Race gas, a good turbo and at least 780cc inj's.
What are you guys making for power on PUMP? I will have a 60-1 with a Walbro/AFPR. 650cc's now. EPROM ECU w/DSMchip. CAI. Comp cams 101200's, header with ported EVO III 02 housing and 3" back. Spearco 2-221 FMIC. MAF-Translator, blow thru. Wideband and Scanmaster. Ihave run 23 PSI on my 110psi compression 7.8:1 110k mile stock block motor. I will be shooting for 25 psi with the fresh motor. May go with denso 720's.
I have 112 leaded readily available but only for special occasions. Right now every day is special with about 5 gallons in every tank! Mark

that new engine can support well over 25 psi, escpecially w/ all forged internalls and ARP hardware. you could easily run 35+ psi w/ this block tuned correctly.
Someone I know runs 34psi on a 60-1 turbo w/ a stock 6 bolt bottom w/ ARP rod bolts and main bolts, ARP head studs and a mitsu 4 layer HG

project_tsi said:

that new engine can support well over 25 psi, escpecially w/ all forged internalls and ARP hardware. you could easily run 35+ psi w/ this block tuned correctly.
Someone I know runs 34psi on a 60-1 turbo w/ a stock 6 bolt bottom w/ ARP rod bolts and main bolts, ARP head studs and a mitsu 4 layer HG

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I agree, 30+ PSI should not be any problem. Just make sure you tune it well and you'll be fine on C16, may need to watch out with 112 octane or less if you mix it at 30+.

How much power would you use the DSMlink to before switching to a standalone would really become beneficial?

If you don't make the power you want on pump gas add meth. It's nice to drive around with your motor drinking pump swill, then when you get on it you get all that nice cooling alcohol for tons of octane.

I like meth. I plan on using some next week because ive been feeling kind of sluggish lately. If this stuff is as good as I am told it is I should be eble to pick me up another couple pounds.

Scrymerr said:

How much power would you use the DSMlink to before switching to a standalone would really become beneficial?

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Dan, that "sentence" made no sense at all

He doesn't have DSMLink or mention anything about a standalone... what are you talking about?

Scrymerr said:

How much power would you use the DSMlink to before switching to a standalone would really become beneficial?

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He says, "how much power, using DSMlink, would you make before switching to a standalone would be worthwhile"?
I use a MAF-Translator, Scanmaster and a wideband. I don't think there is a specific power limit to each, though there probably is espcially with my crude tuning devices, before an upgrage would be beneficial. Much comes down to computer skills. A friend uses an "Ostrich" to tune his 2.4 with, that and software with a lot of letters and numbers. I can't use a cellphone! On WebTV ruight now, can't use a computer. NO cableTV.
I was doing quite well wih the MAF-T and will use the fine tuning feature once the stage 3 is broken in. I will be using HKS 272's at Davids suggestion. Mark

98spydert said:

Dan, that "sentence" made no sense at all

He doesn't have DSMLink or mention anything about a standalone... what are you talking about?

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Haha... hey now, I tried. Yea, it was kinda off topic. I was just wondering to what power levels people have used DSMlink to?

Scrymerr said:

Haha... hey now, I tried. Yea, it was kinda off topic. I was just wondering to what power levels people have used DSMlink to?

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it's all good.

There's a hand full of guys on the DSMLink forums that are running 9s with DSMLink. Not sure what power level that's at, maybe 700ish without a lot of weight reduction?

Mark, I don't think you'll achieve power levels anywhere near what your long block will be cable of on pump gas with just an eprom chip and the MAF-T. You'll need more precise tuning tools and definitely timing control. DSMLink is the minimum.

98spydert said:

it's all good.

There's a hand full of guys on the DSMLink forums that are running 9s with DSMLink. Not sure what power level that's at, maybe 700ish without a lot of weight reduction?

Mark, I don't think you'll achieve power levels anywhere near what your long block will be cable of on pump gas with just an eprom chip and the MAF-T. You'll need more precise tuning tools and definitely timing control. DSMLink is the minimum.

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You dont need timing control.

Warren put down 648whp with his Pro-M MAF for tuning and a stock ECU that was chipped and no timing control...

Not really a goal but 500HP sounds nice! I am computer illiterate so DSMlink is out. MAFT and EPROM will have to do. 112 leaded is readily available at $6.99/gallon so pump will be my tuning fuel so road trips will be consistant. mark

sweet97 said:

Not really a goal but 500HP sounds nice! I am computer illiterate so DSMlink is out. MAFT and EPROM will have to do. 112 leaded is readily available at $6.99/gallon so pump will be my tuning fuel so road trips will be consistant. mark

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If you are going the Maf-T route then go with a pro-m!

Super easy to use and no need for a laptop or anything like that.

Didn't know they were out yet. How much? Super easy? I'll have to look into one. I would have to sell my existing MAF-T. Need a new upper pipe also? I'll check the fullthrottle site. Thanks! Mark

If youre computer illiterate and think that DSMlink is out, you'll slit your wrists if you try the AEM EMS.

sweet97 said:

Didn't know they were out yet. How much? Super easy? I'll have to look into one. I would have to sell my existing MAF-T. Need a new upper pipe also? I'll check the fullthrottle site. Thanks! Mark

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Yeah its easy to use. Fullthrottle doesnt sell one of the kits.

I PMed you about it.

Go to www.srvperformance.com

So what's the difference between the regular MAFT set up? Are the "Professional Mass Air Systems mass airflow sensors" more accurate than the GM hot-wire MAFs? It looks like a version of the new MAF-T pro that just costs $250 more. An real explination of the pro-M would help if anyone knows what they are?

I think the "new" M-pro allows more fine tuning than the staple,the fullthrottle speed MAFT. Mrk

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So what's the difference between the regular MAFT set up? Are the "Professional Mass Air Systems mass airflow sensors" more accurate than the GM hot-wire MAFs? It looks like a version of the new MAF-T pro that just costs $250 more. An real explination of the pro-M would help if anyone knows what they are?

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The Pro-M first off gets accurate information from both the baro sensor and also temp sensor and adjusts the cars tune when you change elevation and when there is outside temp changes for when the temp outside drops on those chilly nights. When that happens you do not need to re tune your car which is really nice where I live because there can be a big difference in temp between the day time and the night time.

The Pro-M also tunes on load rather than the normal RPM and throttle position. Everyone knows that you can be at 3 grand and 100% throttle with one setup and be at full boost or else you could be at no boost and the S-AFC will be dumping in the same amount of gas at either scenario but with the Pro-M it adds fuel based on how much air you are flowing. When you tune your car LEDs light up on the MafTuner box and you adjust the knob that is right above it to tune for that load point. Once you have tuned in for all the load points that light up you are done tuning even after you add a performance part (just as long as you don't go above what you already tuned for) because the pro-m has tuned based on how much air is flowing through the meter rather than just RPM and throttle. If you light up a higher light than what you tuned for then you tune in that light and the rest are still tuned in.

So this setup is like a maf+tuner combination all in one.

The GM hot-wire sensor responds to temp change and pressure indirectly without the need for a separate temp and baro sensor. You also tune the thing based on airflow which I'm assuming is what you mean by this new piggy back tuning based on load rather than rpm/tps points.

This thing costs more than DSMLink and can't do anything other than manipulate the airflow signal; after all it's just another piggy back controller. Obviously better than the SAFC and possibly a little better than the MAF-t. Anyone else are to comment on this thing? Seems like it'll crash and burn when the new PC based MAF-T PRO comes out in 2 months with the ability to run speed density. Fullthrottle speed claims it will be around $399.

This setup isnt for everyone. Its made to be easy to use and not need a laptop to tune your car in great. Its a simple product that has great advantages. The Pro-M Maf is probably the best flowing maf on the market. A vast majority of the mustang crowd uses this maf on their cars becuase it flows so well.

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If you are going the Maf-T route then go with a pro-m!

Super easy to use and no need for a laptop or anything like that.

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Hate to break it to you guys, but Pro M went out of business a little while ago.

CanadianTalon said:

Hate to break it to you guys, but Pro M went out of business a little while ago.

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Pro-Flow went out of business but Another business named Professional Mass Air Systems is now making the Pro-M products.

billdo_83 said:

Pro-Flow went out of business but Another business named Professional Mass Air Systems is now making the Pro-M products.

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Just curious but are you involved in the production or marketing of this thing? The only search results for this system include you and 2 other guys from Michigan telling everyone to BUY BUY BUY!!!