leet
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- Jan 10, 2003
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Atwater,
California
I want to be the first to live in it...
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I want to be the first to live in it...
So if im reading that right you think someones knife shouldnt be taken away if it killed someone?
Someones car shouldnt be taken away if it was taking part in an act that has killed numerous people?
I would rather be caught street racing and have my car crushed than kill someone while street racing.
Anyone saying its too extreme...I disagree
people shouldve learned their lesson when people started dying.
Property forfeiture is one of the biggest breaches of our legal system ever. And anyone who is agreeing under any circumstance that these cars should have been crushed is a fool who is agreeing with the downfall of our freedoms and legal system.
Wait, this is all a bunch of hippy bullshit.
Hold on there, let me explain. Do you people realize that property ownership (not just land) is the cornerstone of WHY our country exists? That in order to take your property, said property has to be charged with a crime?
Yes, you read that right. Inanimate objects are charged with a crime. Then, since the property cannot defend itself, its then handed over to the state without any red tape.
I wish I was making this up.
First they start with the drug dealers. But since no one wants to be seen as a drug dealer or drug smuggler, they say nothing. Then they came for the street racers. But no one said shit since its illegal.
Next? Firearms. After that? I have no idea. But shame on anyone that supports taking these cars away from their owners for ANY reason. Fines and prison sentances should be handed down, not state sanctioned theft of property.
The funny thing is that most people will read these posts and laugh. The sad thing is they're nothing more than the faceless masses who are directly responsible for all of us losing our rights.
Fight to keep them or lose them.
Yea, they think it's some political radical rant. People generally don't get it. I have to admit that sometimes I get so angry it's just easier to shut down and not pay attention.
Again, let's relate this back to the topic at hand. Politicans use symbols and slogans to get re-elected. Simply put, they can point to the car crushing and say "see what I'm doing about the problem." Same goes as far as money. Why do you think there's so much pork in legislation, because congressmen have to bring home the money. It doesn't matter if it's necessary for the good of the entire country - just their district.
If arresting people and putting them in jail or throwing boatloads of money at a problem worked - then why are drugs still so prevelant? Same goes for street racing, crushing cars probably will have little effect. And I believe that because it doen't seem to be applied equally....like others have said in this thread, they also need to crush other types of vehicles. There needs to be some creative solutions.
Some of the problem stems from our method of licensing. Why does Germany, which is roughly the size of Washington and Oregon and is the crossroads of Europe, have so many vehicles and so few fatal accidents on highways that have higher speed limits than we do? By the way, the autobahn is about 99% speed restricted. The answer is that they train their drivers. It's not sponsored by the govt, ie schools. They pay private instructors and the training is extensive. Let's face it younger drivers do stupid things. You think insurance is more for younger drivers because they can get away with it - no - it's because the statistics show they are more dangerous.
I'm not going to claim to have the answer to the problem. And I agree street racing is very dangerous.
You'd be suprised what hard work can do. I earned well around 10k when I was 18. A part-time job during the school year brought in ~$5000 and a solid summer internship brought in ~$6000.
Granted if I didn't consume anything but car parts it would have been possible... but I know of other internships that paid upwards of $12000 just for the summer.
Don't be too quick to judge!
I get the point, peoples rights and what not. If your breaking the law, at that exact point in time your rights are void.
Selling off the parts from the impounded cars sound like a perfect idea, but when you start thinking about it the time it will take a crew of people to part out the cars would cost more than their worth. And you couldn't just sell off the cars or the parts, they would have to be auctioned off; more time and more expense. California has a higher cost of living, so when were talking about an 18 year old kid making 10000 in one year, thats like someone in the midwest making 5000 at a standard 40 hour week, school and part time summers. And where do most parts come from, california, cheap parts and whole bunch of stupid kids makes for stupid kids in cars that have no ideal how to drive. You put them on a track and every single one of them would crash.
As for stolen parts, if your caught with them even though you have a receipt, their still stolen and your out of luck. Which is why there's places like carfax and others where you can run the vin number against the part number to see if their stolen. A local police station will do it for free if they have the time.
My opinion, if your dumb enough to by stolen parts, tough, if you didnt know, prove it. If your street racing, and you have a history, kiss your s**t goodbye, your the idiot, not the police. If your going a few over, you get a ticket, if your side by side with another car, thats suspicion, you problem, not an officers. It's not just california, idiots are everywhere, and cops aren't too far behind.
Are you effing kidding me? Street racing, and the ridiculous stigma it now holds, CANNOT be a "oh well, you could have been doing it, so i'm going to eff your life up and maybe if you hire a good lawyer and drop a couple grand you'll be okay"If your street racing, and you have a history, kiss your s**t goodbye, your the idiot, not the police. If your going a few over, you get a ticket, if your side by side with another car, thats suspicion, you problem, not an officers. It's not just california, idiots are everywhere, and cops aren't too far behind.