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xxShaneOmac

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Ok I have owned my DSM for 2 years now and Have wanted one sense 4 years ago.

I allways had it in my mind, Low money FAST car and the looks are there too.

I have never really been to the track that much, and with that being the best way to measure a cars straight power I have kind of been lost in the real power terms for the last couple of years.

Lately I've been at the track a bit more, and Ive been a little more into seeing what does what and watching differnt shows etc.

Now DSM's run anywhere from 17's to 7's and even 6's if we redo every single aspec on them.


But it seems once you get past the part of buying a boost controller and turning up the boost till you get fuel cut, our cars are just as expensive as the next to be "fast" ifnot more.

For a normal DSM to get into the 10's you will need to upgrade ... Everything.
100% of the fuel system, 100% of the intake / turbo / exhaust system, HG, head studs, Cam's. Full Tuning and gauge's, better tires and suspension.

I mean besides the 4G63 bare block, if we really wanna put much down we have to upgrade 90% of the car besides the acutal chassis.

I can watch pinks and pass time and sit at the track all day long and see 800 dollar 5.0 mustangs and old muscle cars drop a 3-4k engine into their car, throw on 2 big tires and run 10's all day long.

So this is kind of, Is a DSM so great beacuse of our block? Do we only stand out on an equal playing field. I.e Pure 4cyn cars? or 4cyn turbo cars?

4G63 AWD is the only real gain I see over other car's and that in itself is a big gain.
But ..... we still have to go just as far as the next guy.


I love these Cars,
I have and will more tons of money and time into these car's.

Im just trying to get my thinking straight.

Feel free to input your thoughts.
 
Our parts are much cheaper than you think they are. For example, look at comparable parts for the evo... basically the same thing yet much more expensive. As a matter of fact I would think that it's the boost gauge and MBC that's "just as expensive" as other cars, since they are generic and the price is the same for all cars.

And we have AWD and FWD and n/t options. I get ~30mpg on my FWD with my turbo as power on demand.

We also have a non-flaming, helpful board.

What other car offers all this?
 
Also, DSMs are great for auto-cross and road racing. Which they don't need a ton of money into suspension, wheels, tires & brakes to be competitive. Of course big V8s are always going to dominate drag. That's what they're built for. DSMs are good at other things. But such a low percent of people venture outside of the 1320. Which is sad.

But, do what makes you happy. Understand that domestic V8s hacve been built with a drag racing future in mind of the assmebly line since the 50's. Maybe earlier. Of course they have it figured out.
 
I think you are missing a big part of muscle racing and that is getting power to the ground. Yeah, you can put a high compression v8 into a car for relatively little money and make pretty big numbers but if you don't back that motor up with suspension, tires, and a rear end you are just going to sit at the line all day making smoke.

Besides, all you have to know about DSMs is which way to turn bolts and a little tuning. To make power on most Detroit motors you have to actually know something about the inside of a motor. You can throw thousands of dollars at internals on a sbc and end up with nothing more than an expensive lazy motor if you don't have a plan or someone who knows what they are doing and you need to know just as much about tuning to make any real power.

Also the cars on Pinks are probably more expensive than you think.
 
-Prices. Evo vs DSM.

The same deal is going on with Toyota vs Lexus.

People that buy 40k+ cars will pay more for mod's thus they charge more for thoes mods.

But yes we do have a cheaper ish view on mods.

Altho I have been looking at mustang parts.
Talk about cheapp!!!

My friend with a 01 cobra is doing a full clutch swap and hes getting a 600whp clutch + fly + disk for 225 brand new.... We cant compete with thoes prices.

And I do not know alot about AutoX. Allways is alot more money required. Just to race its 300+ a day. Ouch...
And how good are our cars? Stock we tear up Auto X with our current suspension? Or do we have to had a grand in tires a grand in coilovers and a grand in brakes?

Should I start looking at DSM vs 4cyn turbo cars? and not so much DSM vs V8's

Even tho everyone says a DSM is a V8Eater!

Again I love DSM's
But just beacuse I love them dosn't mean I cant question their ablity at differnt states.
 
What makes a DSM? What makes our 4cly car better then another 4 cly car? What makes our platform better for racing then another 4cly platform?

- You can buy DSM's for cheap.
- They are already a sports car with racing in its heritage (Unlike most 4cyl's)
- They are rare. Fairly unknown by the public...Sleeper effect is priceless.
- They are AWD and Turbo from the factory...(making racing that much easyier)
- The 4g63 has been proven time and time agian...to be THEE strongest 4cyl to date.
- One of the few 4cly cars to run 14 out of the box.
- One of the few 4cly cars that can run 13's with bolt ons
- One of the few 4 cly cars that can run 12's with a piggy back management.
- one of the few cars that can be a drag car, rally car, land speed car, street car, autox car, grocery getter. all in 1.
- They sound like nothing else.
...lets keep this going.

Idk where you get the idea that our cars are just as expensive as any other car to make fast...becasue for the most part...if the owner is smart and does things right you can make a dsm run 11's on a fiarly simple and cheap upgrade path compared to any other car...never mind other 4cyl's.
 
Good List,

I could be wrong in calling a turbo bolt on.
But it pretty much is.

I was at BOTI and say 12 / 13 seconds turbo civic's acura's honda's etc all day long.

Turbo kit, dsm injectors and slicks and they are in the low 13 possible 12 second state cause of their cars being 800+ pounds lighter.

Idk where you get the idea that our cars are just as expensive as any other car to make fast...becasue for the most part...if the owner is smart and does things right you can make a dsm run 11's on a fiarly simple and cheap upgrade path compared to any other car...never mind other 4cyl's.

I greatly dissagree with this.
We can make our car run "fast" by gutting it chopping everything out. 150 shot and slicks on FWD and hit 10 or 11's

But to make a "reliable" DD into the 11's takes a full upgrade path of everything.
I have spent an easy 10k into my car, and its not capable of 11's.

Altho I did buy a thousand dollar turbo that flows the same as an EVO3 and I spent the money on the parts and didnt buy 20k used parts. I think that the average DSM is not into the 11's.
 
A turbo is NOT a bolt on for any car.

A turbo is FACTORY on a DSM witch is the whole apeal of our cars.

Upgrading to a turbo on a N/A car is a huge fabrication, engine over haul, fuel and computer over haul. Huge money.

Upgrading a tubro on an already turbo car isa piece of pie...especialy if you choose to stay with the factory flange. (13b, 14b, 16g, t25, t28, 18g). The motor is already built for a turbo...so no changes there....and you just need to swap a pump and injectors....give it a tune and your street car is whooping v8's. Cheaper and easyier. Plus you know the stock dsm block has been proven for the power.
 
And I do not know alot about AutoX. Allways is alot more money required. Just to race its 300+ a day. Ouch...

Autox is not expensive at all. $50 max per day for entry fees. You're probably thinking about road racing wish can be $150 - $300ish per day.

I don't even know where to start with this thread. Comparing an Eclipse with a Mustang is like comparing an apple to an orange. It just can't/shouldn't be done.

I guess the main thing you're complaining about is how people say our cars are great, but their $$ to power ratio is not good when compared to other fast cars. If you don't like it, go buy a Honda :p

Not all of us dump a lot of money into the cars and not all of us race to place 1st or get a sub 10 second track pass. A lot of us race because we love to do it, not to win. Yes, I'm sure there are plenty of cars out there that can be faster for cheaper. Another thing to keep in mind is those cars are either full-out track cars or the person started with a beat up shell and did a half-ass job. Most of the people on this forum build cars that can multi-task. They are daily drivers that can run sub 11 second passes or can spank a 911 on a road course. And they look darn good doing it :thumb:

I would much rather put money into a car that can excel in multiple areas and be reliable and good looking, than something that might last a season or two and is only driven at the track.
 
Do you REALLY want a bunch of DSMers to compare our cars to V8's and Honda's? Your always going to get a biased opinion no matter where you ask this question. Those V8 cars are WAY more expensive if found in good condition, and done the right way. Plus, how many V8's boast about their gas mileage, but can do a simple tune, run 11's that weekend, then go back to normal with another tune...Ponder on that...

Autox is not expensive at all. $50 max per day for entry fees. You're probably thinking about road racing wish can be $150 - $300ish per day.

I don't even know where to start with this thread. Comparing an Eclipse with a Mustang is like comparing an apple to an orange. It just can't/shouldn't be done.

I guess the main thing you're complaining about is how people say our cars are great, but their $$ to power ratio is not good when compared to other fast cars. If you don't like it, go buy a Honda :p

Not all of us dump a lot of money into the cars and not all of us race to place 1st or get a sub 10 second track pass. A lot of us race because we love to do it, not to win. Yes, I'm sure there are plenty of cars out there that can be faster for cheaper. Another thing to keep in mind is those cars are either full-out track cars or the person started with a beat up shell and did a half-ass job. Most of the people on this forum build cars that can multi-task. They are daily drivers that can run sub 11 second passes or can spank a 911 on a road course. And they look darn good doing it :thumb:

I would much rather put money into a car that can excel in multiple areas and be reliable and good looking, than something that might last a season or two and is only driven at the track.

Great minds (or just DSMers) think alike:p
 
I greatly dissagree with this.
We can make our car run "fast" by gutting it chopping everything out. 150 shot and slicks on FWD and hit 10 or 11's

But to make a "reliable" DD into the 11's takes a full upgrade path of everything.
I have spent an easy 10k into my car, and its not capable of 11's.

Thats owner error. Here in new eng the average times ar 12's to 11's...most are still on 16g's and pump gas. 90 % are street cars and are driven all year round. We have 6 stock turbo (14b cars) are running 12's, and a hand full of 16g cars pulling 11's.

We all joke around about how shitty the cars are and how fast they go with little to nothing....they are mostly on stock (busted ass) supension, stock 100k + engines, rotting out like a nail in water.

Here is our local times. (Go on the honda, nissan, subaru...ect. forums and find me these averages.)



8's

8.979 @156.14, 1.371, RWD Talon, GT4294, 100 shot to spool, kjewer1, Kevin Jewer

9's
9.617 @150.80, 1.433, 95 Talon AWD, FP 3575 Doug E (Doug's Auto)
9.635 @150.27, 1.540, 91 Eclipse GSX, GTK1000/850, Raif Fejzo
9.692 @141.04, 1.419, 92 Talon RWD, BR T4 60Tr, Bruce K - RWD Talon, Bruce K.
9.913 @145.58, 1.537, 92 Galant VR4, FP40R, GarageDefeat, Built, Tuned, & Driven by Dan S.
9.933 @ 143.93, 1.443, 92 Talon AWD, FP 3565 HTA, Mightymouse Racer, Bruce K. (Leon R. driver)
9.993 @140.59 , 1.506, 95 Eclipse GSX, GT4094R, Driven, Tony N.

10's

10.123 @138.08, 1.643, 94 Talon AWD, FP3575, GreenMachine, Leon R.
10.289 @134.78, 1.521, 95 Talon TSI AWD, FP3575 blackawdturbo, Bill K.
10.327 @117.00, 1.486, 97 talon AWD, FP3582HTA, jltsi, James Lombardo
10.469 @132.00, 1.620, 91 Talon, GT37R, MikeRizz. Mike R.
10.543 @ 143.78 1.725 , 99 GSX , GARRETT GT42R, Mr T, Rick F
10.636 @134.11, 1.708, 96 Eclipse GSX, FP3575, fjo_newport, Joe R
10.766 @134.42, 1.718, 03 EVO, 35R, 1slowevo, Paul Hurst
10.798 @134.85, 1.601, 91 Talon AWD 2.3L, GT30R, 2.3strokdTalon, Justin G.
10.805 @118.81, 1.564, 90 Eclipse GSX, FP3065, Kevin90GSX, Kevin Bernier
10.896 @131.41, 1.706, 90 Eclipse GSX, FP green, oittehgaps, Nick S.
10.932 @127.78, 1.502, 91 Talon TSI AWD, FP 3052, JimmyBlueTSI, Jimmy Read

11's

11.125 @125.17, 1.623, 99 Eclipse GSX, FP Red 7cm, nichols, Chris N
11.189 @126.49, 1.589, 90 Talon AWD, Mutt 5, mrandall, Mike R.
11.228 @132.36, 1.711, 92 Laser RS AWD, T4 35R, KyleCim, Kyle Cimbron
11.232 @130.59, 1.852, 99 GSX, FP3575, twov8sandat4, Panos
11.301 @126.46, 1.734, 95 Talon AWD, FP Green, Korndogg, Tommy R.
11.328 @125.95, 1.789, 95 Eclipse GSX, AGP T67, kjewer1, Kevin Jewer
11.369 @126.76, 1.808, 91 Galant VR4, FP 3575, mitsu matt, Matt B.
11.505 @120.92, 1.657, 92 EVO clone, 16g, mitsurage, Ryan P.
11.510 @123.59, 1.668, 95 Eclipse GSX, 35R, HYBOOST, Kyle L
11.510 @120.78, 1.708, 93 Talon AWD, 20g, mrandall, Mike R.
11.512 @121.61, 1.730, 92 Eclipse GSX, EVOIII 16g, gsx1992, Matt T.
11.522 @123.85, 1.757, 93 Talon AWD, FP3575, zedder24, Greg B.
11.579 @117.73, 1.636, 04 EVO RS, Stock 16G, Jlevo8, James
11.599 @122.83, 1.712, 91 Talon AWD, FP Red, JoJo, Greg J.
11.608 @127.71, 1.874, 91 Eclipse GSX, 60 trim t3/t4, turbobrian, Brian C.
11.625 @120.93, 1.709, 92 Galant VR4, BR500, Bruce K, Bruce K.
11.688 @119.13, 1.739, 91 TSi AWD, Big16g(pumpgas), turbofonz, Ryan W.
11.689 @113.40, 1.714, 98 GSX AWD, GT30R, TurboedV6, Joe R.
11.701 @117.23, 1.750, 04 EVO RS, Stock 16G, mitsu matt, Matt Burns
11.709 @119.26, 1.725, 91 Eagle Talon TSi, Evo3 16g, zedder24, Greg B.
11.776 @117.78, 1.660, 99 Eclipse GSX, Evo III 16g, Turbo99, Brad Anderson
11.825 @117.55, 1.676, 97 Eclipse GSX, Evo III 16G, ShapeGSX, Josh Wingell
11.843 @117.44, 1.752, 92 Talon AWD, BR 20G, CBBoost, Chris Blanc
11.857 @117.09, 1.742, 93 Talon Tsi AWD, 60-1, BoyBeaterTSi, Danielle B.
11.899 @115.28, 1.671, 98 Eclipse GS-T, FP3052, ypena02, Yomar Pena

12's

12.019 @117.00, 1.899, 90 Talon Tsi AWD, FP Green, red90awd, Chris Bennett
12.028 @112.88, 1.665, 96 Talon AWD, Evo III 16g, KLikLo, Ivan B.
12.029 @122.25, 1.939, 92 Laser RS AWD, SCM61, EVT_Chris, Chris M
12.071 @115.93, 1.713, 92 Eclipse GSX, Big 16G, Bill Perreault, Blue92GSX
12.092 @114.25, 1.855, 03 EVO, Backwards 16g, blackawdturbo, Bill K.
12.256 @113.16, 1.882, '03 Evo, stock 16G, Jack_of_Trades, Jamie Harvey
12.279 @111.23, 1.752, 03 Evo VIII, Stock Turbo, evo8asti, Kevin D.
12.309 @112.50, 1.849, 97 Talon AWD, 20g.Codyc,Cody creekmore
12.310 @110.76, 1.752, 98 Talon AWD, big 16G, MrHDTV, Scott T
12.325 @ 112.38, 1.819, 91 Galant VR4, FP-Green, Rigle1818, Nick E.
12.353 @112.28, 1.806, 90 Talon AWD, Small 16G, Greg W, Greg White
12.360 @113.45, 1.788, 90 Talon AWD, Evo3 16G, TakumiJr, Tak O.
12.372 @109.18, 1.843, 06 Evo MR, stock turbo, DocCola, Ajay Colacchio
12.300 @111.80, 1.958, 03 Evo VIII, IX Turbo, partyboy1122, Felipe C
12.429 @108.80, 1.764, 91 Talon AWD , EVOIII 16G, CutlassJim, James R.
12.431 @113.41, 1.808, 95 Eclipse GSX, EVO3 16g, TheRomer, Chris Winchell
12.438 @117.17, 2.017, 96 Eclipse RS, BW 366, Mark Bullett, Mark Bullett
12.492 @119.80, 2.094, 98 GSX, SCM61, Juso, Jae S.
12.497 @110.90, 1.795, 92 TSI AWD, 20g, Dave A, Dave A.
12.502 @111.81, 1.748, 95 Talon AWD. evo 3 16g, Boostfreak, Anthony T.
12.522 @111.87, 1.722, 98 Eclipse GSX, PTE 50 trim, big16ggsx, Brian L
12.523 @111.00, 1.966, 92 Hyundai Elantra, 14b, Doug E, Doug E.
12.523 @110.19, 1.720, 98 Eclipse GSX, EVOIII 16G, ChadS, Chad S
12.530 @108.50, 1.809, 91 Eclipse GSX, 14b, mrandall, Mike Randall
12.624 @108.21, 1.780, 90 Talon AWD, 16g, mitsu matt, Matt B.
12.632 @110.09, 1.792, 99 Eclipse GSX, small 16g, 99 DSM AWD, John F.
12.646 @108.96, 1.782, 06 EVO MR, stock, dexmix, Dexter F.
12.697 @107.86, 1.771, 93 Talon AWD, 14B, RCH, Roy Haley
12.732 @106.38, 1.956, 91 Eclipse GS Turbo FWD, FP18G-6SL2, Dominic
12.737 @107.10, 1.786, 91 Eclipse GSX, 14b, mrandall, Mike Randall
12.780 @110.06, 1.911, 95 Talon TSI, Evo 16g, TurboTopGun, Sean Killilea
12.781 @106.77, 1.778, 97 Talon AWD, 16g, Brian, Brian E.
12.799 @107.80, 1.679, 2.3L stroker, gt30r, cfisette, Chris F.
12.820 @113.86, 2.169, 97 Spyder GS-T, Evo III 16G, CatchMe, Zach B.
12.832 @109.60, 2.088, 92 Hyundai Elantra, 14b, ChadS, Chad S.
12.838 @102.62, 1.819, 95 Eclipse GSX, Evo 3 16g. David Bean
12.855 @108.69, 1.795 91 Talon AWD big 16g, clean1g, Roger P.
12.907 @107.05, 1.815, 90 Talon AWD, 14b, GotTurbo11, Dan A
12.910 @106.99, 2.013, 97 Talon AWD A/T, XS 16G, TailChaser, Shawn G.
12.933 @108.34, 1.902, 03 EVO 8, stock turbo, BREVO8, Brian P
12.930 @114.15, 2.018, 05 Evo 8, Stock Snail, MrHDTV, Scott
12.977 @106.85, 1.793, 92 Laser RS, 16G, 1GawdRS, Jeff B.
 
For a normal DSM to get into the 10's you will need to upgrade ... Everything.
100% of the fuel system, 100% of the intake / turbo / exhaust system, HG, head studs, Cam's. Full Tuning and gauge's, better tires and suspension.

I can watch pinks and pass time and sit at the track all day long and see 800 dollar 5.0 mustangs and old muscle cars drop a 3-4k engine into their car, throw on 2 big tires and run 10's all day long.
Those Mustangs need to upgrade the same factory parts to run 10's as we do.
10-second Mustangs don't utilize factory carbeurators, fuel pumps, fasteners, exhausts, etc... They have to upgrade the same parts. Some of their parts are cheaper than our and some are more. For example, an aftermarket intake manifold for a small-block Chevy will cost a fraction of one for a 4G63, but a set of 650cc or 850cc injectors will typically cost less than the average 650-850 CFM double-pumper.

It's hit or miss. Don't think that these guys just drop in a 4K engine and that's it though. $4K is more than enough to get a DSM in the 10's anyway. Joe Bucci is a prime example of that.

Also, it's nothing more than a gear ratio change to make more RWD V8's run what they want. I can say one thing though - A 10-second car that tops itself out at 110 MPH does not impress me one bit. Make it run solid 10's on a DSM final drive, and I'll commend that.

My friend with a 01 cobra is doing a full clutch swap and hes getting a 600whp clutch + fly + disk for 225 brand new.... We cant compete with thoes prices.
With all due respect, those are not average retail prices. I sell Ram, Hays, Centerforce, Fidanza, etc.. clutches and flywheels for Mustangs, and they all cost way more than $225. He's either getting a hook-up of some sort (which infers someone lost money along the supply chain), or he's buying some no-name, eBay, China product.
 
Like I said guys I love DSM's.

But in all reality.
Joe Bucci is not the average DSM.

And again.
Drift SM. you pointed it out.
I said to make a reliable 11 second car I have spend x money.
You said all the cars in your list are busted ass huge mileage rust tins.
Obvously they are buying 2nd hand parts and dirt prices and hopping for the best.

Go down the Mod list on this site add up the brand new prices with install on biger things and tell me you should be into the 11's any sooner then 5k about someone who cares about their car.

Turbo -1k
Clutch w/ install - 1100
EProm + DSMLink - 700
Gauge - 450
Injectors + Walbro - 400
Intake Exhaust - 800
HG HS Cams 600 + install
Shocks springs tires 1.5 - 2k
And there are many more - AFRP lines hoses small things etc.

If you do it right its not every single DSM + 4k = 11's and gets you to the store and your job everyday.

People think that its easy like that its not.

But the fact that DSM's can go from your DD to a track queen to an auto queen is a HUGE +1 that most other cars the same price cannot do with their huge slicks.
 
Well, there's your problem - you're including the word "install" in your price quotes :p

I'm just messing with you. But no, it's not cheap to get a reliable car in the 11's. Some people do go with all used parts, some people go with all new parts. There are cheaper ways and more expensive ways to get to an 11 second car. I'm sure with a few fuel upgrades, tuning/logging device(s), turbo, and a few other things, you could get there. Not saying that's the right way to do it, but you don't need to upgrade cams, suspension, or maybe even exhaust to get to 11's.

And after upgrading all of that, you'll probably need to do a bunch of maintenance which will up the price even more.
 
Just to get the whole muscle car thing out of the way, DON'T ever, ever think that building those heavy, boat looking cars is cheap. To build a 10 sec muscle cars my friend has spent 25k. Yeah the 5.0 are the best power to weight ratio muscle car, but those cars to run low 10's DO need more than 4k. With 5k you can make your DSM run low 11's and and even high 10's, just need to know what you doing. Try buying a borla exhaust for a WS6 for 600 bucks...my friend spent $2200 for his 2001 trans am. Spend the money wisely period.
 
I'm so much happier with my Mustang than I am my DSM.

End of story.
 
I greatly dissagree with this.
We can make our car run "fast" by gutting it chopping everything out. 150 shot and slicks on FWD and hit 10 or 11's

But to make a "reliable" DD into the 11's takes a full upgrade path of everything.
I have spent an easy 10k into my car, and its not capable of 11's.

Altho I did buy a thousand dollar turbo that flows the same as an EVO3 and I spent the money on the parts and didnt buy 20k used parts. I think that the average DSM is not into the 11's.

Both DSMs and Evos can run 10s on the stock block with full interior and be driven on the street.

Corys Team STM 2G Talon goes 10.94@126 STOCK MOTOR- Video

STM Evo 10.1@137 Stock Block World Record- Video
 
I know they CAN.

Im really not about what limit has been reached.

If 1 supra in the world ran a 1 second quarter mile and the rest couldnt get passed a 12 sec time slip what would owning a supra matter.


There are the people who somehow peice it all together and make magic happen.
But Im talking your average person who logs into this site and knows their decent amount about cars and their car and puts in a healthy little bit of cash into their car.

Not some Shop who have spent ton's of money and custom manifolds etc..
 
I know they CAN.

Im really not about what limit has been reached.

If 1 supra in the world ran a 1 second quarter mile and the rest couldnt get passed a 12 sec time slip what would owning a supra matter.


There are the people who somehow peice it all together and make magic happen.
But Im talking your average person who logs into this site and knows their decent amount about cars and their car and puts in a healthy little bit of cash into their car.

Not some Shop who have spent ton's of money and custom manifolds etc..


Cory's Talon is not a shop car and he's not rich either; he just does paint and body.

In the end it's only about what makes you happy. I love everything about DSMs; the look, the feel, the drive, the history, and the potential. If your not happy with you DSM, get something else.

As for the Supra. Most people own a Supra, because it's a Supra; just the same as why I like DSMs over anything else.
 
Why not sell your car and buy a Mustang then come back in a year and tell us about it?

11s or better is pretty much not ever going to be cheap in a car. If you want to go fast without a lot of bank go buy a bike and you can do it all day for pennies. Just because the DSM is cheap speed doesn't actually mean you can go fast for nothing it means you can go fast for less.
 
You are all becoming very senseless.

I have told you
I love DSM's
I love my DSM.

But Im calling them out, If I want a mustang I will buy one.

I personally want to be the guy that has had his car from the age of pre 20 to 65 and Ill wax her every weekend.. You know..

But at the same Time I love my car, but I hate the fact that it COULD crank walk, Im not going to sell it and walk away.

I dont like the fact that my car didn't come stock with a bigger turbo, Im not going to sell it.

But I can talk about DSM's and what they are "known" for and their call to fame.

There have been alot of good points brought up in this thread, and some points that just havn't been made by any post kind leave me wanting..
 
There are the people who somehow peice it all together and make magic happen.
This 'magic' that you speak of is nothing more than the combination of knowledge, a goal, and determination. Winners aren't winners by chance.

Joe B. broke into the 11s with a total investment of $1800.00 including the car. He did that by utilizing the three things I mentioned above. He was smart enough to know what it took, or to at least use what he had to the best of it's ability. His goal was to mold his car to become quicker and faster with time. And he was determined to keep at it, constantly improving yesterday's best. And he succeeded.

The reason that the average DSMer doesn't run 10's like Joe, is because that average DSMer doesn't share the same goal(s) as him.

Also don't discount some people's ability to "make things happen". Many guys know how and where to find parts at a discount, install them themselves, properly tune the car, etc... The last time I did a clutch job, I spend a total of $250 for a new Fidanza clutch, a new Fidanza flywheel, and labor (myself). That's $850 less than your figure. Deals like this can help you go faster-for-less in many cases.

A local to me is running mid-10's on a stock longblock with cams. He tunes with a chip only. He's not magic; he's just smart and knows what he can accomplish with what he's got.
 
This 'magic' that you speak of is nothing more than the combination of knowledge, a goal, and determination. Winners aren't winners by chance.

Joe B. broke into the 11s with a total investment of $1800.00 including the car. He did that by utilizing the three things I mentioned above. He was smart enough to know what it took, or to at least use what he had to the best of it's ability. His goal was to mold his car to become quicker and faster with time. And he was determined to keep at it, constantly improving yesterday's best. And he succeeded.

The reason that the average DSMer doesn't run 10's like Joe, is because that average DSMer doesn't share the same goal(s) as him.

Also don't discount some people's ability to "make things happen". Many guys know how and where to find parts at a discount, install them themselves, properly tune the car, etc... The last time I did a clutch job, I spend a total of $250 for a new Fidanza clutch, a new Fidanza flywheel, and labor (myself). That's $850 less than your figure. Deals like this can help you go faster-for-less in many cases.

A local to me is running mid-10's on a stock longblock with cams. He tunes with a chip only. He's not magic; he's just smart and knows what he can accomplish with what he's got.

Amen. I'm still not sure as to what your getting at with this thread other than wanting to argue points that you are continuously being proven wrong on. If you really want to get started on the almighty "crankwalk" bull, I'll be happy to slap up the huge thread about how rare it actually is if you do proper maintenance and don't have 200xxx miles on your car trying to boost up to 27psi. Your wasting your time here. The 4g63 is the strongest 4 cylinder motor to hit the shores of the US PERIOD. It has been proven time and time again, that the cost of the car+mods is the best "bang for your buck" that you can get. What more are you wanting from this?:toobad:
 
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