will realize that you need a custom downpipe, custom intercooler piping, and water/oil lines made. Which is feasible. But the real question here is why in the hell would you do this. If you want evo power go get the EVO III turbo and manifold, etc. and just bolt it up. And then YES you could make 300 hp with the correct support mods and tuning. Just trying to shed some light on this for you, try not to take offense.

 

[BodyRage85]

nah i wasnt going to get the evo motor i was going to get the jdm 4g63 with the cyclone intake manifold...1g dsms all use the same mounts ive checked it at the dealership, so i guess i got the with the evo 3 manifold ported and the evo 3 turbo ported and clipped ok so what kinda power u think im going to put out????

 

[Mackzero]

It will all be realitive to who builds it, who tunes it, how much care is put into building it, etc. There are guys on here with very similar mods that differ in hp like 20% or more because of these factors. If everything is done right, and tuned right, I do not see why you couldn't make 300 hp easy.

 

[DSMSpyder99]

nah i wasnt going to get the evo motor i was going to get the jdm 4g63 with the cyclone intake manifold...1g dsms all use the same mounts ive checked it at the dealership, so i guess i got the with the evo 3 manifold ported and the evo 3 turbo ported and clipped ok so what kinda power u think im going to put out????

this just proves how retarded dealers are (and how gullible you are for believing them). This is straight from RoadRace Engineering and if you dont know who they are just pick up any magazine and they are praised for their work on DSM's and EVO's

EVO Motors: The valve covers of the EVO 1-3 motors will be a kind of titanium color. They are the same as a US 2G motor with nothing fancy. They have the smaller 2G style intake ports, a small runner intake manifold with a larger plenum and a larger throttle body than a 2G motor. Still they are hard to find. Many are from other 4G63 powered cars and can have small 13G sized turbos. They will not bolt into a 1G because there are no provisions for the front roll stopper motor mounts that bolt to the block. Everything in Japan from 94 and up has the front and rear roll stopper motor mounts on the transmission 2G Eclipse style. Many people are running around yapping about how they have an EVO motor in their car. If it bolts into a 1G, it isn't an EVO motor.

Heres the link too

 

[Pj97GST]

Many people are running around yapping about how they have an EVO motor in their car. If it bolts into a 1G, it isn't an EVO motor.

Heres the link too

Haha Spyder, you rule! I was wondering how long it would be till someone used that quote..

 

[BrokenTsi]

why waste money on a 16g? I dont care what anyone says and how good they think their "evo" 16g pulls. I dont even care that someone ran 11's on it. Get a 50 trim or bigger. Costs little more, but worth it for the turbo. As soon as you boost the 16g you'll think to yourself, man I wish i was faster. Pay a little more for a turbo that flows a lot more. I run 26psi on my 50trim on stock engine and stock head (except for arp studs metal headgasket) with zero knock every day.

 

[Bastard1g]

Not everyone wants to run 26 psi everyday. That kind of power requires a commitment that many people who have busy lives cant keep. plus a daily driver with that much power can be fun for only so long till you get tired of beakin shit and dealing with driveability problems and the thought that if you get on it for 5 seconds you will go to jail for doing 50 over the speed limit. Im not gonna knock people that can deal with that much power for a daily driver, im just sayin that ther is a purpose for a 16g and that is a good daily driver that can make 300 hp.

 

[skinnypimp]

Not everyone wants to run 26 psi everyday. That kind of power requires a commitment that many people who have busy lives cant keep. plus a daily driver with that much power can be fun for only so long till you get tired of beakin shit and dealing with driveability problems and the thought that if you get on it for 5 seconds you will go to jail for doing 50 over the speed limit. Im not gonna knock people that can deal with that much power for a daily driver, im just sayin that ther is a purpose for a 16g and that is a good daily driver that can make 300 hp.

i sold my evo 16g to a guy named ralph and he still hasn't put it on his car

 

[ShapeGSX]

I dont care what anyone says and how good they think their "evo" 16g pulls. I dont even care that someone ran 11's on it.

I do!

Actually, there are two people that have run 11s with it.

Mid to high teen trap speeds in a heavy-ass 2G with incredibly fast spoolup makes for a very fun daily driver and drag racer.

 

[yo2001]

I'm darn close

 

[BodyRage85]

so getting a 1g cyclone motor from japan with those mods is a good choice???...to the guy running the 50 trim turbo, what manifold are you using??? i dont know why everyone was thinking i was going to get an evo motor cause i know they dont bolt up....the trans is on the drivers side and the turbo inlet is on the drivers side too im going to get one of those jdm motors that u see on ebay and stuff except i dont trust it from there ill get it from a company that gives it a guarantee...anything else you guys think i should do also???? remember this is a 92 not a 2g (not knocking on anyone but i dont know how 2g's came into the picture)

 

[BrokenTsi]

I'm using an evo manifold from sbr. I dont run 26psi all the time either. Sometimes i bump it down to 21 maybe 20, still pulls hard, but anything under 18psi is junk. Those of you who are fast know what I'm talking about.

I think Evo16g is only good for redlight to redlight because of quick spool up times. But if you're only going to run 15psi with it then dont even bother. I ran 12.4 on a 14b at 20psi then i ran a 12.35 with a 50trim at like 16psi.

 

[BodyRage85]

who makes the 50 trim turbo and how much did it cost??? u got me convinced broken as egbert and ruper would say

 

[BrokenTsi]

pte makes a 50 trim. I got mine from extremepsi. Price starts out at around 849 or so. I think its an extra 100 bucks for internal gate. I run an internal gate with an o2 dump and i got no boost creep problems. I dont want to bash on the 16g's, but its just not worth it to me. And yes, it is all in the tuning. I have seen 16g's beat people with larger turbos, but its all in the tuning :laugh: pte50 trim is a great street turbo and hits full boost pretty darn quick. 16g will never catch a 50 trim on top end. It just pulls hard thru every gear. I sold my 16g as soon as i installed it. Even consider 20g tdo6, very nice turbo as well.

 

[ShapeGSX]

Just realize that the list of mods to support a 50 trim is longer than the list to support a 16G.

And you are more likely to break something with a 50 trim, engine included.

I've seen a lot of people get a large turbo right away and have a very long ramp up to get a car that runs well. A 16G isn't that big of a step. And it can support enough power to run in the 11s.

People get into my car and are amazed at how well it pulls at 20psi. And the torque it gives at low RPMs is great for a daily driver.

The Evo III 16G is not like the other 16Gs. This sucker has flowed 44lb/min on my car, which is getting close to what you might get out of a 50-trim.

 

[BrokenTsi]

looks like he already has all the mods for a 50 trim. fmic, fuel, exhaust. And you wont break your engine because of a 50 trim. Turbos dont blow motors, improper tuning does. My engine is completely stock except for cams. And a 16g, whether its evo or super 16g or whatever, will never flow near a 50 trim. If you dont plan on running somewhere near 21psi then dont even bother with a 50 trim. Besides, it looks bling under the hood.

 

[ShapeGSX]

looks like he already has all the mods for a 50 trim. fmic, fuel, exhaust. And you wont break your engine because of a 50 trim. Turbos dont blow motors, improper tuning does. My engine is completely stock except for cams. And a 16g, whether its evo or super 16g or whatever, will never flow near a 50 trim. If you dont plan on running somewhere near 21psi then dont even bother with a 50 trim. Besides, it looks bling under the hood.

Lots of power can break an engine, even if it is tuned properly.

There is no doubt that the 50-trim can flow more than an Evo 16G. Probably another ~50hp to 100hp worth, depending on how agressive you want to be. Though I have never seen 50-trim flow numbers. I've seen a peak of 44.1lb/min datalogged in my car with my 16G.

Incidentally, I didn't see any fuel control, nor a turbo ECU on that list. You will need both, regardless of what turbo you pick. Might I suggest waiting for 1G DSMLink, which should come out soon. I also don't see any airflow measurement hardware.

Frankly, though, I question whether someone putting a turbo engine into an N/T is ready for a larger turbo like that. The 16G at least won't lag as badly, and is closer to a stock setup, which means it is easier to set up. And if you turn the boost up, it is capable of 400hp. It is a whole lot easier on you and your car if you take baby steps, rather than tons of mods at once. If you do one mod at a time, you will know what is wrong when something isn't running right.

 

[yo2001]

EVOIII for $500, you really can't beat that price vs HP.

And look stock doing it.