3G's in a month......... OH WHAT TO DO?

[JeRmZ]

Here is the deal, I need some good info! I have about 3G's coming in a month and I wanna drop it all into the engine! NO TURBO KITS! again NO TURBO KITS! so I wanna know if you had 3G's to put in your engine what would you do............................ NO TURBO KITS!!!! I already have ... intake, exhaust, plug wires, plugs, and all the basic mods! I'm talking some serious S**T Internally!!!! all your input and where to find the GOOD STUFF would be much appreciated!

 

[OnoSendi]

Definately a port and polish to your intake manifold and your cylendar head. Cam gears, cam shafts, higher compression pistons (since your anti-turbo), while your down there you might want to just throw some new rods in. Definately a fuel pressure regulator (FPR) to get some more fuel flowin. That would probably cover 3 g's, and you'd notice a BIG difference.

 

[91 NT Eclipse]

turbo kit







Higher comp pistons, more fuel, AFC to control it all, beast head(porting, cams...)

 

[top_end95]

Howell automotive makes a 2.2 stroker kit (that would be my choice) and if you do get it get the 12:1 compression.........with money left over maybe UDP, port & polish head,Jeep TB, port match the intake manifold for the TB. my two cents.

 

[JeRmZ]

Kewl......... I'll have to check in to the stroker kit, sounds nice! I know I'm def. going with the port and polish! just don't know what new internals to go with! and I'm trying to get the most power from my n/t without a DAMB TURBO! I just don't have the money to maintain the upkeep that comes with a TURBO! any more suggestions and comments would be great....... and if you could supply websites as well I would appreciate it! PEACE!

 

[top_end95]

http://www.howellautomotive.com
http://www.modernperformance.com/index2.shtml
Later.

 

[KRAZYKOREAN]

You can do anything you want to build for all motor for the car but slapping on a turbo kit on stock 420a motor you will make more power...but if you don't want turbo man you better run some 13:1 compression...and a wet nitrous kit....

 

[98Turbbo420A]

You've got 3k coming in a month and you don't want a turbo kit? Well hoenstly if you're looking to make any kind of power you want a turbo kit. If you don't want a turbo kit but still want power, sell your car and use the 3k on a down payment for a turbo car. That's my only suggestion to you, you can't use 12.5:1 pistons on 93 octane...the motor just won't run right! 10.5:1 is the highest you can go on pump gas, and even then you're looking at MAYBE 200hp, MAYBE!!! Sorry for the info but that's the truth!

 

[umiami80]

Turbo is the way to go, sorry, the only way, $3000 would do it nicely too, go for turbo, yeah turbo, wowowowowow Turbo like tha man said.
























did I hear Turbo?

 

[top_end95]

why wouldnt 12:1 run right on pump gas??

 

[top_end95]

and does anyone else see what hes writing.......NO TURBO!......im takin the same route as him all-motor, and then later on down the line a turbo but as for right now ALL-MOTOR.Later

 

[TalonRacer18]

I dont get why not to go turbo, you cant go wrong, there is basically no upkeep, if you want to have a fast car, then of course you are gonna have to take care of it, and repair it alot, but that is just one of the of downs of having a fast car.

The reason higher comp pistons wont work on 93 octane is because of ...detonation.

 

[JeRmZ]

O.K. O.K ............ here is something to ponder........ run through the TURBO section of this site and see exactly how many people are in there complaining of there car being down, OH my turbo's blown, have a boost leak, OH this OH that!!!! why would anyone want there DAILY DRIVEN car(mine) down on a regular basis! NOT ME........ that is why I'm not going TURBO!!!!!! FOOLISH! I'm not at the friggin track everyday of my life I just want a little more power and ALL MOTOR!!!!!!! I know it can be done and I know it can be done without TURBO! So I wrote this post in hopes to get some good info on how to build up all motor ... thanks to those who have actually came up with some good(onosendi & top end95)!!! if all you have to say is GO TURBO, save your CARPEL TUNNEL some stress and DO NOT post a reply!
and last!!! let's just say that I was going with a turbo! you think that 3G's is gonna cover everything and that I'll just be able to slap a turbo on and call it a day!!!!! NO NO NO....... then there is everything that comes with TURBO..... Internals, exhaust, guages, controllers, timers, blah blah blah BLAH.......... so for maybe 5-6G's YES I could have a nice TURBO set up, but if you'll notice I only have 3! so why would I wanna do something if it's not going to be done right!!!!

 

[top_end95]

Originally posted by TalonRacer18

The reason higher comp pistons wont work on 93 octane is because of ...detonation.

how would it detonate?? can you go into explanation???

 

[TimG]

You'd detonate because the lower octane gas has more energy and will ignite when it is not supposed to with high compression pistons. Usually on the compression stroke of the motor.

Now this guys says when he goes to the turbo forum, everyone says their car is broken.

Firstly, there are more people on DSMtuners with turbo cars so of course you will hear more bad things from turbo cars. While at the same time hear good things about them.

Secondly, most people modify turbo cars opposed to n/t. Therefor, the avg turbo block will have to withstand up to 300hp, while the n/t has to withstand on avg 140hp. I wonder what will have more problems. If you don't want the problems, get a boost controller and run 7-10psi daily driving. Your engine will have 200 hp easy for under $1k as opposed to all motor for $3-5k.

Thirdly, minimal horsepower gains can be made from thousands of dollars spent on all motor cars.

Forth, if you run 'all motor' aftermarket performance parts, you're more prone to having problems then any turbo cars. You just can't turn down the compression on the pistons like you can with a boost controller.

Fifth, all motor cars aren't "bolt - ons" usually. You need to go internally with pistons, rods, cams, etc. Therefor, it is more a pain in the ass to install and fix (you will fix a lot internally with high high compression pistons).

Sixth, it's way easier to find turbo parts.

Seventh, spend the remaining cash on a new paint job or your girlfriend.... ummm, new paint job.

 

[umiami80]

.K. O.K ............ here is something to ponder........ run through the TURBO section of this site and see exactly how many people are in there complaining of there car being down, OH my turbo's blown, have a boost leak, OH this OH that!!!! why would anyone want there DAILY DRIVEN car(mine) down on a regular basis! NOT ME........ that is why I'm not going TURBO!!!!!! FOOLISH! I'm not at the friggin track everyday of my life I just want a little more power and ALL MOTOR!!!!!!! I know it can be done and I know it can be done without TURBO! So I wrote this post in hopes to get some good info on how to build up all motor ... thanks to those who have actually came up with some good(onosendi & top end95)!!! if all you have to say is GO TURBO, save your CARPEL TUNNEL some stress and DO NOT post a reply!
and last!!! let's just say that I was going with a turbo! you think that 3G's is gonna cover everything and that I'll just be able to slap a turbo on and call it a day!!!!! NO NO NO....... then there is everything that comes with TURBO..... Internals, exhaust, guages, controllers, timers, blah blah blah BLAH.......... so for maybe 5-6G's YES I could have a nice TURBO set up, but if you'll notice I only have 3! so why would I wanna do something if it's not going to be done right!!!!



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Very true, run the same thing through people who don't have a turbo


" OHHH MY CAR IS SLOW, OHHHHHHHH I JUST GOT BEAT BY A HONDA ODYSEY MINI VAN, OH WHY CAN'T I MAKE MORE THE 250 HP BEFORE CABLUEY? wHY CAN'T MY ALL MOTOR CAR BE FAST? WILL BOREING THE THROTTE BODY MAKE ME FASTER? WHAT ABOUT CHIPS? a TURBO EXHUAST? WHAT IS TORQUE?"


Truth be told, if your not breaking shit, then you ain't going fast enough. WANT SPEED, get a turbo, will make more HP then any other power adder, many idiots on this site why cannot upkeep a turbo car so we haver many problems, but otherwise they are fine cars, damn fine.

 

[JeRmZ]

TimG: your telling me that I can get a TURBO kit and all the goodies for under a "G"..... tell me where and I'll be the first in line to get one, as I'm sure a thousand people would! you are right on one subject though... the fact the n/t cars have problems as well, TRUE but not as much as a TURBOed car does(FACT)check consumer reports digest! and if you can also tell me where to get a car that does not have any problems I'll be the first in line to get one, any car is going to have problems at some time!

umiami80: One thing............ I have never complained about my car being slow......... I actually think it's pretty quick for just a FOUR BANGER N/T.......

 

[special_K86]

Dude, people! Why don't you guys keep on the topic of helping him out with a ALL MOTOR set up. Jermz, i'm going with a built block and head from www.rpmextreme.com. I've heard a lot of good stuff. I haven't heard anything bad from them on this site or 2gnt. And 'you can just go w/ 10:5:1 compression pistons. They'll still give you the gains you want.
- Kevin

 

[JeRmZ]

Thank you............. This is what I am looking for HELP real HELP not some ass telling me I can go TURBO for under a "G"!!!! HAAAAAAAAAAA! anyway man thanks for the site.... I'll have to check it out and see what they offer! I looked at the Howell 2.2 stroker and it does look nice..... BUT lemme check this out! RIGHT ON!

 

[JeRmZ]

Right on Special k86...... Nice Nice Nice! exactly what I was looking for! I'm ordering next month!
PEACE!

 

[TimG]

Originally posted by umiami80
" OHHH MY CAR IS SLOW, OHHHHHHHH I JUST GOT BEAT BY A HONDA ODYSEY MINI VAN, OH WHY CAN'T I MAKE MORE THE 250 HP BEFORE CABLUEY? wHY CAN'T MY ALL MOTOR CAR BE FAST? WILL BOREING THE THROTTE BODY MAKE ME FASTER? WHAT ABOUT CHIPS? a TURBO EXHUAST? WHAT IS TORQUE?"

Ha Haa. That is about the funniest piece of info I've seen. I still laugh when I read it.

If you are doing the 1G N/T to turbo, you CAN do it for under a grand if you shop around for parts. I didn't notice your a 420a guy.

Also, I used to be one of those guys who wanted all motor engine. I was very anti-turbo for the same reasons you are. The fact of the matter is this though. The 420a and the 4G63 are very similar in strengths. It doesn't matter if you put 250HP into it with a turbo or with high compression piston, stroker and cams. 250HP is 250HP and the block can't withstand 250HP longer then it will handle stock 135HP.

Stock 200HP from the turbo model will have more problems then the stock 135HP... or 140HP (420a) the N/T has. 200HP on "Block A" will not last as long as 140HP on the same "Block A," simply because there is more stress with 200HP. Yet, if you can tune ignition/base timing, fuel managment and do all tune ups. That 200HP car will last a life time.

I don't want you to convert to the 'turbo side.' I just don't want you to learn the hard way. The hard way is $$$$. You have many more options with a turbo car (ie - boost controllers). Don't be hating on me. Just see my point of view.

If you are still wanting an all motor car, buy a stroker, cams, high comp forged pistons and all the fuel mods needed.

 

[special_K86]

Well the thing i suggested was getting a pre-built block from a place. That would take care of it wearing down on the block. It does suck that we won't be pushing close to 300 hp on a all motor set up, but we'll still be able to take a lot of cars and we'll still be pretty fast, just not as fast of turbo. But for some people thats all we want. This guy is like me, we wont have the money to keep up with a turbo car and he doesn't plan on going to the track a lot, just having a little fun around town. He's only got 3 G's and that would only take care of the turbo kit. Prefrebly i would love to turbo my car, just don't got the $. - Kevin

 

[JeRmZ]

RIGHT ON everyone, I know it got a little heated for a while but hey we are all still alive! I'm definitely checkin out that site you left special k86... I'm going to get the ball rolling in a few days... I'll keep in touch and let everyone know the outcome! PEACE

 

[LifeRollsOn]

Originally posted by TimG
You'd detonate because the lower octane gas has more energy and will ignite when it is not supposed to with high compression pistons. Usually on the compression stroke of the motor.

I thought detonation occours becauset the lower octane's have LESS carbon atoms so there for Lower temperatures can ignite it I.E. the temperatures of your hot engine and that hot air gettin smashed together by the piston

 

[SharpShooter34]

Go to www.paeco.com email them and get a free catalog. Order some custom made Titanium connecting rods (I think $528), oversized pistons (any bore size and any compression for $420), send in your crank and have it knife edged and the journals nickle chromed, have your head ported, upgrade your valve train (valve springs, retainers, etc...paeco has good deals on that too). If you need to info on paeco quick I can scan the page of the catalog you are looking for and email it to you. They do custom cams. Their stage two cam: "This grind is for slaloms and wild street use. It gives very strong acceleration in the 3200-6800 RPM range and will rev to 7800 in a properly prepared engine. Int: 29/61 Exh: 65/25 Duration: 270 Lift: .415" Necessary mods: 10-11:1 compression, full PAECO valvetrain, echaust headers, racing ignition, and free-flow exhaust. Optional: modified cylinder head, copper head gasket, chrome-moly rods, oversized valves." They do a lot of work with cars in SCCA drag competitions. They sell a stage 3 naturally aspirated 2.0 Mitsubishi engine that makes 304 HP no spray for $8500. Check them out. I'm sure you can find a way to get big gains and spend the 3K.

Shooter