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dallu22

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Sep 8, 2008
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Okay I've looked all over the Forums and haven't seen anyone else with this issue, I've asked once and I'm going to ask again. My Starter Just Free Spins. Now here are the details 6 Bolt Swap, Donor car was a 92 FWD car the motor went into is a 95 FWD, All The parts are Brand New Rebuilt the motor top to bottom. Now I have double checked all the parts and they are all for a 92 FWD 6 Bolt Motor but after mating the 6 Bolt Block and Head to the 95 Transmission, all the starter does is Free Spin, I have went thru 3 starters the First two were Remans and the Third a Brand New out of the box one. Now I am completely lost maybe i am over looking something, but it should work right? 6 Bolt FWD Flywheel with a 7 Bolt 95 Tranny......and yes I have double checked my flywheel it is not AWD. Someone, anyone please help:sosad:

::edit:: Also I know the motor Runs.....it went back into the 92 briefly and had no issues whatsoever
 
can either be the wrong starter plate which would mean the holes for the starter wouldent line up and you would have noticed, or a awd FW but you said your sure thats not the problem... the only other thing is the starter gear isnt getting pushed out. power the starter while its off the car to make sure that gear is getting thrown out i think low voltage can cause that to happen
 
Well, the only thing I can come up with is if you are having the same problem across three different starters, then I would have to say that it's obviously not engaging the flywheel and cranking the engine. the only thing I can come up with is even though you verified the flywheel, it still may be an incorrect model or possibly the starter is the incorrect one for your setup even though it does sound correct.

Could it be that the positioning of the starter on the newer tranny puts the starter out of place, not allowing it to contact the flywheel and turn the engine over? I don't know if the starters are any different though or if that positioning is any different.

I'm just trying to think outside the box and give some suggestions.
 
Yes I know thats why im so confused about this, I have the right starter plate on there from the 95, and I pulled the third starter I had out and hooked it up to a line from my battery and the gear engaged and came all the way out. Actually made the same noise its making inside the car just free spinning :sosad: However when i left from trying to fix this today i did bring the battery with me and it was only showing about 10% on the trickle charger.....but that could be from me trying to start it so many times...

AlaskanDsm- yes thats what i was wondering too, but according to all the swap pages and FAQ's the 95 tranny should work, my thought was...are there any transmissions that someone would use say off a 4G63 Galant or anything if their 95 Eclipse transmission went out? That Might work with a 95 motor but not with the 6 bolt? Because I bought the 95 Shell with a Blown motor...
 
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well all the starters are the same 1g, 2g, AWD and FWD im not sure about the auto one they might be different.

so the only thing left is the flywheel how do you know the flywheel u have is from a FWD
 
okay still having problems with this, went today tried a new battery...the voltage was low on the other battery but....no change, checked the numbers on the transmission, they are KF5MM332SPZT.....which means it should be a 95gst tranny from the info i found on here.... Im still at a complete loss the Flywheel is a FWD Flywheel, even pulled the packaging out from storage for it today, it was brand new from advanced auto, ran the part numbers and even went into advanced and double checked what they sold me with their computers...So Correct flywheel, correct Starter Plate, Tranny, and Starter, Even the voltage is good.......and still not making contact with the flywheel hopefully someone will see this that might have an idea whats going on. Im about ready to give up.
 
Ok well, as far as I can see, either the 6-bolt connection to the tranny doesn't work (unlikely), you may be having an electrical problem. Just an out of the box suggestion. If direct battery power is engauging the starter, maybe once installed, you have a shortage of voltage? I dunno. Check this thread out and maybe see if you are having any other issues... I'm out of ideas...

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/newbie-forum/370654-no-power-starter.html

GL!
 
check your starter and make sure its for M/T because automatics are shorter and wont spin the flywheel. If not then you have the wrong flywheel.
 
See thats the problem though, ive Ran Numbers from the Starter Flywheel and tranny, they are all what they are supposed to be, and even went through checking all the power connections yesterday. Im completely lost now.....i keep hearing its the wrong flywheel but after checking the original packaging it confirmed it was in fact correct, and it ran in my 92 GST before the swap.....its like when i added the 95 tranny to the mix it completely threw everything off.
 
Because I bought the flywheel brand new

was this a new or refurbished flywheel? but regardless it still could be wrong.

Afroclipse says that the Auto starters are different but you have tried a couple different starters correct? even your old one that was on the car before all thic corerect?

it seems that the only logical reason is that they sold the the wrong FW.. i have seen parts in the right box and be the wrong part. so what your reciept or what the box says is worthless.

this started problem is clear cut, if none of these other suggestion work its has to be the wrong flywheel

Edit

so you have run this flywheel before?
 
some info i came across might help

once when i was looking for a starter plate at the Devils house (mitsu dealership) and 95 gsx's have different starter plates for the early 95 and the later 95. now im not 100% on this but if i remember correctly the early 95 gsx's used the same starter plate as the gst's

take the vin off your trans and call the dealer ship and have them check

which starter plate did you use... did you use the one that came with your 95?

if so this could be your problem
 
I too can verify that the A/T and M/T starters are different, the throw on the starter is shorter and won't spin the flywheel as previously mentioned. You might also check you have the correct starter plate, its also different between a A/T and M/T, if you can verify these two things are the right starter/plate for your drivetrain its gotta be the flywheel.

:dsm:
 
Thanka guys the info on the starter being for a m/t or a/t is about the only thing I haven't checked, still I'm confused as to how it ran before in my 92 I even have videos of it running

Okay now that im not at work, I checked the low voltage thing yesterday Ran a wire straight to the starter, and hot wired it, the starter worked but did not engage so we pulled the starter to make sure the gear was engaging all the way put juice to it and it worked. Im going to check about the starters later, I still have the 92 and 95 Starters and if i somehow ended up with the wrong flywheel it would make a ton of sense now...but wouldnt explain why the motor ran once before. Oh and yes the Flywheel was New Not a Reman. I really just hope Advanced auto didnt give me the wrong flywheel for me to find out 2 years later....but that would about be par for the course :sosad:
 
im having the same issue right now. quick info on my setup; 6bolt block/2g head, 96 auto tranny with the starter plate that came on the car and starter that came on the car. it all ran before and now i cant get the starter to engage. my only thought is that some how the kiggly plate adapter has something to do with it, besides that i cant see any reason why im having this problem. dulla22 are you using the kiggly kit?
 
I had the exact same problem you can hook the starter up! it will turn over maybe even grind, but when I switched the engines the dust cover that is on them from 1g to 2g the holes are in diffrent places. so I had to bend that dust cover down so that the starter motor would fit in the whole the entire way. what was happining was that yes it bolted up, and yes it would free spin and grind. But but it was bolted in at an angle never could figure it out till I pulled the engine due to frustration and saw it was in crooked due to the dust cover that the starter motor goes through so either take it off bend it or cut a new hole! hope it helps
 
im having the same issue right now. quick info on my setup; 6bolt block/2g head, 96 auto tranny with the starter plate that came on the car and starter that came on the car. it all ran before and now i cant get the starter to engage. my only thought is that some how the kiggly plate adapter has something to do with it, besides that i cant see any reason why im having this problem. dulla22 are you using the kiggly kit?
Having the same issue right now... did you resolve ?
 
Bump to see if anyone has solved this. I have read about 5 threads that all die with no solution. 6bolt swap in a 98 gst, awd converted. Donor was a 95 gsx. Used 95 starter plate, tranny, and starter with the kiggly kit.
Yes the shims/washers solved our problem I can give you the part number we used for the starter if you like
 
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