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Berea,
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I realize quite well what I'm into. Finding a decent welder as we speak, collision center guys that do this stuff for a living. I want to see what they say about swapping the passenger frame rails. I could be well wrong but having the frame rail swapped, I don't see any reason why the 4g63 couldn't fit. The frame rails on the two cars are identical, just mirrored. If they can maintain structural integrity then that is what I'm going to do. I don't care if they even decide to just decide to patch it instead of welding the whole frame rail in... they are the pros and I'm not about to trust my welding skills at such an important area. It is something I know I'd need to address and if it fizzles out then so be it.
As far as the rear swap, it looks to me just like a Spyder/GS-T AWD swap. Remove the two front bolts, add in two more bolts into holes already in the frame and zip it up. The rear subframe in the Sebring seems to be the exact subframe that is used for FWD Eclipse's. The gas tank is the same that is used for FWD Eclipses. If those two parts are the same then there is a good chance that the swap will work.
The driveshaft/propeller or whatever it is called, yeah I know that will not fit. Wheel bases are around 7" difference from hub to hub. I'm unsure of the actual distance from transfer case to differential but that will be addressed at some point and once I get exact measurements I'll do what needs to be done. People work on driveshafts for a living, it is what they do. There is so little information about this but for all I know a driveshaft from a Galant VR-4 will work, or even a different make/model car all together. If I have to save up for another 6 months/a year to have one custom made, so be that too.
I've got a Sebring LXi on the way that has amazing interior that is going to allow for a really nice upgrade to the car's interior. I also plan on installing the sunroof as well. I know that isn't a bolt on procedure as well but it is what I'm going to do.
@BAD Thanks for the link. Any idea how I could sign up there? Seems the Captcha is broke and I cannot register. I'd LOVE to see that thread about the Sebring/Avenger stuff. Any help I can get is more than welcome. Thanks again for the info. I've searched hours and hours and never found that site before... maybe I suck at searching. Please let me know if you know someone that I can get in contact with so I can register.
@buhay6 I could well be wrong here but the Sebring's chassis is identical to a GS and other 420a Eclipses/Talons/whatever. With the motors being rotated as compared to the 4g63, the side transmission mounts are on the opposite sides along with a "hump" that adds clearance for the transmission itself. I've got the GSX's frame rail and if that can be swapped into the Sebring then there isn't a whole different to a 4g63 setup. There may be a few mounts here or there on the firewall that may be different but that isn't anything a rivet nut couldn't fix. Or possibly a grommet or two if need be. I'm not planning on using a stock harness, getting one from Haltech(awesome dude's BTW). I visited their shop the other day and talked to the dude that was making my harness.
@tametalon92 What do you mean by "standard swap?" You referring to the whole front clip vs. the frame rail/cut&patch? And yeah, I'm %100 wanting to go with a stock Sebring look. My wife is very, very particular about her car and the whole game is trying to do all these upgrades while keeping the "essence" alive. I've surprised she wanted to go with the leather interior upgrade to be honest. I found just a little rust in the truck, driver side by the wheel well. Nothing structural. She cried after finding it. There is a whole big backstory about the car and her, nearly losing it after a wreck and busting her but for months getting it back from the insurance company. We all can identify with having our "baby," be it a car, motorcycle or whatever. This is, without a doubt, her baby.
But honestly, If it all goes to crap, and it may well at any moment, I'll call it quits before damaging her car and if we have to end up settling with a few bolt on upgrades to her 420a to get 20-40 more HP out of it, so be it. I'm not afraid to fail, I'm more afraid of giving up.
As far as the rear swap, it looks to me just like a Spyder/GS-T AWD swap. Remove the two front bolts, add in two more bolts into holes already in the frame and zip it up. The rear subframe in the Sebring seems to be the exact subframe that is used for FWD Eclipse's. The gas tank is the same that is used for FWD Eclipses. If those two parts are the same then there is a good chance that the swap will work.
The driveshaft/propeller or whatever it is called, yeah I know that will not fit. Wheel bases are around 7" difference from hub to hub. I'm unsure of the actual distance from transfer case to differential but that will be addressed at some point and once I get exact measurements I'll do what needs to be done. People work on driveshafts for a living, it is what they do. There is so little information about this but for all I know a driveshaft from a Galant VR-4 will work, or even a different make/model car all together. If I have to save up for another 6 months/a year to have one custom made, so be that too.
I've got a Sebring LXi on the way that has amazing interior that is going to allow for a really nice upgrade to the car's interior. I also plan on installing the sunroof as well. I know that isn't a bolt on procedure as well but it is what I'm going to do.
@BAD Thanks for the link. Any idea how I could sign up there? Seems the Captcha is broke and I cannot register. I'd LOVE to see that thread about the Sebring/Avenger stuff. Any help I can get is more than welcome. Thanks again for the info. I've searched hours and hours and never found that site before... maybe I suck at searching. Please let me know if you know someone that I can get in contact with so I can register.
@buhay6 I could well be wrong here but the Sebring's chassis is identical to a GS and other 420a Eclipses/Talons/whatever. With the motors being rotated as compared to the 4g63, the side transmission mounts are on the opposite sides along with a "hump" that adds clearance for the transmission itself. I've got the GSX's frame rail and if that can be swapped into the Sebring then there isn't a whole different to a 4g63 setup. There may be a few mounts here or there on the firewall that may be different but that isn't anything a rivet nut couldn't fix. Or possibly a grommet or two if need be. I'm not planning on using a stock harness, getting one from Haltech(awesome dude's BTW). I visited their shop the other day and talked to the dude that was making my harness.
@tametalon92 What do you mean by "standard swap?" You referring to the whole front clip vs. the frame rail/cut&patch? And yeah, I'm %100 wanting to go with a stock Sebring look. My wife is very, very particular about her car and the whole game is trying to do all these upgrades while keeping the "essence" alive. I've surprised she wanted to go with the leather interior upgrade to be honest. I found just a little rust in the truck, driver side by the wheel well. Nothing structural. She cried after finding it. There is a whole big backstory about the car and her, nearly losing it after a wreck and busting her but for months getting it back from the insurance company. We all can identify with having our "baby," be it a car, motorcycle or whatever. This is, without a doubt, her baby.
But honestly, If it all goes to crap, and it may well at any moment, I'll call it quits before damaging her car and if we have to end up settling with a few bolt on upgrades to her 420a to get 20-40 more HP out of it, so be it. I'm not afraid to fail, I'm more afraid of giving up.
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