20g's come in

[AWDFury]

As of right now here is my list of mods
K&N FIPK, Greddy Type-S BOV, Greddy upper and lower IC piping, Greddy small FMIC, Joe P. MBC, and a boost gauge, 3" Turboback, Act 2600 clutch, 650 FIC injectors, MAFT w/ 3" GM MAS, and Walbro 255lph fuel pump.

I got a great deal offered to me, which is a Super 20g w/ highflow manifold for $300! My goal is to have a decent 12 second car. Well my question is that I've been searching and have found mixed feeling about this turbo. Is a regular TD06 20g that much better?? What do you all think?
Thanks

 

[Tra2xx]

Sounds too good to be true, so it probably is.

Check the manifold out - is it a good mitsubishi one or is it a crappy one that will most likely crack?

Are you sure if the turbo is
a) not one that was peiced together by somone in their basement
b) not in need of a serious rebuild

If you know the person well or if it all checks out, I'd say go for it. Savings are good, they let you buy other mods/fix other parts that break.

 

[me612]

S20g's can't even compare to the conventional 20g's. But that is a cheap price none the less. It's your choice.

 

[AWDFury]

Yeah the guy is one of my friends. He has a built engine and now wants to get a bigger turbo so he offered the Super 20 w/ manifold to me. But he is going to keep his External wastegate. So the only thing I'd have to buy along with this turbo is a Tial 38 mm wastegate and it should be all good.

 

[me612]

I have always been under the impression that all Super turbos were internally gated and came with that 10cm housing.

 

[AWDFury]

mmmm.... My friend that wants to sell it to me has a external wastegate on his....... Could it be possible that he converted it to external? And if it is not possible then maybe it is not a Super turbo.

 

[me612]

Well it is possible, but the whole thing about the super turbos was that they could be ran with their internal setup without any creep because of their huge exhaust housing. And they really never proved themselves as a power house turbo. But they could be ran without an external setup which some people liked. So to take one and convert it to external, well then you are just missing the whole point of that turbo, and just putting more money into a turbo that can't come close to the conventional 20g's.

 

[AWDFury]

Yeah I just called Hahnracecraft and they said all there S20g's come internally gated. Well I'm going to ask him to pop his hood later on this week to see if a internal wastegate is on his turbo. If if he does then he has 2 wastegates .

 

[boostedinaz]

He probably just took out the flapper and changed it over to an external setup. Not that hard to do. I never liekd the Super series of turbos becasue of the huge exhaust housing. They spool pretty slow and dont make that much top end power to make up for the lack of bottom end. Its up to you though.

Michael


PS I think you will also need a special O2 housing becasue of the big 10CM housing, but I am not a 100% sure.

 

[dsm]

i had personal experience with the s20g. ppl talk so much shit about it but i dont see anything wrong with it. 346whp on pump gas at 20-21psi isnt bad for at all. and on race gas i ran 117mph traps at 22-23psi, so its a pretty tough turbo. i wouldve kept fiddling with it but i sold it after having it for only 6 months. hell if i wouldve tried and hit an 11 i think i wouldve been the first with a s20g running 11's. i think ppl are to fast to judge these turbos, just give them time, tune it right and im sure it'll pay off. i sold mine because i got greedy and wanted hp than that turbo could offer.

 

[AWDFury]

Cool! Hopefully I'll be rolling with a S20g by the end of next month. It's
going to be crazy going from a t-25 to a 20g. Thanks for the 411!

 

[me612]

They've had more then enought time to prove themselves. I've known one person personally who's had one, and he wasn't too impressed with it. Good luck though, that is a cheap prices so I mean if you decide you don't like it, then it's not that much of a loss, but I guess it's worth a shot at that price. Good luck man!!

 

[pneumo]

If it doesn't work out you could always buy a new 7cm exhaust housing. Bullseye-power.com has them with internal gates for about $220.

 

[AWDFury]

Interesting.... ($170 w/ external). I'm probably going to stick with getting a Tial 38mm wastegate with that turbo. So if I get a 7cm turbine housing would I get more potential from that 20g, than sticking with the 10cm turbine housing? Would it be worth the $170?
(Edit turbine or exhaust housing????)

 

[me612]

I think you'd be much happier with a 7cm2 housing on there. Do you happen to know what exhaust wheel came on those by chance? But if you can get a 7cm2 housing on there and an external wg, you'd be sittin pretty. Not sure like the exact specifics of the S20g, but I'm guessing you could put one of those housings on there, but couldn't tell you 100% for sure. Might wanna look into that thought before you spend the money.

 

[pneumo]

The Bullseye housings can be made to fit many different turbine wheels. Just tell them what wheel you have, which turbo it's going on, and what car it's going on, and they do the rest. I'd still recomend you contact them first so everything is clear.

 

[mitsupwr]

ive got a slowboy td06 internal gate 20g on my 92 laser awd spools super fast runs 11.6 all day at 120 no nos 145k on motor 550inj 3 inch exh safc web street grind cams 02 dump only prob is boost wont go lower than 23 psi i run 28 at the track 116 octane

 

[nanokpsi]

They've had more then enought time to prove themselves. I've known one person personally who's had one, and he wasn't too impressed with it. Good luck though, that is a cheap prices so I mean if you decide you don't like it, then it's not that much of a loss, but I guess it's worth a shot at that price. Good luck man!!

I was counting on a good budy of mine to prove the s20g. He is building a race car. He is seling it though becasue he ordered a s25g. I can't possible see why people say that a convetional 20g is far superior to the s20g. The only difference is the hotside, and I haven't seen people lose peak power from going with a big hot side. He was very happy with the turbo, hence why he ordered the 25g. He ran a high 12 within a coiuple hours of bolting it on at 15 psi. He then proceeded to RAPE a c5 by buslengths at 26 psi. He spun a rod bearing due to a dented oil pan so he pulled the motor and had it completly built. I say go for it. If the mani is in good shape then you could just have the turbo rebuilt if it was needed and you would still save a ton of money. It will still blow away a t25.

 

[AWDFury]

I got a ride in my friends car with the S20g (Eclipes GST) and he could just be casually crusing in 3rd gear, then he'd floor the throttle and when the boost kicked in his tires would loose traction. So it should be a nice turbo in a AWD DSM.. Plus there is a guy in the 11's with a HRC S20g
(#131 11.881 122.32 7.773 93.44 1.775 95 Talon Tsi HRC S20g Bill Green 4NPOWER)
So it should be cool!

 

[dsm]

there we go, im pretty sure i couldve gotten 120+ traps out of that thing, too bad ill never know, but getting 117mph at only 22-23psi on race gas id say all i needed to do was turn up the boost. i dont think hahn ever said their s20g was better than any other 20g out there.

 

[AWDFury]

AAAAAHhhhhhh guess what I found out today.... The s20g wheel is chipped I have not seen it myself yet but what do you all think? Do you think a bolt-on 50 trim would be a better bet?

 

[herostar]

AAAAAHhhhhhh guess what I found out today.... The s20g wheel is chipped I have not seen it myself yet but what do you all think? Do you think a bolt-on 50 trim would be a better bet?

probably, considering you can get a new one shipped for under $900 with an internal gate...

 

[me612]

50 trim would be a better bet then the Super 20g. If price is an issue, you can still find used 20g's for a good price. I almost bought a used polished, fully ported 34mm interally gated TDO6 20g for 600 bux. 20g's seem to becoming less popular, but they are still very proven turbos. So if you aren't afraid of buying used turbos which I'm assuming you're not because you almost bought a used S20g, then maybe look at the conventional 20g's because they seem to go for cheap now a days. If you're going to buy a brand new turbo, then I'd opt for one of the hybrids as they seem to perform very well and tend to cost less then 20g's brand new. Best of luck to ya

 

[AWDFury]

Alright! I guess I'll save up, and start hunting for bolt on 50 trims... Thanks

 

[pneumo]

Alright! I guess I'll save up, and start hunting for bolt on 50 trims... Thanks

I was hunting for a turbo recently and I turned up some good prices at these sites.
www.importpoweronline.com
www.speedfactor.com
HTH
anyone know who else has good prices out there?