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Resolved No OBD2 connection, not running, 95 GSX.

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Hello all, I have searched and searched every thread, and though several are similar they all seem to lead to dead ends. Here is what happened:

Car was running and driving fine, no noticable issues. I leave the car for about a month untouched, arrive back and the battery is dead. I hook it up to the charger, battery barely taking any power. I put it to the 200amp jump cycle and try to start the car, turns and turns for days, wont start. Few things I noticed, RPMs and boost gauge do not move when key is cycled and engine turned over, and possibly related, maybe not, sunroof stopped working. Check engine light does turn on. Car is a 95 GSX with a 6 bolt swap, 90 CAS. Car has never not started before.

Here is a list of what I have done in diagnosis so far:

Attempted to scan car, found scan tool did not connect, nor would link connect (and no green light on cable.

Checked power at pin 16 on OBD2 port, read 12v
Checked continuity at 4 and 5 on OBD2 port, both good.
Fuel pump kicks on (external pump setup with separate relay using MPI relay to trigger).
Checked for spark, confirmed spark.
Checked all wiring over leading to ECU and relays, as well as checked every fuse inside and out. Also confirmed all clean contacts, no corrosion.
MPI relay functions, confirmed voltage at both black/red wires, attempted grounding the blue wire (though as stated, fuel pump functioning), and traced back to ECU to confirm voltage.

I caved and sent my ECU in to ECMTuning to repair, they checked everything over and gave it a clean bill of health and sent back.

I checked all wiring over, no rodent damage and no issues found. All grounds intact, clean, and corrosion free. I had also added grounds prior to ensure no issues ever arose.

Here are "issues" I have found.

OBD2 pin 1 reads .2volts, reading in other threads it appears it should have 5 volts. I traced the wire to the pin on ECU and checked, same voltage there. Followed pin 56 and pin 62 from ECU through harness to large blue plug in center console, no issues there.

Injectors have 12v to them, cannot confirm pulse, and plugs dry.

Obviously primary issue being car wont start, assuming the lack of connection at diagnostic port and not running being related.


Does anyone have any direction to go? My vision is going from looking at wiring schematics for the last 10 hours straight, and my car is ripped apart and looks like a war has ripped through it.
 
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Just an update if anyone happens across this thread later.

Resolution: two issues found that were messing with the connection. The first, pin 56 at the ECU somehow had shifted back in the plug, and was making an intermittent connection. Second issue is in the OBD2 plug itself with the pins being stretched at the contacts. Pulled them all and bent them in to make them tighter.
Here are "issues" I have found.

obd pin 1 reads .2volts, reading in other threads it appears it should have 5 volts. I traced the wire to the pin on ecu and checked, same voltage there. Followed pin 56 and pin 62 from ecu through harness to large blue plug in center console, no issues there.

Sorry to post more diagrams but it helps to have something to look at while discussing.


2g-obd2-png.684422


ODB2 pin 1 is used to tell the ECU and others that they should be in diagnostic mode by pulling it low. If ECMTuning checked out the ECU I'm assuming that it functioned on their test rig, You can try unplugging that pin from the connector and see if it goes high at the ECU.

ODB2 pin 7 is used to pass data between the ECU and Diag tool/Datalogger. Once the Datalogger has pulled pin 1 low it has to send magical data to the ECU to get it to start talking to it.

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Grounding the Blue/Green wire from ECU pin 38 to MPI pin 6 turns the MPI Relay on to power the ECU and various sensors. Grounding the White/Red wire from ECU pin 8 to MPI pin 5 turns the fuel pump on, on the 93/96 cars.

You said that the CEL turns on, but does it turn off after 5 seconds? You also stated that the boost gauge does not move when you turn the key on or while you crank the engine.

Have you found anything else going on?
 
Sorry to post more diagrams but it helps to have something to look at while discussing.


2g-obd2-png.684422


ODB2 pin 1 is used to tell the ECU and others that they should be in diagnostic mode by pulling it low. If ECMTuning checked out the ECU I'm assuming that it functioned on their test rig, You can try unplugging that pin from the connector and see if it goes high at the ECU.

ODB2 pin 7 is used to pass data between the ECU and Diag tool/Datalogger. Once the Datalogger has pulled pin 1 low it has to send magical data to the ECU to get it to start talking to it.

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Grounding the Blue/Green wire from ECU pin 38 to MPI pin 6 turns the MPI Relay on to power the ECU and various sensors. Grounding the White/Red wire from ECU pin 8 to MPI pin 5 turns the fuel pump on, on the 93/96 cars.

You said that the CEL turns on, but does it turn off after 5 seconds? You also stated that the boost gauge does not move when you turn the key on or while you crank the engine.

Have you found anything else going on?
So as of this morning, and another several hours of diagnosis I have been able to get the car to run again, but still no connection at the diag port.

To answer your questions, cel does not turn off, it stays on. The boost gauge never moves, regardless of cranking or not.

I had grounded the blue/green wire from pin 6 prior to being able to start the car, and no difference was made.

Now pulling the pin 1 to see if it goes high, you are referring to removing the pin at the connector at the ecu, pin 56 correct?
 
Yes, and then you need some way to back probe the ECU pin since the connector pin won't be there.
Gotcha. I have a spare harness, Ill cut a lead off with pin and pop that back in for testing. If it is not connected and goes high, then I know that is good and it lies in the wiring from pin 56 to the diag port/other connections the diagram shows?
 
Just an update if anyone happens across this thread later.

Resolution: two issues found that were messing with the connection. The first, pin 56 at the ECU somehow had shifted back in the plug, and was making an intermittent connection. Second issue is in the OBD2 plug itself with the pins being stretched at the contacts. Pulled them all and bent them in to make them tighter.
 
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