Originally posted by DELTA_Rotary



Says the guy who dug the thread up from the dead to make a reply. I think the thread was already done until you dug it up

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Does it matter if I dug it up?I hadnt seen it before and it came up in a search I did on a another subject, so I replied. Does that has anything to do with ppl behaving like immature babies? If they cant behave they cant behave wether its a new or old thread..simple as that.The fact remains.... ppl are sometimes damn fast to get into flaming and shit like that...All are different and its just to accept that thats the way life is...some ppl dont seem to realize this and get into discussions about the smallest stuff....like if their opinion is the only right one no matter what..

The fact that you even bothered to reply yourself with such a comment(that had absolutely nothing to do with the thread it self)....well it speaks for itself really...

I'm sorry to drag this post on any longer than it already has been, but I feel the need to just state my two cents because of the amount of tension this thread seems to have caused. FWD or AWD, I signed up for this board under the impression that it's purpose was to learn from and to help out people who share both owning a DSM and the passion of driving/modding/tuning/building them. However, it's turned into FWD VS. AWD DSM Tuners. It just makes no sense to me. Although our cars have different parts in certain aspects, we share the many of the same major aspects too. In my personal opinion, time is much better spent learning from each other about how to better the parts that we do share and learning about what parts work better for different applications than to spend time talking trash about why my model of DSM is better than yours. As already said, each person has his or her own reasons for owning the vehicle that they have. Some people will learn that they would rather have a different model and move onto that, while some of us have to work with what we've got because that's what we prefer, or we just can't get something different at the present time. FWD or AWD, I know there are a number of people on this board who have enough knowledge about DSMs in general to be able to assist either side in chosing mods and upgrades and THAT is what should be focused on. Unless there's some kind of ground-breaking news in the AWD VS FWD battle, I think it's all pretty much been covered. And if you feel it hasn't, I'm sure there are enough threads in the archives that you can add your opinions to. But when someone asks a simple question and it turns into an all-out war, it makes me start to question where some of you are coming from with your advice- a very biased opinion just because what you own is what's best or a neutral p.o.v based on what you think is best because it's been proven that way. I don't mean to sound like Mother Theresa here in trying to make peace between AWD and FWD owners, I just couldn't stand another second of this without saying what most of us know needed to be said and I felt hadn't been completely. Competition and opposition are great and make for an excellent heated debate, but there's a point when things just get out of hand and some things are better left as a beaten subject. This thread has stretched far beyond that point...

JESUS CHRIST! 8 pages on this?? Of couarse its worth modding a FWD, i mean it will never be as good as a AWD at launching, but they can be plenty fast. Hell if u really want to launch good get sum traction/suspension control and at least u will be close. Plus another factor u might consider is, how often do u race from a stop? not that often, but in my case i luv having AWD as back up

Shit, awd = cheaper insurance

Originally posted by TurBoGs-T
Don't get me wrong i will be getting an AWD 1g for my project track car.

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That doesn't look like a 1G AWD to me dog.

Originally posted by stevetrbp
I had a fwd and hated getting beat off the line, now I got a awd with tons of mods and Im breaking sh.T left and right. I spend more time wrenching on my awd than my fwd. But I love the traction to much. Theres pros and cons for both awd and fwd, it all depends on what kind of racing you wanna do and how much money you have.

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Yep AllWheelDrive = AllWaysDown!

The 2nd gen GSX also can cost up to twice as much as a good GS-T.
The 2nd gen GSX is funny tho, you can buy one and take it to the track until your stock clutch starts to slip and go. Replace it with an ACT2600 which is what youll need to get those great launches and it kills your engine!!!

Ill take the 2wd 250lbs lighter and w/ the rigt suspension/tires youll launch right with an AWD....

Originally posted by RS entities
most ppl who support fwd like it cause of awesome hwy pulls. but is awd that bad on the hwy. i know if mods are the same the fwd will beat the awd on the hwy. but will the awd be that much slower on the hwy?

chad

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well technically your getting much more power to the wheels with the 2wd DSM. Here it is in the FWD there is no heavy driveshaft and rear gear and rear axles to turn like on RWD and a heavy power robbing transfer case and driveshaft/rear diff/axles like on AWD.

because of this I know Subaru AWD system eats about 28% of its crank hp to the wheels.

A good fwd?about 9-10% drivetrain loss IIRC.

Ill take the 2wd 250lbs lighter and w/ the rigt suspension/tires youll launch right with an AWD....

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AMEN!

Originally posted by Isotta91
basically front wheel drive is not worth it unless u engage in burn-out contests. after a handful of mods, traction is at a loss, and unless u really know how to drive ur car, and what to expect when ur driving it, u might crash or break something.

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coming from someone with a 3 bolt rear end saying something might break with mods.. ....im not concerned

Originally posted by Libila
AMEN!

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Can I get a halleluia!!



I really like the arguement that why not get AWD instead? If I were buying a car for a pure drag machine, I wouldn't even think Japanese. I would get a Foxbody mustang, turbocharge it and run a drag suspension. Stripped and driven hard, you can easily be in the 9's. Don't believe me? 5.0 Mustang magazine published a feature on a guy who for 5000$ including the car price, is running low 9's. FWD is great because it doesn't weigh much, less complex, more efficient, less work for brakes/suspension. I'll take a well balanced car over a drag queen any day.

-Groomz

yea man if you want something truely fast you want rwd or awd. fwd is out of the question. Now for a street car with moderate modding fwd is fine. Most fwd guys put drag radials on and get motor mount inserts and it helps traction a lot. However if you run at the dragstrip and launch off the line you will hope and break a diff eventually. If you have slicks and you luanch hard there's a good chance an axle will go. It depends on how much power you want to push. I think fwd is worth modding moderatly ... but nothing over 300 whp. fwd cars car be a lot of fun on the highway when they actually get traction but I can honestly say from experience that a gsx isn't going to be much slower than a gst on the highway with the same mods. Sure the gst will win but how many times do you race from 100 - 150? Either A) keep the fwd and get like a 16g or something like that and have some fun with it ( drag radials and motor mounts are a must ) or B) sell it and get a gsx and mod the hell out of it. 92 is the best year.

Originally posted by Groomz
If I were buying a car for a pure drag machine, I wouldn't even think Japanese.

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I don't know about you but my 2g is built here

Originally posted by 1fast97gsx
I think fwd is worth modding moderatly ... but nothing over 300 whp.

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Tell me about it. My GS-T has been a royal PITA ever since.

fwd is worth modding.. im sure its fun from a roll and on the freeway.. it has its own satisfaction..

ok lets put it like this ... any car is worth modding ... but some options will end up being cheaper and less of a pita. A high hp drag car = awd or rwd. A cruzin car or weekend car = awd ... but fwd is also fine.

Its worth modding for sure. All depends on what you want to do with it. If you have dreams of having the fastest drag car around FWD just isnt going to cut it. Im quite sure with enough money and the right person doing the work you will have a kickass FWD car with alot of power. Remember FWD doesnt wiegh a whole lot and just because you cant pound 600 hp to the ground and hook up like an AWD can doesnt mean its not worth getting it up to around 400 or so. Things break, no matter what drivetrain you have even the most expensive well built race cars break NO MATTER WHAT!

My car is FWD, lightly modded a little more boost exhaust and bigger injectors and I have a blast with the damn thing. Raced a late model Z28 the other night and I was right next to him the whole way. Makes me happy enough (of course I want a bit more muwahahaha)

I do not know what the big deal is with awd. I own a awd and a fwd (both 1gs) and my fwd would stomp my awd any day of the week nor have I ever lost a race to an awd in my fwd car ever. If you know how to drive, drive a dsm awd or fwd, if not than go buy a honda, that way your not hurting anything. Besides the 3rd fastest dsm on this site is a fwd, at least the last time I checked.

then mod your awd a little and it will spank the fwd. It's just common sense. Do the same mods on both cars. AWD will win. Why do you think gst traps and gsx traps result in a 1/2 sec different et? The gsts need so much more topend to make up what they lost to the gsx off the line.

http://www.nhrasportcompact.com/2004/rules/index.html
http://www.nhra.com/revisions/rules.html

If the fwd went up against awd's then it would matter. but they dont
fwd's stay in there own class,
while awd and rwd are together

if your making such mad power as was stated then why, TO COMPETE, why the arguing between dsm'rs anyways. they are all good. and all projects.

2gdsm_nc said:

http://www.nhrasportcompact.com/2004/rules/index.html
http://www.nhra.com/revisions/rules.html

If the fwd went up against awd's then it would matter. but they dont
fwd's stay in there own class,
while awd and rwd are together

if your making such mad power as was stated then why, TO COMPETE, why the arguing between dsm'rs anyways. they are all good. and all projects.

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I like the way you think. Apples to oranges I say. I can't imagine those blown Cobra boys have a good time when they go WOT ( traction wise ). Supra's for that matter, or whatever else. I had an AWD and it died, now I have a FWD ( only DSM for sale when I needed one ). Like them both alot. I plan to make as much power as I can and control the traction with my right foot. Alot of people tout the greatness of AWD as it eliminates the need for self-control in the accelerator department. If anyone says AWD is better for the street, I have to ask:" Why are you racing on the street?" Driving is a privelege, not a right. Lets take racing to the track and have a good time. Admire AWD for its awesome-ness, and respect FWD for its challenges. Can't we all just get along?

-Groomz

I pefer the top end power of my GST, to me AWD is just drivetrain loss after 1st gear. Get LSD, drag radials, and some suspension mods and some guys are getting 1.9 60fts out of a FWD, with a much higher trap speed than an AWD.

Isotta91 said:

basically front wheel drive is not worth it unless u engage in burn-out contests. after a handful of mods, traction is at a loss, and unless u really know how to drive ur car, and what to expect when ur driving it, u might crash or break something.

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Bull Shit!!! Excessive low end torque is mainly a problem with the T25. When you upgrade to a 16G or larger the lag allows you to launch...

I have Poly motor mounts, KYB's, and drag radials on a 16G. If I drop my pressure to 20 and launch at 5K and hit 1.9's all day...No LSD. And FWD's have better top end speed due to putting more horsepower to the ground. Awds are great but they put less horsepower to the ground that an equally equiped FWD due to drive trane loss. I love Awd especially for the launches. But if I was to build a full frag car it would be FWD.

mlopez said:

Tell that to www.magnusmotorsports.com

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Now thats what I'm talkin about. A front wheel drive car can be a extremely fast drag car. AWD's kick ass too. Lets face it..Your actually modifing the 4G63. Rather it is in an EVO, GS-T, GSX, or Mirage. How can anyone on this site who loves the 4G63 trash on any of the above. Hell if you wanna be "REAL" the only full drag eclipses racing competitively (in the 7's) are RWD conversions( David Bauscher, and Brett Rau). So I guess the rest of us are Shit outta luck. :thumbdown. And yes I know that Shep is in the 8's, and I would never knock on him... But the race field has stepped up a notch and 6's @ 200+ MPH are now becoming common. In Pro racing who has the fastest AWD??? If it isn't 7's (Lisa Kubo's new world record for Pro FWD) than that answers that.

2gdsm_nc said:

http://www.nhrasportcompact.com/2004/rules/index.html
http://www.nhra.com/revisions/rules.html

If the fwd went up against awd's then it would matter. but they dont
fwd's stay in there own class,
while awd and rwd are together

if your making such mad power as was stated then why, TO COMPETE, why the arguing between dsm'rs anyways. they are all good. and all projects.

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All I am saying is, people who typicly put down fwds dont know how to drive them to their potential.

rdrkt said:

What you aren’t making 450hp on pump gas?

You can get a 300hp fwd car to hook up just fine and hey that might be fast enough for you. But my goals go way beyond running door to door with a stock c5. If you have extreme goals I dont see how you can accomplish them with a fwd car. If I spin 3rd in an awd car I can only imagine what a fwd car would do.

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if you're spinning 3rd in an awd...u better get ur shyt checked out...