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Do you need a license to "drive"? Nope

Posted by Boost_Addict_88, Dec 25, 2013

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  1. Breezio69

    Breezio69 Proven Member

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    Dude, you can sit and twist the literature all day long... "income is compensation", "traveling vs driving".

    It seems like you have a few things pretty far out of context, and went to fairy land on some of that good ol Oregon chron, then you decided to display your findings on a forum dedicated to cars and safely driving them within the bounds of the law. We all know its not worth the hassle of what you are saying. Sure, if I didn't want to renew my drivers license technically I could "travel" behind the wheel of a car, which last I checked is driving, which last I checked is a privilege. .. oh and then when I get caught there are consequences, like stated above.

    Driving is in fact a privilege, that's why there are laws and classes to keep people safe, and that's why it can be TAKEN from you.

    Besides, I can think of about 10 more things to "rise up and fight" that don't pertain to getting a $25 license every 6 years. Seems pretty menial compared to a ton of other problems we have.
     

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  2. Boost_Addict_88

    Boost_Addict_88 Proven Member

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    Here's more proof

    Right to Travel

    Also, you cannot be jailed for a civil infraction, hell, citations are illegal under the Constitution for the united states of America and the many constitutions of the States. Look up Bill of Attainder. You have the Right to due process under the Law, which means trial by jury (if it even got to that), so the judge wouldn't decide, it would be up to the People. Remember, if there is no victim, there is no crime.

    Also, get ahold of a Black's Law Dictionary. It has the (real) legal definitions of words.
     
  3. Breezio69

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    I hope you do this, and I hope the first cop that pulls you over laughs his ass off, throws the book at you, then impounds your car because he can... its his RIGHT as a cop with more power than you to be able to take your sh** away... hahahaha. Send me some of that sweet sticky if you have some spare time.

    The literary content of this thread is about as entertaining as the guy that caged his 1g with 1x1 box steel... LOL.

    Keep going actually, I'm gonna crack a beer and watch this unfold all night :)
     

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  4. Hal

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    Case law, not more intra web bullshit.

    Not licensing your vehicle is not a civil infraction, it's a violation of the law (aka a crime).

    Depending on the infraction, you are not automatically entitled to a jury of your peers.

    Try getting a jury trial to contest a traffic ticket some time.

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    Hal Proven Member

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    Nah, he'll take him to the psychiatric hospital for a 72 hour evaluation.

    Hal
     

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  6. Boost_Addict_88

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    Did you actually read the document or just skim through it? If its a crime, then who's the victim? Also again, badges DO NOT grant extra Rights. Cops are Public Servants, they work for us!

    Its sad that we live in a world where standing up for your Rights results in a psychriatric test... I would certainly take the test, but it would be on the dime of the officer and they would find all of my bolts in order so to speak.
     
  7. Hal

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    I didn't even waste the effort of clicking on the link since it didn't seem to represent a link to any actual case law.

    Where's the case law that says operating a motor vehicle is a right?

    Hell, even the Amish have to have plates on their buggies.

    Your beliefs fly against the reality of law.

    Try using your linked information as foundation in court, you just piss the judge off and he'll grant the prosecution a summary ruling of guilty due to lack of legal foundation.

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  8. Boost_Addict_88

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    You know if you actually watched the videos and read the text, you might actually learn something. Thomas Jefferson once said that we are obligated to break unjust laws and according to the Honorable Justice John Marshall in the 1803 Supreme Court case Marbury v Madison for any secondary law to come into conflict with the Supreme Law was illogical because the Supreme Law would triumph over any other law. Also, according to the Seventh Amendment, any controversy exceeding the value of $20 has the Right to trial by jury. No judge may enter a plea for anybody. Only the person or the person representing said person may enter a plea on the person's behalf. If they do, that disqualifies the case.
     
  9. Hal

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    A summary judgement is not entering a plea, go research it.

    "In law, a summary judgment (also judgment as a matter of law) is a judgment entered by a court for one party and against another party summarily, i.e., without a full trial. Such a judgment may be issued on the merits of an entire case"

    Not all of us believe everything we read or watch on the internet.

    You haven't shown any PROOF that your position is valid under law.

    Unless, you are going to claim that those laws are invalid and as such they do not apply to you.

    Good luck with that one.

    You keep referring to publications that support your cause but don't provide any actual proof.

    A quick Google search of the cases cited in that right to travel link show that those cases are often cited (out of context) when applied to positions like yours.

    I'm done.

    Take my advice, either grow up or get used to soap on a rope.

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  10. AK Maniak

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    Everyone can argue it all day but OP is right. Just because one is ignorant to UCC (Uniform Commercial Code) doesn't mean it isn't true. Each person has the right to be a sovereign individual. For those curious spend a few minutes researching what your "straw man" is.
     
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  11. Boost_Addict_88

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    The United States is a corporation, but the united states is the landmass. Notice the difference in capitalization. The birth certificate and SSN make us "employees" to the United States corporation instead of Sovereign Individuals as our Founding Fathers intended us to be. Those two documents didn't show up until the 20's and 30's. They are both scams.
     
  12. Breezio69

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    Once again. Is it worth it to register a vehicle once a year for $60, and spend $25 every 4-6 years to get a license, or to get ####ed with every time you drive your home made plated "private party" car?

    Honestly, that's amazing that you dug up a bunch of sh**, but in the end its still a bunch of sh**. Youre causing more problems for yourself than it is to spend 30 minutes waiting at the dmv once a year.

    I dunno how much time is worth to you, but its worth a hell of a lot to me. I'd hate to spend more than I had to in court to get it either dismissed or find the wrong da and still get a ticket... to which you would further fight tonprove your point and waste more time...

    You may say a bit of truth since I read the link, but is it worth the hassle? To me... no, ill go to the dmv once a year and pay my dues to drive on my cities roads.
     

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  13. Hal

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    Seriously?

    "There have been many well-publicized convictions of citizens attempting to take advantage of this theory. The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) regards the instructors and promoters of Redemption schemes as fraudsters[3] while the Internal Revenue Service has included the "straw man" claim in its list of frivolous positions that may result in the imposition of a $5,000 penalty[4] when used as the basis for an inaccurate tax return.[5]"

    from:

    [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redemption_movement]Redemption movement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

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  14. Paul@RTM

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    Boost_Addict-88, why are you using so much energy trying to convince everyone of the validity of this. You should be using it to actually put your ideas in operation, not just talking about it. Want to shut all your naysayers up? Go forth and DO these things.

    By the way, you should keep in mind that "rules" and "laws" cannot prevent the laws of physics from occurring. For example, it may be illegal to fire and gun at someone and kill them but the mere fact that it's illegal doesn't prevent the bullet from exiting the muzzle, does it? Also, judges can rule against someone even if they "shouldn't". You think every person ever convicted of a crime since the dawn of man has actually been guilty? Every single one? The point is, even if you're convinced you're right about something (and even if your ARE right) doesn't prevent you from being found guilty, forced to pay a fine, jailed, etc, etc. Think about that.
     
  15. serviceguy

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    I am way behind you, I am still trying to wrap my head around the concept of 'driving vs travelling' and now you're talking about the United States being a corporation?

    Another little consideration, I am assuming that you never plan to leave the US and travelling abroad, I can guarantee you that if you start arguing of essential liberties and UCC you're not getting your ass in a rental...
     

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  16. Breezio69

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    Two words; Too high.

    I remember my first trip on the internet... :hellyeah:
     
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  17. Boost_Addict_88

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    Fee schedules and a questionnaire in pursuance of the Privacy Act of 1974 as well as the citations from Supreme Court cases will make the cop think twice. If he does pursue, the fee schedule still applies because he was made aware of the contract and he decided to take action anyway. He can be sued and even have his bond taken from him. The prosecution has to prove willfulness, which he cannot do, therefore there is no case. Can you please tell me who the victim is? No victim, no crime.

    As for the IRS, it is an unconstitutional agency with an unconstitutional tax. Congress had no authority whatsoever to pass it into law and it was never properly ratified by the States and even if it had been, its still an unconstitutional act. The Federal Reserve is a privately owned bank. Its no more Federal then Federal Express. Congress had no authority to give monetary powers to anyone, let alone a private bank. The only one with powers to coin money is the US Treasury and it must be backed by gold or silver.

    Paul, as stated before, I just recently found out about this and am in the process of getting my Common Law paperwork written up and notorized. The judges are bound to uphold the Constitution and not the interest of the court (revenue). The jury is there to keep the judge in check.
     
  18. snowborder714

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    No talk of government rules/regulations on this site.

    Oh, and all the other stuff you're spouting off is just ridiculous.
     

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