well my car is done. gone. totalled. i flipped her last night.

i was coming down a road that i drive everyday. i had some friends in the car with me. i was coming up on a left turn that wasnt that bad except there was runoff coming across the road. i'd run over it earlier and it was jsut wet so i didnt think anything of it, but it had gotten cold that night. i was about to go over it when my friend in the passenger says "water, slow down" jsut being precautious...i hit the brakes at precisely the wrong time, as i was on the ice. i slid on the road, my car stalled out bc it was in gear and i didnt push the clutch in. i looked at my dash for a brief second and look up to see my car heaed straight for a telephone pole. i cut the wheel all the way to the left but i didnt go anywhere, but somehow....i missed it. there was a banked hill right next to the road that i went up, about a 10 foot distance but about 5 feet vertical. it stopped and then started to slide back down, so im thinking ok, itll slide back down to the road and everything will be ok. we slid about a foot when i felt the passenger side start to tip over. everyone was yelling but it just rolled over onto its roof where it finally stopped. everyone got out of the car and no one was hurt, thank god. called 911, police showed up along with a tow truck. as far as i know no charges (nothing was given to me) and if i recall right the officer siad there was nothing i could have done.

so now im without a car, without a job and without money. i only had liability so im not getting anything.

i wrecked near the border of a township adn the one that patrols my neighborhood, and one of theirs showed up. a friend of mine that was in the car knew him and the three of us were talking. the officer siad that i should "fight for my money" becuase the township has been told repeatedly to fix the runoff i hit that caused my accident and they havent done shit about it, and the officer from that township kind of echoed the smae thing.

i'd like to sue becuase i damn near died as did everyone else in the car and if the twp has been told about it and didnt do anything then they're ####ing liable. plus, my car's only worth about a grand.

i have a few pictures i jsut took of where it happened but they're pretty big, i'll post them if i can. i also have a cell phone pic of it still upside down. im going to try and salvage what parts i can off of it and i'll try to sell them.

as for DSM's, its more about the money than preference at this point which means ill be getting something cheap unless i end up suing the twp and getting a good deal of money. at this point i just dont know.

im just still amazed that i flipped my car and all 4 inside just walked away...

GSEclipse06 said:

i'd like to sue becuase i damn near died as did everyone else in the car and if the twp has been told about it and didnt do anything then they're ####ing liable. plus, my car's only worth about a grand.

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Yeah go ahead and sue because you drove like a idiot. Take responsibility for your retarded decisions and move on.

paranoidTSi said:

Yeah go ahead and sue because you drove like a idiot. Take responsibility for your retarded decisions and move on.

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+1

Also the city will try to take in to account an investigation and say there was no way to flip your car at 35 mph, which is what engineers have deemed as the safe speed limit for the road.

Should they have fixed it? Yes. Would the same thing have happened if you were following the speed limit? Probably not. You would be a douchebag to sue after you wrecked as a result of doing 15mph over the posted speed limit.

I do say that he shouldnt sue, but you guys didnt even read the story did you?

Car came to a stop, then started sliding back down and flipped over. Still, you shouldnt have been going that fast, and if they learn about how fast you were going, wether it was the cause of the car flipping or not, they will blame you for it all.

dont sue, youll get raped. find a job ya hoser, and buy a awd.

now see, if you were awd, you couldve just drove up the hill and not rolled it. wait, nah, if you were awd, you wouldnt have slid to get on the hill in the first place.

wait, in any case, you knew the road was 35, and since you say youve driven it numerous times, knew the possibility of water. so umm, get a job.

Haha, Get a job, Get a job. Good ol' Thomas. Don't sue for your mistake.

Seriously, people, why do you feel the need to go that fast in speed limits that are under 55? 55 and up, sure... whatever, people probably won't be crossing the street or highway there, but 35? They're generally that low cause it's a residential area, a.k.a. THERE ARE PEOPLE AROUND. You dolt.

audiousECLIPSE said:

Seriously, people, why do you feel the need to go that fast in speed limits that are under 55? 55 and up, sure... whatever, people probably won't be crossing the street or highway there, but 35? They're generally that low cause it's a residential area, a.k.a. THERE ARE PEOPLE AROUND. You dolt.

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I can't say I agree with that- when breaking the law I don't feel one is in the position to justify to which degree this is acceptable. However, you are correct that 35mph and lower speed limits are there for a reason, however they all are. People are not speeding is never a good idea.

Scrymerr said:

You would be a douchebag to sue after you wrecked as a result of doing 15mph over the posted speed limit.

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Well, and telling the whole World Wide Web about it.
Count your luck in not having 1, 2, or even 3 dead friends.

a ####ing cop was there and he slid on the ice at five ####ing miles an hour, so dont tell me that driving the speed limit would have saved shit.

plus, there have been three other accidents at the same spot including one the next morning, so it wasnt all in my driving.

2fast2furious said:

+1

Also the city will try to take in to account an investigation and say there was no way to flip your car at 35 mph, which is what engineers have deemed as the safe speed limit for the road.

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i wasnt moving when i rolled. it was stopped dead on the banked hill on the side of the road.

Take it easy guys, I'm sure he's not the first person to ever speed in a DSM. So chill out with all the chastising.

As for the whole lawsuit thing, it would be a last resort for me, being as you'll probably get beat around in court pretty bad.

Lets so far there are 11 post, 2 of them are yours and the other 9 (and mine making 10) says you're stupid.

Ok, so you were honest with us about your speed, but were you honest with the officers on scene, and will you be honest with th court. If you got to court, tell them you were going 50+mph on a 35mph zone and see what court says then. If you slid there at 35 you might have slid into the ditch and thats it, its beause you were driving like a moron that you flipped your car. You sound like a teenager. "Everything is everybody else's fault, nothing is my fault."

GSEclipse06 said:

a ####ing cop was there and he slid on the ice at five ####ing miles an hour, so dont tell me that driving the speed limit would have saved shit.

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You will never know. At least if you were doing the speed limit and the same thing happened, you would have possibly been in the position to sue.

the more i think about it the more i really dont know how fast i was going at the time. i was going fifty before but the whole reason it happened was because i slid when i was trying to slow down before hitting the ice. and dont think im just saying this because of whats being said here, everything that happened went so f*cking fast that im really not sure. i know thats roughly how fats i was going before...i downshifted the skid and had the brakes on.

laserspeeddemon said:

Lets so far there are 11 post, 2 of them are yours and the other 9 (and mine making 10) says you're stupid.

Ok, so you were honest with us about your speed, but were you honest with the officers on scene, and will you be honest with th court. If you got to court, tell them you were going 50+mph on a 35mph zone and see what court says then. If you slid there at 35 you might have slid into the ditch and thats it, its beause you were driving like a moron that you flipped your car. You sound like a teenager. "Everything is everybody else's fault, nothing is my fault."

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there was no ditch, it was hill on the side of the road. and dont hand me the responsibility bullshit, everyone (particularly those in the car) have been trying to convince me that it wasnt my fault even though i think it was due to my speed. im jsut saying that if the ice there has caused multiple accidents in the past and the twp had been told to fix it and they didint, then they share part of it too.

Lol, be glad you are ok and learn from your mistake.

You said you noticed the runoff so you knew it was there and you knew it was cold out so you shoulda put 2 and 2 together and slowed down a bit specially when you have other people's kids in your car. Imagine if you had to tell one of your friend's parents that you lost control of your car and their son is dead.

Oh yeah, THIS THREAD IS WORTHLESS WITHOUT PICS

GSEclipse06 said:

the more i think about it the more i really dont know how fast i was going at the time. i was going fifty before but the whole reason it happened was because i slid when i was trying to slow down before hitting the ice. and dont think im just saying this because of whats being said here, everything that happened went so f*cking fast that im really not sure. i know thats roughly how fats i was going before...i downshifted the skid and had the brakes on.

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i think the main point of what everyone is trying to say is that suing will be a waste of time and money for you due to the fact that speeding (whether it would have made a difference or not) would void your whole argument. now if you WERE doing the speed limit and the accident occurred, you may have a case.

GSEclipse06 said:

everyone (particularly those in the car) has been trying to convince me that it wasnt my fault even though i think it was due to my speed.

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It wasn't necessarily due to your speed.

GSEclipse06 said:

I hit the brakes at precisely the wrong time, as i was on the ice. i slid on the road, my car stalled out bc it was in gear and i didnt push the clutch in. i looked at my dash for a brief second and look up to see my car heaed straight for a telephone pole. i cut the wheel all the way to the left but i didnt go anywhere

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It was due to your lack of driving ability. You won't kill the engine by tapping the brakes to slow down unless you mash them, or are lugging the engine in an unecessarily high gear.

GSEclipse06 said:

im jsut saying that if the ice there has caused multiple accidents in the past and the twp had been told to fix it and they didint, then they share part of it too.

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Ice is ice. I live in Phoenix. Even I would note where water typically ran across the road, especially on a road that I drove down all the time "usually much faster" and be very cautious when going back across it when it got below freezing at night. I find it hard to believe that this is the first time you've been down this road and found ice on it. Especially in Pittsburgh in January.

If a city agency has ordered whoever is responsible for the run off to fix it and it has not been fixed, then the party responsible is paritally liable, but it doesn't change the fact that this more than likely another case of people not paying attention to what they should have been, namely driving.

Finally, since you and your party were all "okay" upon exiting the vehicle, which you've told us has a believable value of $1000 (93 NT), I'm thinking you would be limited to a small claims case against said responsible party. Sorry. Be thankful you weren't driving a brand new car with no gap insurance and had to climb out of it past the dead bodies of your friends.