a 14b will be a lot cheaper and will probably make you happy

I think the 14b tops out around 275 or so. Taking the best times (not counting that guy who made 10s on his 14b with lots of nitrous) I averaged 5 runs that were the best besides the 10 second guy, and it came out to an average of 12.24 in the 1/4 on a 14b. With proper supporting mods and lots of practice, those guys show it's feasible to slaughter Vipers and Ferraris on a stock turbo. Finding a good used 14b might only cost you $200 or less, or even a used rebuilt one with low miles for say $250. If you're deadset on a 16g, then you can get brand new small, big, or Evo from Turbochargers.com for $459, or good condition used ones for $300 or so. It's up to how much you want to spend, as they should all bolt up like a stock turbo (once you use the install kit) and will pretty much be the same as far as hooking up exhaust components. It's all about if you want to put on a 14b and be done with it, or if you have big plans for it in the future that necessitate a larger turbo for just a few extra bucks right now.

I think Matt's given you some great food for thought in his post (nice job!). Really, it comes down to personal preference. Both will require the install kit on the 2G and which you choose will depend on your goals. I'm very partial to the 16G variants and would recommend one strongly. Either way you won't be disappointed, but if you're looking for a bit more oomph, then the 16G is definitely a fun turbo that will take you far with proper supporting mods.

Andy

Pick up a 14b for cheap, or if you want to spend a little more, get an Evo III. I'm sure you'll be satisfied with supporting mods.

I say go with the 16g if you want to achieve more horsepower. However, go with the 14b if you can find one for cheap. I got a great deal on my s16g which I will be putting on in the next couple of weeks.

I would forget about the small 16G. Either get a 14B if you've only got that much to spend. If you have enough for a small 16G then save up a little bit and get the EVO III Big 16G...it's not that much more. With the EVO III, supporting mods, a good sized shot of nitrous, and tuning you can easily put down over 400 to the wheels.

I think the s16g would be a waste of $.

Well, I think it boils down to how much money you have to spend right now. On the setup that you currently have, you can safely run a 14b with a fuel pump rewire for around 300-500 bucks(turbo and install kit) If you want to get a 16g, there's gonna be a few more factors if you want to make your car fast. You could always buy a 16g and run LOW boost, but now who would want to do that. Few things you might need if purchasing a 16g. Fuel pump, Fuel injectors, Clutch, Tuning/Monitoring devices, front mount etc.......

To sum it up, I would get the 14b for now.....then as you can afford it, build up your supporting mods until you're ready to slap on the 16g........hope that helps

^^^^I agree totally. If you don't have much money to work with. It would probably be a beter decision to opt for the 14b than getting a 16g because you'll need more supporting mods...

Does anyone know anywhere that they sell new or rebuilt 14b's??? I have a swap in my 95 and the 14b ticks real bad at idle. once you boost the first time the ticking stops but I dont trust it

bobbafet7 said:

Does anyone know anywhere that they sell new or rebuilt 14b's??? I have a swap in my 95 and the 14b ticks real bad at idle. once you boost the first time the ticking stops but I dont trust it

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I dont think thats your turbo buddy...what makes you think it is coming from the turbo?

have you ever looked through the numerous "lifter tick" threads? try searching for it and see if maybe that is what you are hearing.

So how come nobody has said ANYTHING about taking the 14b off of his 1g and then buying some sort of 16g variation for this 1g. He said he was wanting to mod his 1g and didn't want to spend that much money, well he has a 14b sitting right in his lap that will pry still hold up quite well. I have put on 3 14bs on different cars and they were all used and some with cracks and they all still hold up really well and completely trash the T2small. You can piece together an install kit for under 100$ EASILY. Get a stainless steel line off ebay for 50$, file the oil return line holes 0$, 7cm steel gasket 12$, port and polish if ya want 0$, 4 crush washers for water lines 5$, You simply need to switch the water lines around and bend them slightly and you are good to go.

Im porting the 14b on my 1g eclipse and im upgrading my fuel pump to 190 and injectors to 550's and also safc or safcII .. also buying all new water and oil lines, bolts and crush washers, etc... and a 2g exhaust manifold than porting it. only going to be running about 14-16lb's on a rebuild motor too.. ALL new belts, arp studs all the way around, metal head gasket, decked and clean 1g head, balance shaft elimator, etc...

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So how come nobody has said ANYTHING about taking the 14b off of his 1g and then buying some sort of 16g variation for this 1g. He said he was wanting to mod his 1g and didn't want to spend that much money, well he has a 14b sitting right in his lap that will pry still hold up quite well. I have put on 3 14bs on different cars and they were all used and some with cracks and they all still hold up really well and completely trash the T2small. You can piece together an install kit for under 100$ EASILY. Get a stainless steel line off ebay for 50$, file the oil return line holes 0$, 7cm steel gasket 12$, port and polish if ya want 0$, 4 crush washers for water lines 5$, You simply need to switch the water lines around and bend them slightly and you are good to go.

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damn!!! thats a pretty good idea but wait a minute, mat300zxt said that some guys run
10s with a 14b how is that posible? lots of n20? how much nitrous can the stock 2g internals hold? but youre right I have a nice 14b siting on my 1g and its gonna go to my spyder once a find me a big 16g for my 1g b/c I do want to make my talon fast, somewhere close to 400hp or more I want to see if I can smoke my brothers trans am, is puting about 582 to the ground! hopefully one day!!!!! but hey thanks a lot, this dsm talk is the s**t and my wife whishes it didnt exist! one last thing. do I really have to buy the kit? what are the cons if I dont??? thanks guys!

I know when I traded out my 14b for an evo 16g. I can diffently fell a difference in power. You can get a 14b for a lot cheaper. I guess its what ever you want, depends on what horsepower and money you want to spend.

ahhh, I didnt catch that he had a 1G and a 2G, my bad.............Get the 16g for the 1G, and slap the 14b on your 2G.....you can get install kits for pretty cheap if you dont want to piece one together......i've seen alot of turbos on ebay that even come with install kits........you could buy a 16g with 2g install kit, then use the turbo for your 1g and the install kit for the 2g........

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I would forget about the small 16G. Either get a 14B if you've only got that much to spend. If you have enough for a small 16G then save up a little bit and get the EVO III Big 16G...it's not that much more. With the EVO III, supporting mods, a good sized shot of nitrous, and tuning you can easily put down over 400 to the wheels.

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What!? a 14b and a good sized shot of nitrous will easily put down 400 to the wheels. Either way the EVO3 16g is completely off the compressor map with the airflow it takes to lay down 400whp... Just because SBR does this doesn't mean that everyone else can or should. WHY OVERREV AND RUIN A NEW TURBO BY RUNNING THE SHIT OUT OF IT?!! A 50 trim can be had for as much and is right in its sweet spot without nitrous at that level.

My Small 16g has laid down 330 whp.

boostdog said:

I think the s16g would be a waste of $.

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Yea this comes from someone experienced in the use of a small 16G .

This stuff infuriates me!!! The small 16g is more efficient than a big 16g or an evo3 16g... Look at the compressor maps for the sake of us all. My small 16g was at 72% efficiency at 320 wheel horsepower...and would still be at 70% efficiency at 400 horsepower. The EVO3 can't do that. The small 16g an optimized combination of MHI parts within the 16g series.

where can I take a look at the compressor maps?

Compressor maps.

To translate MHI's airflow numbers to lbs/min multiply the nuber on the map by 154.66. remember 1 lb/min is approximately 10.5 horsepower.

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damn!!! thats a pretty good idea but wait a minute, mat300zxt said that some guys run
10s with a 14b how is that posible? lots of n20? how much nitrous can the stock 2g internals hold? but youre right I have a nice 14b siting on my 1g and its gonna go to my spyder once a find me a big 16g for my 1g b/c I do want to make my talon fast, somewhere close to 400hp or more I want to see if I can smoke my brothers trans am, is puting about 582 to the ground! hopefully one day!!!!! but hey thanks a lot, this dsm talk is the s**t and my wife whishes it didnt exist! one last thing. do I really have to buy the kit? what are the cons if I dont??? thanks guys!

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He's talking about joe bucci ( aka mitsubucci ) he has a 90 laser that is light as hell and was only running, if i remember right, a 100shot of n2o. here is a link to his site. guy is from tampa Fl. and is a very good driver. http://www.94tsiawd.com/LaserSite.html

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Yea this comes from someone experienced in the use of a small 16G .

This stuff infuriates me!!! The small 16g is more efficient than a big 16g or an evo3 16g... Look at the compressor maps for the sake of us all. My small 16g was at 72% efficiency at 320 wheel horsepower...and would still be at 70% efficiency at 400 horsepower. The EVO3 can't do that. The small 16g an optimized combination of MHI parts within the 16g series.

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That was just my opinion... if it were me i would not buy the s16g. Each to his own.

boostdog said:

That was just my opinion... if it were me i would not buy the s16g. Each to his own.

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Read the rules. No unsubstantiated opinions. Back it up or don't post it.

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Rules?? the guy wants a cheap turbo 14b or s16g. What the hell is wrong with what i said? the 14b is highly under rated. look at what can be done with it. i am backing up my statement with my experience with the 14b.i had a ported big16g..it was alot of fun. either spend a little $ and have fun or go bigger. that's all i am saying. either way have fun and happy boosting...some of u guys are really to up tight!

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Ok. this is a better post. That's is clearer to everyone reading this thread. What can be done with the 14b should have been stated to back up your opinion about spending the money for a small 16g... You're point of view is very logical to me once you started explaining. Just should have done it in the first place. No hard feelings. I see your point...

Back on topic. Yea the small 16g is for the guy who wants stock spool and about 50 more horsepower without killing his turbo in four months. The 14b can flow 31 lbs/min (good for about 325 crank horsepower) and squeak by at 70% efficiency boosting at 22 to 26 psi. It will be spinning at around 160,000 rpm!!!!! Compressor map. Multiply the given airflow on the map by 154.66 to find lbs/min for these MHI maps. There's no 14b that will last long with those demands.

The Small 16g can flow 31 lbs/min at 15 psi and be 76% efficient and be running at around 120,000 rpms. At 22-26 psi it is 72% efficient flowing 31 lbs/min and spins at around 140,000 rpms. The small 16g can go as high as 42 lbs/min (good for about 440 crank horsepower) and squeak by at 70% efficiency at 24-26 psi and will be spinning at 145,000 rpms. Compressor map. All this is done in the same spool time as the 14b . . .

The small 16g is an underrated overachiever, that doesn't get the credit it deserves.