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2G Noise when clutch depressed & won’t go in gear unless engine off

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1greyawdtsi

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Sep 18, 2009
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Hi. Per attached video (think I attached it) & in regard to the title. After some research it seems likely a bad throw out bearing. Anyway I’m curious if any consensus of thoughts on the cause of the sound the clutch/transmission is making when I depress the clutch pedal to the floor in the video?
PO said he installed an ACT 2100. TOB is unknown. I have bleed and adjusted clutch with no improvement. Input is appreciated - Thanks!
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Have some room in front of the car. Put in first gear, clutch in and start it. If it jumps you know you have a clutch problem. Obviously be prepared to shut it down or have the emergency brake on and be prepared for it to jump and stall. Wouldn't matter if its bearing or clutch as trans comes down either way. I vote for broken clutch.
 
Appreciate the response. Out of pure chance I have about 3 weeks off coming up over Christmas and the New Year. So I’m trying to do some preliminary research & get the motivation to drop the transmission. I enjoy the work and saving the money but after - over 20 years and owning several 1 & 2G DSMs - this is my first transmission drop. So I’m kinda nervous ...
 
I've owned the same 1G DSM for over 28 years and dropped the trans for the first time this fall. It wasn't as bad as I'd feared. It's a pain, of course, since you have to remove a bunch of parts, but once they're out taking it out isn't that hard. Just make sure you use a trans jack as you risk dropping and damaging it if you use a floor jack, and work slowly.

As to what's causing this problem, I'm not the one to ask as I'm just getting into trans and driveline repair and rely on folks here to guide me along. I took mine off to replace the clutch, whose friction surface was completely gone. The trans itself also has an issue that I have to deal with, but I had to put the trans back on temporarily. Of course it still won't move because the slave cylinder is shot and I'm waiting to receive a new one I ordered. But that doesn't require dropping the trans.

Good luck and keep us up to date. We all learn from others' car issues.

Btw I lived in Seattle for 10 years, and had my Talon with me the whole time. It's been up to Paradise on Ranier at least 3-4 times, the Olympic peninsula, Vancouver, eastern WA, etc. Handles great on those mountain and country roads. Also a great cross-country drive car.
 
The 1g cloth seats are super comfy, they are overstuffed and more forgiving by far than the 2g seats, you could basically sleep in them if you needed to without your rear being numb after a couple of hours.
 
There was more than one occasion on a long drive when I was tempted to sleep in the car since the seats are so comfortable and recline so much. Never did it, though. Not keen on the idea of being woken up by a cop tapping on the window pointing a bright flashlight.
 
The 1g cloth seats are super comfy, they are overstuffed and more forgiving by far than the 2g seats, you could basically sleep in them if you needed to without your rear being numb after a couple of hours.
Off topic...but fully guilty on my end. LOL The seats are comfy as hell..sleep was great
 
Its not too bad pulling the trans. As with anything, the first time is always a bit scary because you've never done it before. But once you do it once, the rest of the times will be much smoother! Just take your time and be patient.
 
Any odd feeling in the pedal? I had a throw out bearing go out and your issue seems TOB related. Mine felt like I was crushing a pop can under the pedal at the very end.

One way to check is by pulling back the clutch fork boot and peeking inside. I did, and a bunch of little ball bearings fell out.

Dropping the trans is intimidating before you start, but super straight forward once you take the first step of getting in to begin with. The very first thing I ever had to do to my car was pull the trans - within the first month or two of ownership. I knew absolutely zero about working on cars, but with my dad's hand tools, and Jafromobile's video guides, I was able to get it done.

Good luck, and feel free to pm me if you need any tips along the way!
 
Any odd feeling in the pedal? I had a throw out bearing go out and your issue seems TOB related. Mine felt like I was crushing a pop can under the pedal at the very end.

One way to check is by pulling back the clutch fork boot and peeking inside. I did, and a bunch of little ball bearings fell out.

Good luck, and feel free to pm me if you need any tips along the way!

Two days before - the day - I couldn’t get it into any gear. It was having trouble or it was trickier than usually getting into 1st gear. It’s also never been great at going into 1st gear (no grinds but real notchy & car is 300 miles shy of 200,000 miles). But yeah the day right before, the pedal did have a slightly crunchy feel.
Now I’m looking into transmission jacks. Not sure yet if that’s a buy or rent proposition? I’ll be doing the job solo and I’m still a pretty good bench pressing but I’d rather bench press steel plates instead of 5 speed transmissions .
I’m also researching if I can get away with just a new ACT street disc and oem TOB or if I should replace both the disc and the pressure plate? I’ve got some research to do first. But likely I’ll get started in earnest early next week. Appreciate the replies, help and opinions - thanks !
 
Agreed. Seemed a lot scarier than it was. Worst part by far was the prep, taking out all those parts that have to come out before the trans can be dropped. And even then it wasn't hard so much as there being so many parts to take out. Only hard part was the t-case, if the OP has an AWD. It's heavy and hard to balance and remove without a jack or really strong arms.

I have to drop the trans again soon to fix some issues with it but now it won't seem as intimidating. Not looking forward to getting it back on, especially with the subframe back on now, but I'll deal.
 
Yeah, sounds like your TOB is about to call it quits.

I've R&R'd my trans a total of 5 times now and only had a transmission jack for 1 of those times (which I will admit, was the easiest). The others, I used a piece of wood to spread the load on a regular floor jack. It helps tremendously to have a helper to assist in keeping the transmission balanced from above while you do the heavy lifting/moving from under the car. If you have access to a trans jack, that would definitely be preferred but not necessary.

As far as what to replace, you can get away with just a disc and TOB if the flywheel and pressure plate aren't too worn. Always safer to replace it all, especially if you want to make sure you get the most time before having to do the job again. Think 5 years vs 3 - just as a generalization, not actual numbers.

All in all, it'll probably be about 12-14 hours worth of work your first time around. People best their chest about doing it in 4 hours or whatever, but if you're like me and spend hours cleaning and inspecting everything, and treating things with extra care, there's no shame in it being a double digit hour job.
 
Agreed. Seemed a lot scarier than it was. Worst part by far was the prep, taking out all those parts that have to come out before the trans can be dropped. And even then it wasn't hard so much as there being so many parts to take out. Only hard part was the t-case, if the OP has an AWD. It's heavy and hard to balance and remove without a jack or really strong arms.

I have to drop the trans again soon to fix some issues with it but now it won't seem as intimidating. Not looking forward to getting it back on, especially with the subframe back on now, but I'll deal.
For the OPS sake I'm going to disagree. Tcase is easy. You do need to have the car up a ways to be comfortable. I'm in a southern state so it comes off easy. Sit it on your chest and slide out from under it. I've done at least 50 and never did a jack
 
Agree on t-case being easy. I think XC92 may have been referring to the transmission as far as the use of a jack though.

Either way, there are some parts of the job that will take you longer on your first time through, but just be persistent and its definitely worth it to do it yourself. You'll be happy you did once you're finished.


For the OPS sake I'm going to disagree. Tcase is easy. You do need to have the car up a ways to be comfortable. I'm in a southern state so it comes off easy. Sit it on your chest and slide out from under it. I've done at least 50 and never did a jack
 
I’m starting to look forward to getting started on this project. Tuners (and even DSM Talk) have/had always been a tremendous resource. I’ve had many a leaky yolk repair or replace over the years. The T case doesn’t worry me.
I’ll probably just replace it all - disc, pressure plate, TOB, etc.. I too am a clean, inspect and take my time type of guy. The good news is the car is a west cost car, a zero rust situation. Coming from 35 years living in upstate NY this now makes every job seem so much easier.
Also while doing the transmission job I’ll be replacing the power steering rack. It’s been out for 1.5 years. I relish the idea of easily parallel parking again!
One question for you guys. How high off the ground is ideal for remove/replacing the transmission? Does it need to be way up - to give myself the most room and options? TY!
 
I’m starting to look forward to getting started on this project. Tuners (and even DSM Talk) have/had always been a tremendous resource. I’ve had many a leaky yolk repair or replace over the years. The T case doesn’t worry me.
I’ll probably just replace it all - disc, pressure plate, TOB, etc.. I too am a clean, inspect and take my time type of guy. The good news is the car is a west cost car, a zero rust situation. Coming from 35 years living in upstate NY this now makes every job seem so much easier.
Also while doing the transmission job I’ll be replacing the power steering rack. It’s been out for 1.5 years. I relish the idea of easily parallel parking again!
One question for you guys. How high off the ground is ideal for remove/replacing the transmission? Does it need to be way up - to give myself the most room and options? TY!
I prefer it as high as i can get howevwr i don't use a trans jack. I use a cherry picker and suspend the trans.
 
Yup, you'll want it as high up as you can safely get it. Lay some cardboard or old cut of carpet down so you can set the trans on it and pull it out from under the car easier too. You might have to tetris it through the wheel well just a bit if your jack stands aren't tall enough.
 
For the OPS sake I'm going to disagree. Tcase is easy. You do need to have the car up a ways to be comfortable. I'm in a southern state so it comes off easy. Sit it on your chest and slide out from under it. I've done at least 50 and never did a jack

Actually come to think of it removing the t-case itself wasn't that bad, although removing the bolts was a pain as it hadn't been done in nearly a decade. It was reinstalling it that was a pain because of its weight and the lack of much space under the car when on jack stands. That's where I had to use a jack. I'm not exactly a bodybuilder and anything north of 30lbs is an effort for me at those angles.
 
Actually come to think of it removing the t-case itself wasn't that bad, although removing the bolts was a pain as it hadn't been done in nearly a decade. It was reinstalling it that was a pain because of its weight and the lack of much space under the car when on jack stands. That's where I had to use a jack. I'm not exactly a bodybuilder and anything north of 30lbs is an effort for me at those angles.
I agree install isn’t super easy or super hard for the t case.
It is fairly heavy in a smaller but wobbly shaped unit. I always use a jack to get it up go to where it goes. And fight to keep it from rolling off to one side or the other, until I get a few turns on the first bolt.
I’m sure once I get into this project, I’ll re-read this thread and others looking for clues. :)
 
I keep meaning to build an extended saddle for my floor jack out of plywood or a 2x4 as there's no way I can reinstall the t-case without one in this application. Not looking forward to it but I'm going to have to take it all down again to fix a trans issue and put in a new flywheel.
 
I keep meaning to build an extended saddle for my floor jack out of plywood or a 2x4 as there's no way I can reinstall the t-case without one in this application. Not looking forward to it but I'm going to have to take it all down again to fix a trans issue and put in a new flywheel.
I get that & I Wish you good luck with yours as well!
 
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