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Choosing my first DSM in Europe

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Yeah I'm feeling it. Just wrote the guy with the GS-T, hopefully I'm not too late. There's one last thing. I don't know what's the deal with Germany and Netherlands but it seems to me they get a free pass whe it comes to turn signal color. The GS-T is not the first I've seen with red turns driving around in Europe but ambers/whites are mandated by law where I live. Don't know if it's some car of historical interest exception thing or not. Is it possible to just straight up swich the american tails for the european? I think I've read somewhere that they're wired differently and that can be a problem.
Might even get some of theese. They look ricey as hell but giving them a little tint and completely tinting out the middle might look decent enough all things considered.
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That still leaves me with the question of US/Euro taillight interchangeability. However since all GSX/GS-Ts are US imports, it's an issue I'll have to tackle no matter what. Miles better to wire some turn signals than to turbocharge a GS I guess. The GS-T guy hasn't responded yet. I'm going to sleep and maybe there'll be a nice surprise in my inbox in the morning. Or an unpleasant one. Thanks tons and have a good whatever it is where you are right now.
 
That still leaves me with the question of US/Euro taillight interchangeability. However since all GSX/GS-Ts are US imports, it's an issue I'll have to tackle no matter what. Miles better to wire some turn signals than to turbocharge a GS I guess. The GS-T guy hasn't responded yet. I'm going to sleep and maybe there'll be a nice surprise in my inbox in the morning. Or an unpleasant one. Thanks tons and have a good whatever it is where you are right now.

So you are asking about changing the GST to be euro legal?

I'm not sure the police would notice something so minor.

Those aftermarket lights don't have an Amber/yellow piece either so I don't see the difference.

There are guides on how to wire the euro spec yellow corner lights, but I would just modify something else to be lazy. Like adding an indicator somewhere else, adding a yellow led bulb into the reverse light socket or in the back window or something. Add a yellow led strip along the bottom of the tail light assembly depending on your local laws


Be patient, you have nothing but time to find the right car, sometimes you will miss one but you will find one
 
Well, the guy still hasn't replied so I guess the GST is gone. Looks like when a cheap-ish import pops it's head out it gets smacked away in a few hours. I'll wait on for some time but I'm seriously staring to consider importing form the US. Just the other day I found a riced out GST for 2,500 bucks. The import agency kinda quadruples the price with all the expenses and cuts for everyone in the process so that's why the imports in europe cost what they cost.

On the topic of turn signals, the cleanest way I can think of is turning the foglights in the bumper into turns if the laws in my country deem it acceptable.
 
Hey guys!
I See you Talk about my white gs-t.
I‘m the owner of the gs-t from Berlin Germany.
I've been reading this page for ten years, and now I see my car!
If you have questions, you'll always have to get out.
 
Holy hell mate. Can you het a photo of your car so we know you're not trolling? If it's really you and the car is not gone yet, let's talk bussnies.
Don't know what you mean by get out. Wrote you two e-mails already with no response.
 
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Two Mails?
I didn't get one of you! Over Autoscout24?
 
Yep, as far as I could see there is no other way to reach you set up. Now there's the good stuff we're talking about. I take it she's still available? Do I pirvate message you or do we let others witness this miracle? :D
If you read the thread you know there's one thing that leaves me wondering: How did you solve the turn signal (or blinker as I presume we both prefer to call them) problem?
 
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Find your clean 2G, as there really are not too many left. Since I was lucky to find my stock '99 GST over 4 years ago I haven't found another stock DSM since.

It really is a shame the DSMs were the victims of their intended demographic and an onslaught of second hand owners modifying them with no intention of long term care.
 
Honzi, greetings from Bulgaria. I'd strongly suggest you wait a bit more and continue reading more about the cars. Get in touch with me over PM if you wish, I'd be happy to tell you everything I know about these cars and help you make a good purchase.

I started with the EUDM '96 Eclipse GS and moved on to the GSX equivalent (Talon TSi), found in buttfuck nowhere in Romania.

My first suggestion would be to STAY AWAY from Autoscout24 (no offence to the person from Berlin). Germans especially want ridiculous prices for these cars and I've seen some stay on there for 5 years at the same price. For our European non-turbo DSMs (2nd gen), the *realistic* price based off US standards is 1800-2000 euros for a GOOD example, and maybe up to 2500-2700 euros for the facelift. Anything over that for non-turbo is a massive rip-off. Hell, my first Eclipse is currently being sold from the guy I sold it to so if you wanna drive over here I can give you all the history and details on the car. Anyway...

I found the Talon for 3k Euros but it needed A LOT of work and restoration. So it's not impossible to find a 4x4 turbo over here, you just need to check out the country specific car websites. I was searching literally in every site I could over the years in Poland, Czech, Romania, Hungary etc...

For the prices that some people want on Autoscout, you can import a clean DSM from the States and drive it off the ship like it's nobody's business. 10k+ euros is ridiculous no matter how good it looks.

There's also a GS-T converted 2G Eclipse which is also on LPG, about 330 hp being sold over here for under 5k euros. I can give you some ad listings if you're curious, but keep in mind most conversions are projects and not everyone has done them properly; things can always turn out problematic and bad.

Personally I can suggest two things: Find a cheap-ish 2G non turbo, learn on it (the 4G63 is exactly the same, only difference is 10:1 comp pistons which are just as strong actually), and that's basically it. Or do a bit more research and look for the right advert to pop on the sites.

AWD is amazing, and if you can get it with an automatic transmission then you'd be set.

PM me with any questions you may have, I'd love to help you out!
 
Hella thanks Kryndon.

The choice has been made. I want a GS-T for a number of reasons:
1. I want a turbo version and a conversion is miles away from my league at the moment, so GS is out of the picture.
2. I plan to put the car in a garage the day snow hits czech roads until the day it melts and then some. The way I see it the only reason I might want a 4x4 is for launching reasons and that is harder on the car than what I'm willing to put it through.
3. I like driving lightweight and lively cars (not to mention the longer-geared trans compared to GSX) and the FWD is definitely closer to that. Also as i said, I aim for a fun DD/weekend for cruising and touring and that also favors GS-T. After thinking about it, it's not that im settling for a FWD, i'd prefer it over AWD.

What Locke is offering is just about right. Found an import price calculator and importing a gst with more mileage on the clock and whatnot done to it is just a tad more expensive.
Trusting his word, he was using the car the same way I intend to use it aswell. I don't think I'd be able to put a dying car on the street just yet and I certainly don't want someone elses project on my hands.

If there was a semi-stock 97+ GS-T for a better price in Bulgaria I'd definitely be happy to see it.
Much love from Czechia. Catch you later.
 
Rust at the trunk under the rearwindow. Trunk musst be changed.
Over priced? Not in Germany/ Europe. In Germany are 100-200! 2g gst and gsx registered.
 
Here are some more detailed pictures of the white GS-T from Berlin. The car is far from pristine but probbably the best you can get in Europe unless you wanna spill 10k for a rust-free GS. Waddya guys think?
Locke did point out the driver's seat and the hole rusted into the hatch under the rear window. Both can be ingored for quite some time or replaced. What matters to me is the areas where rust could potentialy kill the whole car for good.
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Been stumbling over a cheap-ish GS and never really paind any attention to it. From the photos it looks to me that it's in a very good shape rust-wise. Engine bay looks clean. The car has some rice to it, the mileage is far from okay and probbably was "raced" at some point in its lifetime but for the price looks very good compared to some. I wrote the guy for some more detailed photos, hopefully he'll deliver.
https://www.autoscout24.com/offers/...a7ac70-402e-8810-e053-e350040a6ecb?cldtidx=14

Description translated:
Current mileage: 183000km
-Timing belt at 140000km
-Motor oil change at 180000km
-Clutch at 140000km
-Germ oil change at 180000km

Furthermore, strut braces are installed, Stahlflex brake lines, alloy wheels 215/45 / R17 (new strap: toyo tyers), a small control unit optimization, a stainless steel sport exhaust systems Group A cat from SRS Racing (papers of course available) and a 200 cell cat magnaflow installed.

The interior design is like the pictures expanded, but can be reinstalled on request.

The Bride sportseats and the Takata 4 point straps are unfortunately not on sale !!!

TÜV until 09/2019 !!!

If you have any questions please contact us.
 
The red car is crap. You can barely find these cars in junkyards here, probably impossible near you. It's missing all of it's interior pieces and the front bumper has been replaced, it's non original and missing the diamond logo and trim pieces. I know he says he has it, but there are going to be missing pieces.

The red one most likely is covered in rust, even the interior pieces are a shiny red, They should be a dull red. It makes me think they pulled the interior to find rust and rot and painted over it. I think it would show worse in person, the pictures appear to be "touched up" with an image filter. So what, at best were hoping that this was a garaged race car that wasn't used heavily on the streets? I'm not huge about that, I feel like 180k miles and a race car background mean it's had more than a few kisses of the wall. And the motor would be questionable after all that severe abuse

I'd go with the white one, the owner is even a member here. It has had additional under coating added and the trunk looks fine.

These cars are hard to find in the states in good condition, I think if this is your dream car to buy, that 5 years from now you would rather have paid a little more for a car worthy of your attention and dedication. The times do come around, where you stand back from a cheap project and really think to yourself is it worth another thousand in parts and labor or should I just scrap this car for another. Having gone through both situations I can tell you neither car is going to be perfect, however with the car you want you will be committed. So, decide, which car could you deal with needing another thousand euros in engine work?
 
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The white GS-T is gone. But for real, was that what passes for good condition with these cars? My old man who's a mechanic and spent the last 10 years keeping our late Lancer on the road moaned like a badly shot buck when I showed him the pictures.
Anyhow the search continues. The red car looks almost too good, agreed. But the dude changed his goddamn brake lines for stainless it would seem. That's nothing to be taken lightly.
 
Hope you guys had a kickass weekend. I know this thing is dragging on more than most people are comfortable with. For that I'm sorry. Not being able to just drive to the car and having to rely on photos and questions is not making this easy.
Got a new candidate if anyone is still interested. This car might be the best condition 2g in all of europe with it having only 78k km (48k miles) and having been driven around southern Italy with no snow and salt to eat at it. To start with, there is a major gap between the front bumper and left headlight. The guy says it's never been crashed, just that a Fiat Panda bumped into him in a parking lot. Other than that the car looks clean as hell and the interior is in pretty decent condition. The engine bay looks clean, the strut towers are pristine and the bottom of the car is the best that I have seen so far. (I think)
If anyone can find some beef with it I'd be grateful as me personally I don't see any faults with the car and will be putting it on top of my list, given that the white GS-T is most likely gone.
I'm in close contact with the guy so any question can be answered within minutes if he's online.
Should the car pass your judgement, sooner than later me and my mate are most likely having ourselves a trip to Napoli and driving the car back.


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Sellers description translated from italian with google translate:
I sell beautiful Mitsubishi Eclipse GS 2.0 145hp aspirated. Km 78.000 demonstrable with Mitsubishi Center Napoli invoices. Literally equal to the new, fully functional throughout. It includes the following modifications: 18-alloy wheels with Vredestein tires mounted 3 weeks ago (book-approved rims), K & n suction, Magnaflow catalyst. Already registered with CRS, currently insurable as a vehicle of historical interest at about 300 euros per year. Distribution belts and new services, oil change carried out in November, refrigerant liquid purge. No work to do, good consumption despite being a 2.0 of twenty years ago. It is not the usual disintegrated Jdm car of miles, this really is in excellent condition. Complete with mitsubishi original triple keys, double remote control of the original cobra alarm, block shaft and use and maintenance books with service book. Seeing is believing. Price slightly negotiable, no time wasters, no people who want to live life a quarter mile at a time. Welcome first contact via Whatsapp or in the week after 16.30 (gotta be honest the quarter mile at a time got me good :D )
More info at https://www.autoscout24.com/offers/...fcb66d-f82a-9250-e053-e250040a487f?cldtidx=17
 

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The white GS-T is gone. But for real, was that what passes for good condition with these cars? My old man who's a mechanic and spent the last 10 years keeping our late Lancer on the road moaned like a badly shot buck when I showed him the pictures.
Anyhow the search continues. The red car looks almost too good, agreed. But the dude changed his goddamn brake lines for stainless it would seem. That's nothing to be taken lightly.

These cars are over 20 years old. Do whatever you want. The low mileage cars are still on original engine parts and original clutches. Have fun with those if your merchanic can barely fix a lancer

You insult me by rejecting my suggestions. You're clearly not ready to own one of these cars since you have no idea what to look for with them.

I'm sure you old man who drives a lancer for 12 years is way more knowledgeable than some one who's been a contributing member of the site for over 14 years for this forum

It was an honest car, he went above and beyond to show most things any other sellers would hide from you. With the gs You could be looking at a wrecked car that's been repainted and you and your old man go nut wild because it has an owners manual. The red gs could be two cars welded in half at the middle for all you know which is why it has low miles, it's also been listed for over 4 months.

Get real. These cars are 20 years old. Maybe you should just buy a new lancer if you want a new car.

Get your man Pants cleaned and get your elbows dirty. If you're not going to work on your own car I don't want you to run one down

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These turbo cars don't grow on trees
 
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Whoah. That was some brutal honesty Texan style to go with my morning coffee. Thanks.
The Lancer was a 93' 1.6 bought in Austria after being in a minor crash. My family put 200k kms over the 23 years we have owned her. Loved the car like family, we all did. Learned to drive in it 2 years before I was of age to get my licence. Taught me to love 90's Mitsus for how fun they were to drive. It never had engine related problems apart from the fuel pump going. What it did have was frame that rotted like crazy. The last 5 years the car was basically kept on life support. When the trans finally went it was decided that it was time. Towed her there myself. Knowing this I had my Colt coated right after I got it.
If it seems like my father and I are picky about frame/sub condition it's because we are and the last paragraph is why. We fix engines for a living, frames aren't our domain. I'd rather spend a year more looking for a healthy car and deal with just the engine than the rest of it's lifespan under it because it won't pass the state inspection. I know these things are inevitable but minimizing them doesn't sound like half a bad idea.
 
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