theSicKness
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- Dec 26, 2004
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Belpre,
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FLat rate makes me happy
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A) Morphius, you're making all engineers look bad by your atrocious spelling. Seriously, irregardless??? What the hell. Also, while there is always a "rivalry" between techs and engineers, both sides need each other. Try designing only parts/systems that even a monkey could fix. i've had to do it, it is not easy, nor enjoyable. You, as an engineer, rely on their ability to analyze systems effectively and efficiently.
B) You can justify things lots of different ways, but in the end there is no "tech" out there earning 30$ an hour right out of school. That IS base pay for an engineer. Now, Are there techs that prove to be worth upwards of $80k a year? Of course. How many of them actually like what they do everyday. The one thing I've seen more often than anything else is people who get their degree in auto tech, and then within 3 years go back to school to do something different because they wake up hating themselves everyday. And if you had a car as a hobby, you can forget that as well.
C) Bring UAW into this discussion is worthless, and for that reason I will not discuss it.
D) I really hate the people who pretend engineering and automotive technicians are the same thing. They are not even close, and I go to an automotive engineering school. If any of you techs think that you can do the math, design work, FMEA, or analysis that is everyday in most engineers jobs, let me know. I hold the utmost respect of efficient techs, but they understand that they can't do what I can do, and I understand that I am not nearly as capable as they are doing certain tasks.
E) I'm not sure if morphius is talking about "Alison" transmissions versus GM transmissions, but either way most of them are terrible. I know, I work for a german transmission manufacturer that competes against Alison, and other than their trans' being cheap, they don't have much going for them.
Way to go. Did I ever complain about UAW assembly line workers, or anyone else making more money than I do? Hmm.... let me think. Hmmm..... oh, wow. Guess what? I never did complain. So what if someone who hasn't invested in how much of whatever as I have makes more than I do. Good for him. It seems like you're the one complaining about your pay compared to others.
He has no idea of how much a modern tech needs to invest in schooling, time, tools, etc., not to mention the physical nature of the job, and also why a dealership charges what they charge.
The thread was about if techs were going to be needed in the future or not, not whether it was fair or not that they get paid what they do compared to other fields. You're the one that came along and started crying and whining that although you're an engineer, you don't get paid what you think you should and that techs shouldn't make over $30 per hour.
And yes, I tend to be anal when it comes to grammar and spelling, and I take pride in it, along with my attention to detail in everything I do.
It's perspective. Dozed off in class a little too much? Do yourself a favor and invest in a dictionary, please.
I'm glad you put things in perspective for yourself to see. Again, I'm not the one pissing and moaning about my pay. You are.
He has no idea of how much a modern tech needs to invest in schooling, time, tools, etc., not to mention the physical nature of the job, and also why a dealership charges what they charge.
Justification statement for higher pay? You're right in the aspect, you never made a statement that 'I don't make enough', but you did in regards that the 'overall investment' is justification. Apparently you care and it bothers you I made my statement.
Uhhh... no, it wasn't a justification statement. Sorry to disappoint you. I'm not complaining that I don't make enough, so no, I don't care. Therefore, your statement doesn't bother me in the least. Basically, that whole paragragh of yours there made no sense, as it was all conjecture on your part.
Why are you so bothered by what others get paid? Obviously, they get paid what they do for a reason, and such is the case with any field in any industry you care to discuss. Who are you to question the industry? So really, your opinion is actually irrelevant.
I was wrong. I gave you too much credit. You really aren't a very bright individual after all. For the last time, I'm not the one with an issue regarding my pay or anyone else's, for that matter. You are. So all your responses to me are really moot.
And here's a tip. Irregardless is not a word.
Sorry if you didn't read what you searched for.
ir·re·gard·less (ĭr'ĭ-gärd'lĭs) Pronunciation Key
adv. Nonstandard
Regardless.
[Probably blend of irrespective and regardless.]
Usage Note: Irregardless is a word that many mistakenly believe to be correct usage in formal style, when in fact it is used chiefly in nonstandard speech or casual writing. Coined in the United States in the early 20th century, it has met with a blizzard of condemnation for being an improper yoking of irrespective and regardless and for the logical absurdity of combining the negative ir- prefix and -less suffix in a single term. Although one might reasonably argue that it is no different from words with redundant affixes like debone and unravel, it has been considered a blunder for decades and will probably continue to be so.
irregardless
an erroneous word that, etymologically, means the exact opposite of what it is used to express, attested in non-standard writing from 1912, probably a blend of irrespective and regardless. Perhaps inspired by the double negative used as an emphatic.
You're really hopeless. Even with a dictionary, you still manage to be wrong.
Mercedes Benz already has diagnostic modules that run test and find problems in other modules in the vehicle. Some of the new S classes have over 70 modules, but the irony is when these cars break down it takes our techs longer to diagnose the problem then the older vehicles. Unlike the older cars, techs now have to be computer savy for the new ones, which means taking more and more classes. And when the check engine light comes on the people that can afford these cars don't want to mess with them, they just want them fixed.
As for our labor we are 95/hour for MB and Cadillac, 85/hour for GM Volvo and Nissan. Techs make from 30k - 85k per year. We spend a lot of time and money training our techs so they are all certified and up-to-date on what they need to know to fix and understand the new vehicle systems. We fly techs to Chicago, Las Vegas, and Texas to learn from the Manufactures directly on the new vehicles coming out. Not to mention we spend thousands of dollars on new tools every year. That's why the labor rates are what they are and the techs make what they do.
I agree with a lot of the other guys, work for a dealer and not a small garage. And if someone says there's not going to be a need for techs in the future, they don't know what they're talking about.
My 2 Cents.
For your information, although the word is used, it's not a proper word, as it's a double negative.
And here's a tip. Irregardless is not a word.
As for our labor we are 95/hour for MB and Cadillac, 85/hour for GM Volvo and Nissan. Techs make from 30k - 85k per year. We spend a lot of time and money training our techs so they are all certified and up-to-date on what they need to know to fix and understand the new vehicle systems. We fly techs to Chicago, Las Vegas, and Texas to learn from the Manufactures directly on the new vehicles coming out. Not to mention we spend thousands of dollars on new tools every year. That's why the labor rates are what they are and the techs make what they do.