What do u guys think about the 50 trim turbo, I am looking to buy one form Darkside racing, and wondering what power it is capable from this turbo. Do u know if it is comparable to any of the frank leve turbo's or other popular turbo. I amdriving to drakside racing to pick it up so there is no worry of late shipment or other problems, people have spoken of. I am aware there are different variations of the 50 trim, but I think they are minimal, so a generalization of the 50 trim would be helpful.
Justin

What stage exhaust wheel is in it?

call and talk to darkside about it, we have no idea what turbo you are talking about dude

there are many different choices for a 50 trim turbo. Any yes they do make a big difference, as Candela said.. your best bet is to contact the vendor.

I wanna ask u guys this and not a vendor b/c they will say what they want to sell me something. Of the "trim" turbo's what is the best to get high 10's.
Justin

You could possibly get there with a 60-1.

Why does everyone want a 10 second car.. have you ever been in a 10 second car or anything even remotely close to 10 second car??

I've sat in/worked on a 6 second car, and a 7 second car, and I've driven a 10 second car. Currently driving low 12/high 11 second car?

Originally posted by larryd
Why does everyone want a 10 second car.. have you ever been in a 10 second car or anything even remotely close to 10 second car??

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At least he didnt say he wanted a 10 second daily driver. It really scares me that people have all this money to spend but NO idea about what it takes to go fast. Guys look here. As of today there are 22 cars in the 10s. There are some VERY smart DSM owners out there yet less than 25 in the 10s and yes I realize that there is probably a few others that aren’t on there but you get my point. Unless you have a VERY big checkbook if you are on here completely clueless about what it takes to go 10s you aren’t going to get there plain and simple.

Originally posted by larryd
Why does everyone want a 10 second car.. have you ever been in a 10 second car or anything even remotely close to 10 second car??

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quote of the year. im going to go out on a limb and say i dont think most have been in a mid 12 second car. much less a 10 second car. let me tell you, i took a ride in a friends 10.8 altered atmosphere built single turbo supra. it was a very scary experience. you have no idea what a 10 second 500+ hp car feels like. find a new goal

Originally posted by jdmawd
it was a very scary experience. you have no idea what a 10 second 500+ hp car feels like.

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You should ask Larry how it felt to take a spin in HighPsi91s 10 second Talon When he got back he decided that he didnt want or need a 10 second car.

I want a car that runs.....

i was wondering how difficult it is to reach that 11 second barrier with a t3/t4 50 trim (streetable turbo not like with a stage 5 wheel or some crazy thing), I only saw two on there but i was happy to see neither of them used nitrous.

Originally posted by iwantawd
i was wondering how difficult it is to reach that 11 second barrier with a t3/t4 50 trim

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If you know how to tune and have the proper supporting mods it should be pretty easy. In fact I am convinced that if I had a 50 trim instead of the turbo I have now I could have been in the high 11s on pump gas.

The DSMotorsport talon went 11.0 @ 125mph with a E50 trim T3T4 Stage 3 turbine wheel, .63AR turbin housing. no nitrous. Stock head, stock cams, VPC,AFC,650's, 216fmic. that 50 trim is an excelent turbo.

Im confident that I could have made an 10.7 pass on it without nitrous, as once we got cams in the car the tuning was horribly off...we didn't get a wideband untill late august and had already moved to a 60-1. the whole time the car was running 11.0's with 10:1 AFR. If it had been tuned well earlier in the year before we made a mess of switching turbo's and cams it probobly could have gone a few tenths faster.

IMHO I would stick to an all garret turbo. I don't go with these $1400 turbochargers that are garret parts stuffed into mitsu housings.

Originally posted by rdrkt

You should ask Larry how it felt to take a spin in HighPsi91s 10 second Talon When he got back he decided that he didnt want or need a 10 second car.

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That was my take also. I have zero interest in such a thing. roasting the tires from a 60 mph roll, is not a fun or exciting experience. A mid 11 second street car is all im shooting for.

I dunno guys, a true 10 second car on the street (I'm talking '70's muscle here) is one hella fun ride

I am hoping everyone knows this, but 50 trim describes the compressor wheel only, everyone above is referring to it as the "turbo". There are lots of other variables besides just the 50 trim wheel that make a good turbo. The 50 trim wheel, when used in the proper configuration, can make very good power.

Originally posted by GunnerTSi
I dunno guys, a true 10 second car on the street (I'm talking '70's muscle here) is one hella fun ride

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If by "true 10 second" you mean 10s in the mid 120s and by "fun" you mean trying to survive in a car that can't stop OR turn then yeah I see what you mean exactly.... Wait... No I dont

yes I rode in Wes's 10 second Talon and I decided right there that I dont want that. I want a car that is capable of pulling off low 12s on pump gas and mid 11s on race gas. My goals are realistic..

I've been around a few fast DSM's and I can tell you 10sec is no joke...especially without nitrous. Brad Brooks is runnin 10.8's on a T4 in a 97 AWD...but do you realize what all he has in the car...JESUS. I mean before an event I've seen him spend 15hr on extreme's dyno just to make sure the car will run 10's the next day at the event.

Now, look at Rich Glorioso...11.0's on your T3/T4 50trim no nitrous. But because the 50trim is smaller is spools faster so you leave the line harder and loose less boost during the shifts. But you want an idea of how hard he is leaving the line to get those 11.0's? The last event I saw him at the tower announcer was screamin his lungs off about this street driven 4cyl car PULLING THE FRONT WHEELS ON THE LAUNCH (only the left one, but still). Don't you think parts break really easy with launches like that?

I'm going for 11.5's on NOS...that's my goal. 12.0's off the giggle juice.

just curious, but 11.5s on nitrous with a 60-1?? You should make some insane power with a 60-1 man, Id think 11.5s would come pretty easily with the 60-1 on race gas without nitrous.

Originally posted by larryd
Id think 11.5s would come pretty easily with the 60-1 on race gas without nitrous.

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I have to agree. I was hitting low 12s and 117 traps on pump gas with my turbo. I could only imagine what would have happened if I made a 28lb c16 run. A 60-1 AND nitrous equal mid 10s if you can find a fuel pump to keep up with your fuel demand and decent tuning.

Dont buy anything from Darkside. He ripped my friend off for $1200. He said he was selling a 20g, fronmount, ported manifold, and a few other things for $1200 shipped. So my friend paypalled him the money and never recieved any parts. HE notified the POlice and tried to get a PayPal refund and the money was gone and the police couldnt get him his money back either.
You dont have to take it from me talk to Aslan he heard the story also.

Originally posted by rdrkt

I have to agree. I was hitting low 12s and 117 traps on pump gas with my turbo. I could only imagine what would have happened if I made a 28lb c16 run. A 60-1 AND nitrous equal mid 10s if you can find a fuel pump to keep up with your fuel demand and decent tuning.

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I know 10's are possible with this turbo (especially with nitrous). But I'm planning on creeping off the line and doin some serious granny shifting just to keep the drivetrain intact in this car. It's my daily driver, it'll be fast, but I'm not going to kill it just for the sake of saying I own a 10sec car. I have better things to do with my money and time.