maybe a v8 but a 1.8 i dont think so

that sounds like TDI numbers. its possible with a certain amount of tuning and internal components to go for more torque, but with stock internals i dunno. sounds like that machine is a little scetchy. does he have any drag strip times to back it up? with that much torque it should be pretty quick. that is a shit load of psi though. have you riddin the car? try a dubb forum like www.vwfixx.com (my friend is the featured car of the week and ask them. prolly a better bet than on a dsm forum.

Look at any dyno slip from a VW and the hp/tq ratio will always be lopsided in favor of tq. I dont know about that lopsided, but I dont know much about VW's

For the most part, most German cars seem to produce more torque for some reason. The reason that he probably has so much torque and now as much HP is because of the stock turbo. It produces enough airflow to make the low torque but doesn't support the airflow to produce the up-top HP. When he goes aftermarket with the turbo, I think that the numbers will change. He will still always have more torque, don't know who those little motors do that.

Just my two cents,

David

Look at TurboFord dyno numbers too...I've seen them with ~250hp and >350ft/lb tq. If the engine is cammed for a low rpm peak HP then the torque can be very high at low rpm with enough boost.

Heat soak on the intercooler can greatly affect the torque numbers too. I've found that with the 2.3L Ford motors you can compare an intercooled engine with a non-intercooled, both making the same HP and the intercooled one ususally make 10 - 20% more torque. This would be about the equivalent of comparing a cold intercooler dyno session with a hot (heat soaked) intercooler dyno session.

Another car that will do that is a Starion. They will produce like 320 HP and 380 ft/lbs of torque.

Just thought that I would throw that in,

David

thanx guyz for the input. i dynoed at 195hp to the wheels and 206 torque.

im upgrading to my evo3 16g in a few days. wut kind of numbers wood i need to beat that incredible amount of torque he has?

find out what he runs at the strip first. then we can tell you what mods are needed to beat that.

Theres no way a DSM is gonna put down such a lopsided dyno run in favor of torque. However, you can get your torque/hp leveled near that area.

that dyno just sounds messed up to me...he could probably easily make more tq than hp but I would go to a different dyno.

to go from
195hp/305tq to
175hp/275tq
130hp/205tq

that is 100 ft/lbs difference which is HUGE only if he is heatsoaking with intake temps of 200 degrees could that be possible...that difference is way to much. Tell him that it is very possible he has more tq than hp but the dyno he went on fvcked up and try a different one...you don't heatsoak that bad in 3 dyno pulls also...how far were they reving his engine?

well his dyno chart showed that everything steeply dropped off at 5,000 rpms so i think thats when he shifts. he says he needs to shift early cuz it all goes downhill from there. but like i said, pushing 21 psi should give u a super torque mid-range, but i dont know about that much.

he says that the "chip" with and intake brings the gti's torque up to 245. i doubt that the rest of his mods would give him 65 more torque.

he ran the car at the strip when he didnt really know what he was doin yet. it had intake and chip at the time. he himself ran 15.9, but a friend of his took the car on the same day and ran a 15.2

he hasnt run the car since then so i am curious to see what it runs with the rest of his mods. i think we are all going this coming friday so i will let u all know how i do , and how he does.

thanks again,
tyler

Look

To clarify, that is from my Talon.

DIESEL POWAH!!!



Actually, my car was running BAD, and we stopped part way through the run cause I blew off a hose.

The name/car type were scratched out/re-written cause the guys running the Dyno forgot to reset em.

what r u talking about diesel power. its a 1.8t. diesel volkswagen's are unbelievably slow. they are rated at about 90 horsepower.

look at the syclone/typhoon

280 hp
350 tq

It can be possible.Etc;VW BORA 1.9TDI RACE EDITION 340HP 700Nm Tork.VW is an interesting company you cant understand what they do.I live in Europe n see lot of VW like that

Originally posted by 98autogstspyder
what r u talking about diesel power. its a 1.8t. diesel volkswagen's are unbelievably slow. they are rated at about 90 horsepower.

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yes,the TDI's are rated at about 95hp but around 250ft/lbs thats why people are thinking its a diesel because theres such a difference in number and the 1.9 turbo diesel would make numbers like that.. and have you ridden in one? just because its 95hp dose'nt mean its slow,its actually a peppy little car. great pick up.

Horsepower is what sells, torque is what moves you. Horsepower is only a measurement of how quickly torque can be delivered. A car with 1000 horsepower isn't going anywhere with 2lbs-ft of torque. Not quickly at least.

Originally posted by Groomz
Horsepower is what sells, torque is what moves you. Horsepower is only a measurement of how quickly torque can be delivered. A car with 1000 horsepower isn't going anywhere with 2lbs-ft of torque. Not quickly at least.

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Well...maybe it is...depends on how linear that 2 ft/lbs is...because to get that 1000hp you are reving the thing to like 100,000 rpms and if it is still making at least 1 ft/lb up there...you're going to make tons of hp, and if the engine can get up to those revs fairly quickly....the car will be pretty fast.

well a friend of mine ricardo, who posts on here, when he was in europe he said he rented a tdi. he said to me it was pretty pathetic. i had no idea that the tdi's produced that kind of torque though, interesting.

he said when he was driving it, redline was like 3500 . so you aren't going to be revving that engine too high.

anyways like i said we are going to the track on friday and i will post both of our times, and we will see how we do.

also i think i will try to get him to go on another dyno if he cooperates. how should i convince him to go to another. got any arguments i can throw at him?


-tyler
soon owner of an evo3 16g

Originally posted by 98autogstspyder
what r u talking about diesel power.

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And the sarcasm train goes right on by...

Originally posted by 13secGST
Well...maybe it is...depends on how linear that 2 ft/lbs is...because to get that 1000hp you are reving the thing to like 100,000 rpms and if it is still making at least 1 ft/lb up there...you're going to make tons of hp, and if the engine can get up to those revs fairly quickly....the car will be pretty fast.

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True. The Formula 1 race cars produce in excess of 800 horsepower, but only 200lbs-ft of torque ( estimates only, F1 teams never print there exact power outputs ). They achieve this through the class limitations of only 3 liters and 10 cylinders. Practically no engine inertia combined with stratospheric RPM capability ( redlines around 18,000 RPM ) provides extreme acceleration and top end power. Of course they idle at 10,000 RPMs and bog very easily from a launch. The matra of horsepower selling, torque moving is for street cars for the most part, but any race car that produces extra torque will always make it faster than the equivelent horsepower rating but with less torque. The main benefit of our beloved 4G63T and any turbo engine is that although they produce good amounts of horsepower, the torque gains of turbocharging versus N/A motors is incredible. Turbo's allow peak torque low and peak horsepower high, offering the best of both worlds. I love DSMs!!!

You can run stupid-high boost on diesel. Diesel takes it like a champ and requires it.

Yeah thats why desiel turbos are about the size of our block, but a lots of hp no torque car would be an s2000, or old mazda rotary, bunch of hp with no power to get anywhere if force is needed.