Before you put either on, make sure you have the supporting mods to run either turbo.

Yes the 16g would be a direct bolt on.

As to where the t-3 turbo would need a new Exhaust Manifold, 02 housing, possibly the Downpipe. And if its only a oil cooled turbo, you would need to block off the water feed/drains and then get a oil line kit to feed from the oil filter housing. Then block off your feed from the head.

well i am stock now but trying to find a decent turbo. i wanted to go with the 16g just because it is the best for the money and its a direct bolt-on. i wasnt sure how the T3/T4 was. do i need to upgrade anything else besides the fuel pump and injectors which i am in the process of getting?

ocdiddy02 said:

i got a 1g and wanted to know what turbo would be better. T3 T4 or BIG 16G???

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There are quite a few different T3 or T4 turbos. Unless you want to buy a different manifold, weld a 4 bolt or 5 bolt flange on a downpipe because you will no longer be able to use your Mitsu o2 housing. Where as the 16g will be a direct swap. For your car you will need an install kit though. IMO unless you are going big there is no need to a T3 or T4.

Either way you go though don't forget you will need the fuel to run it.

I would get a downpipe and exhaust too with the fuel. You will spool faster.

JDNSBR said:

There are quite a few different T3 or T4 turbos. Unless you want to buy a different manifold, weld a 4 bolt or 5 bolt flange on a downpipe because you will no longer be able to use your Mitsu o2 housing. Where as the 16g will be a direct swap. For your car you will need an install kit though. IMO unless you are going big there is no need to a T3 or T4.

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dont you only need an install kit for a 2g.

ocdiddy02 said:

i wasnt sure how the T3/T4 was.

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The T3/T4 just refers to the turbine housing. You can fit many different wheels in them to create different turbos depending on your goals.

ocdiddy02 said:

do i need to upgrade anything else besides the fuel pump and injectors which i am in the process of getting?

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If you are adding injectors, you will need a logger and some kind of fuel control (SAFC, LINK, chip, MAFT, etc)

Black94DSM said:

Before you put either on, make sure you have the supporting mods to run either turbo.

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You can run a 16g turbo on a stock car if you keep boost less than around 15psi. I ran an EVO III with only a 1g BOV for awhile just fine.

ocdiddy02 said:

dont you only need an install kit for a 2g.

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I said that

blackGSX2g said:

The T3/T4 just refers to the turbine housing. You can fit many different wheels in them to create different turbos depending on your goals.



If you are adding injectors, you will need a logger and some kind of fuel control (SAFC, LINK, chip, MAFT, etc)



You can run a 16g turbo on a stock car if you keep boost less than around 15psi. I ran an EVO III with only a 1g BOV for awhile just fine.

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yea because my car is gonna be pretty much all stock after i put on the 16g..should i do exhaust and fuel upgrades first or will my car run fine and turbo be fine withouth that stuff for a little while. i know i wont get as much power but it should run fine still hey?

JDNSBR said:

I said that

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i have a 1g.

ocdiddy02 said:

yea because my car is gonna be pretty much all stock after i put on the 16g..should i do exhaust and fuel upgrades first or will my car run fine and turbo be fine withouth that stuff for a little while. i know i wont get as much power but it should run fine still hey?

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You can run a 16g with a stock fuel setup but for safe measures do not run anything over 12lbs of boost. After the 16g upgrade, fuel upgrades should be your next priority. Such as, 650cc injectors, DSM link or AFC, 190 or 255 Pump, and fuel pressure regulator. With out the fuel the 16g will never see it's fuel potential.

i have a 1g.

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I would change your vehicle then. It says 97 GST. I missed the opening I have a 1g. Sorry about that.

ocdiddy02 said:

yea because my car is gonna be pretty much all stock after i put on the 16g..should i do exhaust and fuel upgrades first or will my car run fine and turbo be fine withouth that stuff for a little while. i know i wont get as much power but it should run fine still hey?

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You can do the turbo first, but keep in mind that to reach the full potential of the turbo you will need an upgraded exhaust, fuel, and tuning/logging software at the least.

RiceKiller_TSi said:

With low boost I hope.

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I posted that. I ran 15psi on a bone stock 2g (other than 1g BOV) and had no issues. I wouldn't recommend pushing any more than 13-14psi-ish without a logger.

blackGSX2g said:

You can do the turbo first, but keep in mind that to reach the full potential of the turbo you will need an upgraded exhaust, fuel, and tuning/logging software at the least.



I posted that. I ran 15psi on a bone stock 2g (other than 1g BOV) and had no issues. I wouldn't recommend pushing any more than 13-14psi-ish without a logger.

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Yeah, sorry, I saw that but deleted too late.

Your car would be faster with a stock turbo and supporting mods then a car with a
$2,000 turbo and not enough supporting mods.

Just bought a rebuilt turbo and was wondering if anyone could tell me which one it is? It says:

TD05H
S 010419038

A9178-05200


Thanks,

Dustin

Dustin,

The first number in the serial is actually 49178. Your turbo is a small 16G. Great little street turbo and good for low 12's with the right setup. Just to verify that it's a 16G variant and not something else, check for double bladed fins on the intake side.

Hope that helps,

Andy

Yes it has double fins. I thought it was a small 16g. It is in very good condition! Does it just bolt right up to my car or do I need anything else to make it work? Which new gaskets will I need? Thanks.

Dustin

It will bolt directly up. you will need a new manifold to turbo gasket and the O2 housing gasket. And most likely some new crush washers for the oil and coolant lines to the turbo. Good luck.

thanks for the help.

Dustin

What is the difference between the two and which way should I go?

It all depends on what you want from your car. But Garret is good. There has been some mixed reviews about the T-netics housing and everyone is gonna have their own opinion but you might find out a little more by looking around in the turbo forum. Good luck
-ADAM-

highest flowing pure t3 from garrett = 14b... according to compressor maps and personal experience. If you don't want over 300 horsepower at the crank then a t3 will do this. If your choices are only between a T3/T4 Turbonetics Hybrid or a Garret T3 and you want more than please go T3/T4 Turbonetics Hybrid. Don't pop a good t3. It will just overrev and melt the bearing housing. Turbonetics are only what most guys run who have cars with stock garrets come with. Don't let the turbonetics reviews on this forum fool you. Go to turboford.org, gnttype.org, porsche forums, turbododge forums, ka-t.org, sr20 forums, etc. You'll see what is really happens. Failures come from guys that fail to recognize they made a mistake with their oil lines, oil pump reliability, turbo clocking, boost leaks causing turbos to overrev. There are no more manufaturer related failures than any other reliable suppliers.

Ok....this is really starting to irritate me...but i need to finally decide.
I will be using 550 injectors.
If I cant hit max psi on a evo III with 550's...then why should i buy an evo III?
Wouldnt I be better off getting a big 16g since 550s and big 16g max out at about the same psi?

I can get a big 16g and fic 550's with 3k miles on them (no shaft play) for 475 bucks.
or I can a new evo III for $530...plus another $200 for injectors.

damnit...WHICHONE???
this is so hard for me....please give me your opinions.

thank you.

pooya said:

Ok....this is really starting to irritate me...but i need to finally decide.
I will be using 550 injectors.
If I cant hit max psi on a evo III with 550's...then why should i buy an evo III?
Wouldnt I be better off getting a big 16g since 550s and big 16g max out at about the same psi?

I can get a big 16g and fic 550's with 3k miles on them (no shaft play) for 475 bucks.
or I can a new evo III for $530...plus another $200 for injectors.

damnit...WHICHONE???
this is so hard for me....please give me your opinions.

thank you.

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Depends on your finances. The Evo3 will spool better if the money doesn't matter.

eclipsh said:

Depends on your finances. The Evo3 will spool better if the money doesn't matter.

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im fwd...so a little lag isnt so bad.

how much faster does it spool anyways?

Do you have a good reason to only go to 550cc injectors? You're going to need a S-AFC or some other type of fuel management system anyways, so why not go to 660cc? You should make all of your parts choices based on your end goal with the car. If you go to the bigger injectors you can have more power and better spool with the Evo3 turbo as well as the peace of mind knowing that you're not maxing out your injectors.