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Its not necessarily the fact that any motor will make good power with 30lbs of boost thrown at it, it's that the 4g63 will handle it in stock form. I think that's what he meant by "dat 4g63". No one really cares about the 4g63's N/A power because well, if you're trying to make power with it in N/A form then you are doing something horribly wrong. I praise it because my bone stock high mileage 6 bolt before I did a full rebuild took 28psi from my 50 trim driven hard on a daily basis. And the rebuild wasn't even from failure, just to freshen it up.

You can say the same thing about a lot of motors. The point still stands; there is nothing vainglorious about the 4g63, and DSM's are fast because people run a million pounds of boost with big turbos. That isn't special, that's just physics.
 
What do you mean by cutout? I can get a downpipe I found one but im seeing thats its completley worthless with a stock cat

Yea a cutout by before the cat... Like i said i ran 106 with a stock cat n downpipe that should get ya in the 12's with awd not completely worthless.

I say dat 4g63 cause how many old motors can ya get 350-400hp with stock internals, I'm not talkin new motors as your Kia prob. Didnt cost as much as my gst. I'm talking older cars that need rods/ pistons and a host of other upgrades to make some power. My ol protege5 fsde motor comes t mind
 
You can say the same thing about a lot of motors. The point still stands; there is nothing vainglorious about the 4g63, and DSM's are fast because people run a million pounds of boost with big turbos. That isn't special, that's just physics.

How are you going to bash your ex like that? Did someone get their heart broken?:p

To OP. If you build a race car, you need to sell it as a race car. Trying to sell a race car to the general public who are looking a consumer cars is going to end in a mistaken identity. We all know most cars depreciate and we never get back what we put in. Nature of the beast.
 
How are you going to bash your ex like that? Did someone get their heart broken?:p

Ha... Listen, I love Fox body Mustangs, but there is nothing special about the 87-93 302 either. Not being biased against DSM's just being realistic.

When it comes to engines, they are air pumps; nothing more, nothing less. High tech is great and all, but when it comes to air in/air out, displacement beats high tech's expensive ass. A perfect example is the Honda S2000. A lot of thought and technology went into producing a 4 cylinder motor that makes 240hp. I'll use a 93 Cobra now as my counter example since they make right around the same power (235). The difference is, using expensive, cutting edge technology produces an engine that makes 240hp, but must be spun to over 8000rpm to make that kind of power, and at the great expense of torque. The 93 Cobra also makes 240hp, with shitty iron heads, a truck intake, and old school pushrod technology, but does so at only 4600rpm.

So what is the point of this rant? By adding a turbocharger, and shoving an insane amount of additional air into a motor, you are effectively doing the same thing as increasing its displacement. This brings us back to the 4g63 not being special, but simply being turbo. :p
 
^Agreed. This is what makes its special whether if its physics or not. There's not a lot of motors out there that can take 30+ lbs from the factory because they weren't made to be boosted. NA yes the 4G63 is slow as hell but that's like taking an older muscle car and tracking it in stock forum. It's not what it was built/intended for. Everyone has their own option on this and I can see where NosLaser is coming from but saying they aren't special at all is just ridiculous to me.
 
Okay...if you take a DSM, and replace all the factory parts it came with that makes it a DSM with aftermarket parts, and run 35 pounds of boost, they are special :p

Guys, don't confuse "nothing special about the 4g63" with "DSM's aren't cool little cars." The entire point of my posts have been nothing more than injecting a little reality here, not saying that I don't think DSM's are cool. I've owned 6 of them. I wouldn't have owned 6 of them if the previous one didn't keep blowing up....errrr, I mean if I didn't think they were cool. (I'm actually kidding about the blowing up, as overall I had pretty good luck with DSM's.)

As far as an engine being able to handle boost, well I don't think that is a very strong point because they were turbocharged from the factory. They were built to handle boost. Does actually performing the job it was meant to do make something special? My toothbrush brushes my teeth. Should I make memes about it on the Internet? Go throw 30 pounds of boost through an NA 4g63 and see how long the party lasts. 7.8:1 compression (in the case of a 1g) affords you a pretty high ceiling when it comes to boost levels. (Don't forget, the 93.5-99 rods all like to check out at right around the 400whp level.) In all honesty, DSM's don't even come with forged pistons, but guess what does? The shitty truck motors in the 87-91 Mustang 5.0's that DSM'ers love to talk shit about, which are equally as un-special as the 4g63.

Again, not trying to hurt any feelings here, but just because you like something, doesn't make it greater than it is.
 
^Agreed. This is what makes its special whether if its physics or not. There's not a lot of motors out there that can take 30+ lbs from the factory because they weren't made to be boosted. NA yes the 4G63 is slow as hell but that's like taking an older muscle car and tracking it in stock forum. It's not what it was built/intended for. Everyone has their own option on this and I can see where NosLaser is coming from but saying they aren't special at all is just ridiculous to me.

Some old school muscle cars (prior to 73) rated 300hp from the factory where pushing close to 450-500hp. Just saying :)
 
a lot of people on craigslist see a car as simply that, a CAR...point A to point B. they don't pay attention to what kind it is. most of the people on there wouldn't care if they got a escort, civic, talon, eclipse, neon, etc and think they are all worth the same. you'd get a LOT more money for a car on these forums than on craigslist ANY day.
 
Which are still almost triple that of a our boosted 4 bangers.

Which is irrelevant as well. The muscle cars back then were built for the purpose of producing as much power as possible.

Our cars are purpose built to be entry level sports cars that don't really push the driver. Could they have pushed the motor to 400hp from the factory on 91 octane? Yes, but they didn't because that wasn't what the car was for. The market wasn't there anyway.

The V8 vs turbo 4 is a waste of time. It's about personal preference. I personally don't like V8s and think their gasping for air death rattle is one of the most annoying sounds in the world... right next to Harleys that is. But there are always exceptions. The Corvette (Bad example because it's not a muscle car I know) and Mustangs are cars I don't generally like but a GT500 or a Stingray I'd kill to own.

Why is this even being debated:hmm:
 
Believe me I know. 79 El Camino, 68 camaro and 73 Grand prix with factory ram air3 all over 4000lbs LOL boats compared to tiny cars haha

A 68 Camaro has a curb weight of 3170. What are you using for reference other than the "book of your ass?"

Not to mention, last time I checked, a 79 El Camino is not prior to 1973, as was the year mentioned. Things got VERY different for cars in the late 70's-early 80's. In addition to vehicle reference, you may want to check your US History as well.

Even your El Camino stats are an epic fail:

The early El Camino featured a 119-inch wheelbase. That was shortened to about 108 inches around 1978. It was 56.3 inches high and 210.9 inches long. The El Camino's curb weight was about 3,243 pounds.

Read more: Chevy El Camino Specs | eHow
 
Why do people still talk shit when we all obviously have the Internet? It amazes me. A few keystrokes and a 30 second search can expose bullshit, yet people still say things like "oh believe me, I KNOW"
 
I personally don't like V8s and think their gasping for air death rattle is one of the most annoying sounds in the world...

Yeah I agree. I mean, it's a downright shame this car sounds like this, instead of sounding AWESOME like some import with a fart can on it. You are so right!


[ame]http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1hQ-W-pMvx8[/ame]
 
I'm a non biased gear head. I like all cars built for performance. Sure I'm not a big fan of four doors, but at the end of the day. We are all united under one cause. Hauling ass. Dropping a boosted motor in something old- cool, dropping a Ls-1 into a miata- cool.

Just don't get upset so much when nomad wagons are walking ya. It's all in fun, step up your game.
 
Now that I have watched a few videos of imports with exhaust, I have completely changed my opinion. I kinda thought my twin turbo Cobra sounded cool, but this, THIS is like sound waves are a hot chick trying to have sex with my ears!

[ame]http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GGw8WdtYiPU[/ame]

Holy shit! How could I have been so sure, but so wrong this whole time? V8's sound absolutely terrible! I'm definitely gravitating towards the imports now, because nothing screams horsepower and intimidation like the sound of a weed wacker in a tin mailbox.
 
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