Mitsubishi N/A Drag Car

smokehouse_83 · Jan 13, 2003

Ok what do you think about this? A naturally asperated drag car that is built with a 4g63 engine, I was thinking of a galant gsx. The 4g would be built with a 2.4 crank in a turbo block with custom rods and custom high CR pistons with a fully built race head with a standalone and individual throttle bodys. How much horsepower do you think you could pull out of this setup? The car would have to lightened up alot, but it would be awd so there would be no traction problems. I was just thinking of this because no one is representing in the all motor class.

Drew

LandoAWD · Jan 13, 2003

Does this REALLY belong in the 2.0 TURBO Performance section?

HighPsi91 · Jan 13, 2003

Why not choose a heavy car

dyezak · Jan 14, 2003

highpsi91 is right...it don't matter what cool nifty tricks you do. 3000lbs is a lot of weight to move. The weight of these cars is why you haven't seen a N/A dragger before.

smokehouse_83 · Jan 14, 2003

So you are saying there is not way to take some weight off the car? AWD cars are faster then FWD cars why is this? Its because an AWD car has more traction and can launch like a savage, but AWD cars weigh more then a front wheel drive car, so how does that work? Like I said before traction, the weight disadvantage could be made up with sick 60ft times and no traction issues. I think you could get the Galant GSX down to around 2200 pounds with alittle work, I know the crx's probally weigh in at around 1200 with driver, but they have wheelie bars and #### cause they have traction issues. I cant believe no one on this forum has any positive thoughts about this idea or any other idea it kinda seems this forum is going down the tube!

Drew

LandoAWD · Jan 14, 2003

I cant believe no one on this forum has any positive thoughts about this idea or any other idea it kinda seems this forum is going down the tube!

LandoAWD · Jan 14, 2003

<---apologizes for the crappy cut/paste.

Tallen · Jan 14, 2003

Originally posted by smokehouse_83
So you are saying there is not way to take some weight off the car? AWD cars are faster then FWD cars why is this? Its because an AWD car has more traction and can launch like a savage, but AWD cars weigh more then a front wheel drive car, so how does that work? Like I said before traction, the weight disadvantage could be made up with sick 60ft times and no traction issues. I think you could get the Galant GSX down to around 2200 pounds with alittle work, I know the crx's probally weigh in at around 1200 with driver, but they have wheelie bars and #### cause they have traction issues. I cant believe no one on this forum has any positive thoughts about this idea or any other idea it kinda seems this forum is going down the tube!

Drew

umm no AWD is only faster than FWD for about a second off the start (which matters alot) but the FWD has less loss of power hence better topend. thats why they both run 15.1's stocker

GRNDSM · Jan 14, 2003

Why not follow a Honda formula: take a FWD Mirrage and put a powerfull 2.0 or 2.4 motor in it? AWD does not hold a huge advantage over FWD with real drag slicks...

Leon
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SetH · Jan 14, 2003

@ Lando.......:laugh:

TSi92 · Jan 14, 2003

It would be cool to see a NA 80's mitsu mirage with a NA 4G63. The thing is that everything must be custom made and that's a lot of money and R&D. If somebody does it I'd be the first one to give thumbs up. It kinda sucks that hondas are into the 10's all-motor and the all motor mitsus are doing 15's because nobody bothers to play with them.

smokehouse_83 · Jan 15, 2003

Hey Lando, who's that ugly chick in front of your car? I am glad to see some people replying to the post, even if its negative comments.

Drew

rdrkt · Jan 15, 2003

Originally posted by Tallen
umm no AWD is only faster than FWD for about a second off the start (which matters alot) but the FWD has less loss of power hence better topend. thats why they both run 15.1's stocker

I think you guys really dont have a firm understanding on what it takes to get a car down the 1320. My favorite example of this is Larrys car. It made around 300hp to the wheels on pump gas. Larry had pretty wide tires, and one of those BM tranny spring units that go in the tranny. Even he was spinning the hell out of 2nd gear. However in my awd making about 80-100 more wheel hp I can launch a ton harder and have little to know wheel spin in 2nd. If we actually lined up head to head it would be VERY ugly. Slicks make things a lot better but if you are making big power in a fwd DSM you will still spin 3rd with slicks. Even awd cars with sticky as hell tires have traction issues in the first 2 gears on a VHT prepped track.

rdrkt · Jan 15, 2003

smokehouse_83: when some of the people like HighPsi91 give you advice you should listen. I mean he is has the 13th fastest awd DSM in the country. I bet he has a pretty good understanding of what it takes to go fast. Same thing with some of us. Please feel free to prove us wrong but we are trying to help you save your time and money.

Tevenor · Jan 15, 2003

Originally posted by rdrkt
smokehouse_83: when some of the people like HighPsi91 give you advice you should listen. I mean he is has the 13th fastest awd DSM in the country. I bet he has a pretty good understanding of what it takes to go fast. Same thing with some of us. Please feel free to prove us wrong but we are trying to help you save your time and money.

Bingo!

Ian M · Jan 15, 2003

There is a guy (I dont know the guy personally) in my area building a NA circa '97 body style Mirage to compete in the all motor class. A buddy of mine who's a machinist has made some trick parts for him,thats who mentioned it to me. I dont know much particulars about it though. From what I understand,the car was already a well known drag car,the guy bought it and its being reconfigured for running all-motor.

wolfeman28 · Jan 17, 2003

Making a n/t drag eclipse is possible, no one has really got into it though. A guy here in ohio did it to race locally, it cost him big bucks and i really dont see how it was worth it. he had to make a custom tube front end for it, took him like 2 years to finish. Switching to a tube chasis is what all the big draggers do to loose the weight.

HighPsi91 · Jan 18, 2003

In the case of an NA drag car the benefits of AWD would be greatly overshadowed by the added weight and parasitic drivetrain loss.

FourG63 97GST · Jan 18, 2003

So he wants a 4G63 w/o the turbo right?
wouldn't the low compression be a disadvantage

kicker91laser · Jan 20, 2003

i don't know if it would be worth it, but if someone had the money, if they coul get like an old mirage, gut it, and put the high comp. 4g63 in it, and run good times, it would be pretty interesting. if i had that much money, i would just build a turbo, but some people want to be different. if they could run 10s( don't know if it is possible) they would get some attention in the n/a class.

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