" I want wiseman" Dude, this is dsmtuners. I don't think everyone wants to go the expensive route. The procedures will should be done in order so you can have the foundation for future mods, but the products don't have to. It's like buying the generic Frosty Flakes instead of Tony teeh Tiger stuff.

You know some of the wisemen here on the site have 13 and 14 second cars right?
Just because your name is in red, doesn't mean your car is fast. I know red is a fast color and all, but it's just not the same.

To answer your question.
Because they don't want to do it that way. Guidelines are guidelines. They have been established from 15 years of modifying. Yes, they work. But people don't always follow the same procedure. However, most everyone's reason for not following the procedures are lack of research. Most people just don't understand that a DSM isn't a Honda.

1. People can follow guidelines, and have a massive boost leak that they dont know about(or some other mechanical problem), and run crappy times for the mods that they have.
2. Another thing to think about is that these guidelines were created mostly by vendors, who will sell more products if their percieved benefits(HP) are higher than reality.
3. No 2 cars are the same

Parts and stages don't make the car go fast.

It's a combination of the following:
- a properly built car
- a good driver
- the correct engine tune

It takes all three, not just one or two. The "stage lists" are simply to help show you what parts it takes to put on the properly built car.

For some of us, the stages are about useless. I have no MAF to hack, no BCS to mess with and a MBC does me no good. When you think about it, the stages aren't that expensive at all. What is it, $2,000 for stage 1 and a total of $5,000 for stage 2 (including the stage 1 mods)? That's impressive. I'm sitting on $6,000 worth of engine mods and don't even make 200hp yet. (Well, a dyno pull will prove that, but irregardless.)

Despite being a 2GNTer, I've still read through the guides and, for the most part, they aren't that pricey to begin with. Especially when you consider you pay less when you do it right the first time. No point in half-assing something, then having to fix it later. That's always more expensive.

People don't follow the guidelines because they think they know better. It's human nature. As soon as you tell someone they have to do something or they can't do something, they want nothing less than to not do it or do it anyways, respectively.

Human nature.

Personally, I turned an $1100 HG replacement quote from the dealership into a high-compression bottom end rebuild in the back yard. That lead to a race head from Exile Racing. Then the bottom ate a wrist pin lock. That resulted in yet another high-compression bottom end. Now I need wbO2 and stand alone to keep from knocking on 91 when the ambient temps are above 105*. I always decided to build from the inside out. Those mods which were the most difficult to perform were the ones I wanted out of the way. I set my own goals (180whp/14.999ET) and built accordingly. The stages here are more a guideline for making the car blistering fast for as easily as possible.

Just my random thoughts...

2turbo4u said:

This been on my mind for sometime, I notice just about every established DSM website haves a tuning guide on how to build a fast DSM. They mostly consits of three stages, if I not mistaking Buschur developed it years ago. I have noticed that when everyone is building their cars they are all over the place w/different turbos, fuel pumps, injectors and what not and still can't run the numbers they are supposed to run. Are you people saying these formats don't work? Or you can't drive? Or you didn't bother tuning the car and that's the problem. I would like the Wisemen to answer these questionsfirst since they suppose to have the most knowledge and been their and done that under thier belts.

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I wish you luck in learning english. I understand how hard it can be to learn a second language.

To answer your question, there are many ways to skin a cat. Individuals will deviate from these guidelines on purpose. This can be because they wish to do things differently or have a need for a part out of sequence. This is suppose to be a hobby and fun...Who cares how you get there as long as you have fun along the way.

For instance, if my head goes out tomorrow I will likely pick up a race head because I plan on getting one in the future. Doing this will prevent me from buying 2 heads.

The guidelines are there to give people who are nieve a path that will help them learn.

crankbender said:

I wish you luck in learning english. I understand how hard it can be to learn a second language.

To answer your question, there are many ways to skin a cat. Individuals will deviate from these guidelines on purpose. This can be because they wish to do things differently or have a need for a part out of sequence. This is suppose to be a hobby and fun...Who cares how you get there as long as you have fun along the way.

For instance, if my head goes out tomorrow I will likely pick up a race head because I plan on getting one in the future. Doing this will prevent me from buying 2 heads.

The guidelines are there to give people who are nieve a path that will help them learn.

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i agree, my car crankwalked before i even had half the "stage 1" mods completed, so i opted for a stronger 6 bolt (forged pistons, 1G big rods, ARP etc...) now a boost leak is holding me back from making the kind of power i set out to make (and a good tune).

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crankbender said:

I wish you luck in learning english. I understand how hard it can be to learn a second language.

To answer your question, there are many ways to skin a cat. Individuals will deviate from these guidelines on purpose. This can be because they wish to do things differently or have a need for a part out of sequence. This is suppose to be a hobby and fun...Who cares how you get there as long as you have fun along the way.

For instance, if my head goes out tomorrow I will likely pick up a race head because I plan on getting one in the future. Doing this will prevent me from buying 2 heads.

The guidelines are there to give people who are nieve a path that will help them learn.

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First thing first why do you have to come on and rant about someones grammar? If the wording was so bad you wouldn't been able to answer the question. Please just stick to the question instead of trying to think your smarter than someone else. The post was just to understand why some people do things a certain way? Noticed I didn't bash know one about what times theyare running or what power they are making. I just wondered if anyone tried the guide and proved that it works or don't. Like you said their are many ways to skin a cat, but the fun you talking about is very painfull to some. Look at the thread "who's car is down and why." How many pages is that ? Anyway thanks for giving you input, and keep on making dsm"s #1

2turbo4u said:

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First thing first why do you have to come on and rant about someones grammar? If the wording was so bad you wouldn't been able to answer the question. Please just stick to the question instead of trying to think your smarter than someone else. The post was just to understand why some people do things a certain way? Noticed I didn't bash know one about what times theyare running or what power they are making. I just wondered if anyone tried the guide and proved that it works or don't. Like you said their are many ways to skin a cat, but the fun you talking about is very painfull to some. Look at the thread "who's car is down and why." How many pages is that ? Anyway thanks for giving you input, and keep on making dsm"s #1

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I didn't rant. I seriously thought that english had to be your second language. Now I KNOW better.

Seriously I have NO grasp on what you are asking. Do you want to KNOW if anyone ever uses the tuning guide? Do you want to KNOW if they have any success?

In general if you follow the guide you will have success and learn along the way. Those that do follow the guide post less because of this.

2turbo4u said:

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First thing first why do you have to come on and rant about someones grammar?

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If you want a serious answer to a question, you need to learn correct spelling and grammar or it makes you look like an idiot. If you can't formulate a proper question you don't deserve a serious answer.

L2RTSiAWD said:

If you want a serious answer to a question, you need to learn correct spelling and grammar or it makes you look like an idiot. If you can't formulate a proper question you don't deserve a serious answer.

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Example:
Why know body follows the basic tuning guideline?


I won't say another word concerning this thread.

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Maybe not no one knows what you are attempting to relate to them, you incredibly imbecilic cretin.

Defiant didn't take his pills this morning huh...?

ddavisaf said:

Defiant didn't take his pills this morning huh...?

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haha, Nope. He's himself today; he definitely took them.

You know, that explains SOO much...

Defiant said:

May bee knot know won nos watt ewe air ate emptying two real ate two thumb.

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This is too funny, I was trying to figure out what the hell that meant, until I found the text in white under it.