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Ludachris

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I know we've all seen the backlash on social media... I have my own opinions on it, but is anyone in here seriously considering getting one or know of someone who is? It's obviously not a DSM, and nobody needs to bash it because it isn't a DSM (or Mitsubishi) - hell, I wish Mitsu was partnering with another brand and trying something like this. But they're not.

So, thoughts on the BMW A90 Supra? I imagine a lot of the old DSM vendors (and a few of our supporting vendors) will be making parts for it.
 
Hey, they did it much better than what Mitsubishi has been doing IMO! I wish they incorporated a little bit more of the MK4 into the body of the new car. There was a cool rendering floating around the internet that did just that, and I liked it much more than what Toyota came up with, but oh well. I like that they kept it an inline 6 turbo, but not so fond that it's BMW's engine. I will admit though, I really do like the rear of the car, pretty slick looking (and also Lexus-y looking). Can't wait to run into one on the streets, or the track :)

Link of that render below.

https://carbuzz.com/news/is-this-wh...w-GW3qJwUkFrc0r4UEEPHeJQzSqcMxGyycBidseFl6wtU
 
Hey, they did it much better than what Mitsubishi has been doing IMO! I wish they incorporated a little bit more of the MK4 into the body of the new car. There was a cool rendering floating around the internet that did just that, and I liked it much more than what Toyota came up with, but oh well. I like that they kept it an inline 6 turbo, but not so fond that it's BMW's engine. I will admit though, I really do like the rear of the car, pretty slick looking (and also Lexus-y looking). Can't wait to run into one on the streets, or the track :)

Link of that render below.

https://carbuzz.com/news/is-this-wh...w-GW3qJwUkFrc0r4UEEPHeJQzSqcMxGyycBidseFl6wtU
I think the new supra will be an awesome car. Nobody can deny that bmw makes awesome engines. The n54 and n55 have proven themselves making well over 900whp. The only downside of the b58 imo is the spray on sleeve technology they use. So sleeving will be needed if something happens to the engine. Im also hoping they offer a 6 speed transmission option at some point. Im not to knowledgeable with the 8 speed trans they are using im the car. Toyota is facing an immense challenge...... the fact is the 2jz is an over engineered monster. Very simple but very very strong. Honda guys were saying the same thing when the k20 came out after the b series. Now the k series is famous. Time will tell i guess
 
I don't mind so much that the engine guys at BMW were/are involved with the new Supra build, but WTF did they have to give us a "Z5" type knock off instead of pushing the legendary Supra body lines even further with a new design given the technology available today? I just don't like the look, it comes across like some kind of Toyota/BMW Frankenstein fawkery..
 
I think it looks good. A lot of people bashed the 2005 Mustang when it came out and look at it now. I think it is a start to something new. Auto makers seem to be bring back a lot of the cars from back in the day. Now if only they would bring back a two seater awd eclipse life would be complete.
 
Not enough curves, all of these cheesy cars nowadays are carbon copies of every other thing out there, look at the suv's that are offered? you cant even tell which brand it is if the logos are removed from them, same for minivans, it seems like this generation of engineers cant think for themselves or outside the box, word to car companies: not every car or suv or minivan you make needs to look like a GTR in the front, the headlights dont need to come 3/4 of the way up the hood, its a van not a supercar.

Its like the way that most guys now look like every other guy, the same chinstrap beard, the same tattoos all over them, the same exact brand of jeans and shirts, the same socks etc, its like people have become so complacent and lazy when it comes to being your own dog, I have never wanted to look or be like anyone else, in fact I have worked to not look or be like anyone else, I let people imitate me instead, to me thats part of being a man, it seems that others seem to look for some magical formula that works and then just beat it to death? listen to the garbage that passes off for music, when is the last time a totally new sound has come out? look at the 60's - 90's how different each band and each song was, there was something for everyone, you cant say that now, the same 3 songs get played in rotation over and over for years literally.

Its sheer laziness, that car is fugly, it looks like a Corvette in the taillights with the droopy corners at the bottom of each light, and it makes me say "c'mon man" lets not start copying American cars now jeez, it used to be American companys would steal from the European companies to a ridiculous point and now what? the exotic companies are stealing from crappy American mass produced junk? I wish they wouldnt bother to even bring it back if they have to do this to it, let the name die with dignity and let the legend live on if you cant beat it or at the very least live up to it, you dont remake a song only to make it worse (even though thats whats being done now with music), are we really completely out of ideas? are we?
 
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Genuinely my biggest gripe is that Toyota didn’t turn to Yamaha for the engine. Easily Yamaha could have cranked out another over-engineered gem capable of dumb power levels on stock internals. That and it’s not available in manual.

It’s not super ugly, but every car to roll off the line doesn’t need leather seats with all electric adjustments and a smart computer in the center of the dash. I want a plain old double din and a bar as a seat slider.


Then again I’m not buying new cars. I’m 22 and in the military, I don’t make crazy money and by driving a $300 civic as a daily I can afford to dump money into other stuff I like.
 
Well I read that the LFA cost toyota millions in engineering and development for a loss this is why they chose to team up with bmw instead of spending millions developing an entirely new engine. Overall I think the car will be a hit. Time will tell though.
 
Not enough curves, all of these cheesy cars nowadays are carbon copies of every other thing out there, look at the suv's that are offered? you cant even tell which brand it is if the logos are removed from them, same for minivans, it seems like this generation of engineers cant think for themselves or outside the box, word to car companies: not every car or suv or minivan you make needs to look like a GTR in the front, the headlights dont need to come 3/4 of the way up the hood, its a van not a supercar.

Its like the way that most guys now look like every other guy, the same chinstrap beard, the same tattoos all over them, the same exact brand of jeans and shirts, the same socks etc, its like people have become so complacent and lazy when it comes to being your own dog, I have never wanted to look or be like anyone else, in fact I have worked to not look or be like anyone else, I let people imitate me instead, to me thats part of being a man, it seems that others seem to look for some magical formula that works and then just beat it to death? listen to the garbage that passes off for music, when is the last time a totally new sound has come out? look at the 60's - 90's how different each band and each song was, there was something for everyone, you cant say that now, the same 3 songs get played in rotation over and over for years literally.

Its sheer laziness, that car is fugly, it looks like a Corvette in the taillights with the droopy corners at the bottom of each light, and it makes me say "c'mon man" lets not start copying American cars now jeez, it used to be American companys would steal from the European companies to a ridiculous point and now what? the exotic companies are stealing from crappy American mass produced junk? I wish they wouldnt bother to even bring it back if they have to do this to it, let the name die with dignity and let the legend live on if you cant beat it or at the very least live up to it, you dont remake a song only to make it worse (even though thats whats being done now with music), are we really completely out of ideas? are we?
Totally agree with this whole post.
 
To me it's a money grab idea.

Looks like a Ferrari/Alfa Romeo, 370z and LFA (front, middle and rear, respectively) all got together to make a bastard test tube baby. I am not a big fan of it being powered by a bimmer engine, to me that totally ruins the fact that it's supposed to be a SUPRA. But overall I think it's pretty lacking in alot of areas.

I think the newer Miata suffers a similar set of issues: they just tried too hard on the looks for my taste.

However, the Miata delivers on how it drives and it's powetrain, and I have no doubt the "Supra" will perform quite well in it class.
The issue will be upgrade paths (someone better be slapping a snarling 2jz in one of these...) as IMHO BMWs don't come to mind when I think easy or cost effective modifications. I know there's a HUGE following for bimmers and the can be upgraded to the Nth degree, but I don't think they're easy or cost effective. Case in point my buddy wants to do a newer M3 drivetrain swap into and older BMW, and while looks/performance-wise it'll be sweet, the work he is gonna have to do (and subsequently, myself) is going to be extensive just to get the engine working correctly, let alone when he want to modify it.

Otherwise, someone else can have the Bimpra.
 
I think the new supra will be an awesome car. Nobody can deny that bmw makes awesome engines. The n54 and n55 have proven themselves making well over 900whp. The only downside of the b58 imo is the spray on sleeve technology they use. So sleeving will be needed if something happens to the engine. Im also hoping they offer a 6 speed transmission option at some point. Im not to knowledgeable with the 8 speed trans they are using im the car. Toyota is facing an immense challenge...... the fact is the 2jz is an over engineered monster. Very simple but very very strong. Honda guys were saying the same thing when the k20 came out after the b series. Now the k series is famous. Time will tell i guess

I wasn't trying to imply that BMW can't make a good engine, just would have liked to see Toyota come up with their own answer/solution to MK5 power plant. I agree though, these should turn out to be good cars very capable. I'm looking forward to seeing them pop up.
 
The new Supra chassis is almost entirely Z4 - the Supra is just a skin on it, essentially a Z4 coupe. You don't see people excited about the Z4, why be excited about the Supra? Sure, the Z4 is a good touring car, but it's not a driver's car, not a tuner car, and with the automatic, not a race car. Marketing gimmick at its finest, but Toyota overestimated what it could get away with.

https://jalopnik.com/what-we-found-when-we-crawled-under-the-2020-toyota-sup-1831800550
 
Yes, that looks much better!! I think many more enthusiasts could get behind a new Supra looking like that.

I don't mind so much that the engine guys at BMW were/are involved with the new Supra build, but WTF did they have to give us a "Z5" type knock off instead of pushing the legendary Supra body lines even further with a new design given the technology available today?
Agreed! Looks too much like the Z4. I don't necessarily think it looks bad, but I am disappointed that it's not more of a ground breaking car like the R35. Or even just a larger framed car like the R35. The Supra has become a compact car. It's fine, but it's not exciting.
 
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I have one gripe, but it’s a huge one. The mk4 Supra was a halo car, this “Supra” isn’t. Every other gripe comes down to this.

Does any halo car you’ve ever heard of have an engine from another manufacturer? Halo cars have a power train that was designed specifically for that car.
 
It IS essentially a Z4. They share the same chassis...and essentially the same motor. The car is just TOO DAMN SMALL in my opinion. Have you ever seen a BMW Z4 in person? LOL I expected it to be a bit more beefier, and better body lines all around. Am I the only one bothered that its only a 2 seater? I would have loved for it to be a 4 seater coupe like the MK4. The power its putting out as well isn't impressive either, its a measly 10-15hp more if im not mistaken? 100 more base hp would have been nicer, to keep up with the change. I know they do it for "affordability"....but come on now...why lowball us like that after almost 2 decades of waiting? :(
 
Not enough curves, all of these cheesy cars nowadays are carbon copies of every other thing out there, look at the suv's that are offered? you cant even tell which brand it is if the logos are removed from them, same for minivans, it seems like this generation of engineers cant think for themselves or outside the box, word to car companies: not every car or suv or minivan you make needs to look like a GTR in the front, the headlights dont need to come 3/4 of the way up the hood, its a van not a supercar.

Its like the way that most guys now look like every other guy, the same chinstrap beard, the same tattoos all over them, the same exact brand of jeans and shirts, the same socks etc, its like people have become so complacent and lazy when it comes to being your own dog, I have never wanted to look or be like anyone else, in fact I have worked to not look or be like anyone else, I let people imitate me instead, to me thats part of being a man, it seems that others seem to look for some magical formula that works and then just beat it to death? listen to the garbage that passes off for music, when is the last time a totally new sound has come out? look at the 60's - 90's how different each band and each song was, there was something for everyone, you cant say that now, the same 3 songs get played in rotation over and over for years literally.

Its sheer laziness, that car is fugly, it looks like a Corvette in the taillights with the droopy corners at the bottom of each light, and it makes me say "c'mon man" lets not start copying American cars now jeez, it used to be American companys would steal from the European companies to a ridiculous point and now what? the exotic companies are stealing from crappy American mass produced junk? I wish they wouldnt bother to even bring it back if they have to do this to it, let the name die with dignity and let the legend live on if you cant beat it or at the very least live up to it, you dont remake a song only to make it worse (even though thats whats being done now with music), are we really completely out of ideas? are we?
I get this sentiment, and I agree with it mostly. I don't know that it looks like an American car though. I think it looks like a Japanese design, albeit, not nearly as good as the older Japanese designs. In my opinion Toyota has been lacking with all of their "sports" coupes since the MK4 though... the LFA, the RC-F, LC 500, etc. At least they're still producing coupes though! And their V8 coupes sound awesome, even if they are all automatics.

I'm surprised they didn't slap a hexagon shaped grill like everything else out there. I feel it's a lot like the FT86 - great opportunity to do something really cool but the execution just wasn't there with the design and the power output. This seems more like an upscale Celica GTS than a Supra, which should be competing with the GT-R. I'm sure many will probably end up loving it, but knowing the heritage of the name and seeing the fun stuff coming out of Detroit these days, I was expecting something.... better. But the reality is, sports coupes are not profitable for any of the manufacturers. Toyota is using this car for branding hype more than anything. Most of the "affordable" sports coupes out there are built from the parts bin or cross brand partnerships. The market demand just isn't there. It's like manual transmissions - everyone says they want one, but very few actually buy them.

With all of that said, again, I am still happy to see that it will be available. Even if it's not something I would buy. I hope it does well, as that might help bring in more options. I'm curious to see how it fares when the 370Z sales are dwindling (granted, it's an old platform) and you have options like the 718 Cayman or the new Mustang GT500, which can be had for a little more coin.
 
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The new Supra chassis is almost entirely Z4 - the Supra is just a skin on it, essentially a Z4 coupe. You don't see people excited about the Z4, why be excited about the Supra? Sure, the Z4 is a good touring car, but it's not a driver's car, not a tuner car, and with the automatic, not a race car. Marketing gimmick at its finest, but Toyota overestimated what it could get away with.

https://jalopnik.com/what-we-found-when-we-crawled-under-the-2020-toyota-sup-1831800550
The chassis is all BMW, just tuned to Toyota's specs. At least the Fiat 124, which everyone feels is a re-badged MX-5, came with it's own unique drivetrain. Oh well. It does have 50/50 weight distribution and some good brakes. Not sure if that will make up for the lack of a manual transmission.
 
Keep in mind that the 370Z is 11 years old and the replacement will be coming very soon. Seeing as the sister platform (Infiniti Q-series) has been using the twin turbo V6 (VR30DETT), which has up to 400HP in the Q50/Q60 RedSport, expect the 370Z successor to be faster than the Supra, cheaper than the Supra, and come with a manual transmission. I hope Toyota takes a lesson.
 
I just hope they're using Toyota sensors for everything... everyone I know with a BMW is always dealing with all the different BMW sensors acting up, causing the dash to light up like a Xmas tree constantly. And you cannot fix that stuff on your own anymore.
 
My take on it is pretty simple. I don't like it. I cannot stand the way the front end looks and the back is meh. Would look better with a spoiler on it. The rendering that was posted looks far better than what Toyota/BMW came up with. Not a fan of the engine choice either. BMW has solid engines that can be fast but are very expensive to repair and upgrade. I know Toyota wasn't going to be using a 2jz but would it have really been that hard to modernize one for a car that has been loved for so many generations. If we wanted a BMW that's what we would buy not a freaking BMW with Toyota badging. I also can't stand the lack of a manual transmission. I know we live in the age of the lazy that doesn't want to learn stick or the "automatics shift faster" crowd but why not at least have the option for the people that want the complete driving experience. Which also happens to be my biggest gripe about the GTR and the new GT500. I feel Toyota really dropped the ball on this. I do not have the money for one anyway but if I did I would have 0 interest in it. What I have read about the new Z Nissan is working is far more superior than this BMW. Not to forget about the rumors of Infiniti having there own version of the GTR with the Q60 S black label. If Infiniti does produce it Toyota will again showed it failed with the rebirth of the supra. Shame shame
 
To add to my 3JZ point. Could you imagine the hype if Toyota developed a new 6er. The engine alone would help sell these things like crazy. Nothing wrong with the B series engines but a 3JZ with iron liners, closed deck and 400hp stock would of made up for the constant teasers and years of development.
 
The lineup that had been scheduled by last year was the announced 3 models with BMW engine plus those 2 models below.
- 2.5L Hybrid Turbo 400ps FR or 4WD with Toyota engine (8 speed auto or 6 speed manual)
- 3.0L i6 Turbo 340ps, with Toyota engine (8 speed auto)

They didn't publish the models with Toyota engine at this time but there is still possibility to do.
 
The auto market nowadays is all about the profit margins and not about keeping a car true to it's own nature.
I personally hate the fact they put a body over a Z4 and called it a "supra". It seems they brought back a legendary name and put it on a car that they didn't spend much time developing, hoping that the name will boost up their sales. Everybody that hears "supra" imagines this amazing 90s legend that was unstoppable, and therefore wants it.
Mitsubishi did the same thing with the eclipse. Bring back a legendary name and slap it on a hybrid crossover! But hey if it keeps them afloat, who cares what we think...
Bmw's, the newer ones, are not easy cars to mod, and you don't see many of them at tracks since they are not easy to work on either. I'm referring to the newer models, not older e30 and e46 chassis. So this new supra we have will be, in my opinion, like a trophy wife. She looks good, you take her out to dinner and the mall but she won't get down and dirty at the track. It'll be a status thing. Is that what the supra should be? Or should it have stayed as the legendary 90s race car we all loved.
Will this new supra be serviced at BMW dealerships?
 
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