That's the "fact" some trolls feel the need to point out as the DSM community celebrates... the fact that it's so heavily modified that it is no longer a DSM, it just looks like one in shape. I guess I need to learn more about where the line is drawn that dictates when a community can no longer celebrate a car as its own. What modifications automatically disqualify a car as being a genuine make/model?

I get it, everything's been upgraded and modified in the Red Demon, but does that mean the DSM/Mitsubishi community should not be able celebrating the car as its own? Seems like a pointless debate that only the trolls from other communities feel the need to indulge in.

@Boostin Performance - did you know you don't actually race a DSM anymore?

Claim it as our own!!!

He posted some pictures a while ago of all the factory mounting points for the suspension and subframe after being accused of it being a 3/4 car. Plus he is still on IRS!!!

It's a DSM drivetrain in a DSM body. I don't see why people are saying it is not a DSM anymore, .

As the main chassis is still the same it makes it a DSM still surely. Heck half of race cars are spaceframed and still call it the original name so what makes this different? I bet they just jelous its still a 4cyl turbo

There is a lot more mitsubishi left in that car than most other 7.0 cars have left of the OE.

It's a DSM, let them be jealous.

I can't say I've seen people trolling that it's not a DSM anymore. Still has the majority of its body still in tact, still runs a 4g63, still runs same drivetrain, still breaking records, still breaking necks, still underrated. Need I go on?

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I can't say I've seen people trolling that it's not a DSM anymore. Still has the majority of its body still in tact, still runs a 4g63, still runs same drivetrain, still breaking records, still breaking necks, still underrated. Need I go on?

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The guy who was making that claim on FB deleted his comment and stated that he has

no desire to be part of any group that is populated by snowflake children who are triggered by the mere hint of criticism.
There’s a thousand or more DSM sites on Facebook and online that are plenty helpful, and welcoming to all opinions and view points.

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I try to stay out of all the political BS people post these days, but isn't that reaction slightly ironic?

His point was that "over 50% of structural and mechanical components are changed from parts available from the factory, it’s no longer the same car... not even the same platform". Anyone know where I can find the stone where that fact is carved in? Or is that just an opinion? I'm not saying the logic doesn't have merit, but why does pointing out that the basis for the comment is not fact considered unwelcoming? Why is it you can't have a good debate about something anymore without name calling?

still a 2.0l 4g63 in a 2g I don't see how it's anything but dsm. Let them hate all day! Must be subaru groupies

Makes me proud to still own a DSM to this day.

Good job Boostin Performance, very well done!

That dude on FB sounds like he's the one that's triggered, just super jelly probably.

Ah I love it. I love the guys that instantly went to the keyboard questioning the slip because it didn't have a 1/8 time, and the 1000' was off. Didn't bother to look and see the 330 time was a tenth quicker than the previous 7.33 pass, and then he got to run it all the way out.

I just thought there was so much irony in how the exchange concluded. It's too bad you can't debate anything anymore without people stomping out calling everyone names. No need to leave a forum or a group simply because some people there don't agree with your opinion and challenge something you say. Stick around and have a good, civil discussion. Challenge the opinions of others. Challenge your own opinions. It's healthy. It's necessary. That's how we grow as a community.

Still a dsm. And a hell of a fast one too. Keeps me and my project going fwd. he set some records. People get pissed off and cry babies because they dont want to see the future. The future in which a 4 cyl is above most v8s. Still a dsm i repeat mounting points and outter shell makes it a dsm.

It's funny that he calls the dsm community a bunch of snow flakes then deletes himself off when people turn against him. I'd love to see a car that runs more oem parts than the red demon, that's more it's own make run those times. It won't happen, doesn't matter what brand the car is your still going to need to change or modify damn near everything . His logic is flawed and he should move from under the powerlines he lives under.

Well if this is the case then the same could be said about the recent Honda AWD conversion setup produced by CLM and others.

Its a completely modified chassis with "Non Factory" rear end mounting points, and suspension. Yes it uses a combo of OEM Honda, and aftermarket Honda, but that is just what the 7 second field calls for..

Honda guys were having a field day with this on FB after MIR. The fact is they needed to upgrade from a B-series to a K-series and awd to make the car competitive against the DSM and Evo's... and that one subi that ran 7's.

So what if Boostin is on a modified rear and chassis. Still runs the same body, the same style 4G63 Engine (Billet block), Same style Tcase, etc. The modification are a result of the end goal, Same as CLM.

Id would like to also point out that the people who are talking the most don't even own or now how to build a 8-10 second car that can go rounds.

IT IS NO LONGER A DSM. ITS NOW A RED ROCKETSHIP

Original engine orientation - Check
Original Drivetrain layout - Check
4g63 spec billet block - check
OE Transmission dimension and casing - Check
Factory framerails and firewall - Check
Double wishbone and IRS - Check

I could go on, the chassis work that was performed over the last year was absolutely necessary for SAFETY, you dont go that fast without building a Cocoon to save your ass if something goes south. You rarely, if ever, see cars going this fast with that much original sheetmetal left intact. Whoever this dude is that is saying it doesnt qualify as a DSM anymore needs to get a fresh change of underwear and maybe he would lighten up.

If you put a 4G63T into a mustang, is that pony car now a DSM? I rest my case, enough said..

The parts that make a dsm unique are still present. Awd, transverse engine, 2.0l dohc, IRS, stupid right angle drive tcase, cable shifted trans. Hell it's not even tubbed or anything.

It’s still a DSM , more of a dsm then brent rau’s. If it’s got stock frame rails and stock style body pannels and unibody I dont care whats done to it it’s still. A DSM.

Congrats @BoostinPerformance keep it up!

Same guys crying are the ones that say steel roof and quarters make street cars. The car is amazing and the whole crew gets pumped up when its on a pass.

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I just thought there was so much irony in how the exchange concluded. It's too bad you can't debate anything anymore without people stomping out calling everyone names. No need to leave a forum or a group simply because some people there don't agree with your opinion and challenge something you say. Stick around and have a good, civil discussion. Challenge the opinions of others. Challenge your own opinions. It's healthy. It's necessary. That's how we grow as a community.

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I get what you're saying Chris, but that's pretty much the reality we live in now. I can't even try to give a newbie on FB some guidance without some random trying to call me out on stuff. The same randoms that bash the newbie for basically being a newbie. I swear it's like a contest of I'm right you're wrong shut up and get out of here without any supporting logic.

Its more of a DSM than brent rau's car was when he went 6.90..

Its still got a transverse mounted 4g with a OE style trans IRS, and a mitsu rear end. Sure its been swapped over to a stronger rear end. But shit, its not a funny car with a longitudinal mounted 4g and a 2 speed slushbox and its pushing towards 6s now...

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I just thought there was so much irony in how the exchange concluded. It's too bad you can't debate anything anymore without people stomping out calling everyone names. No need to leave a forum or a group simply because some people there don't agree with your opinion and challenge something you say. Stick around and have a good, civil discussion. Challenge the opinions of others. Challenge your own opinions. It's healthy. It's necessary. That's how we grow as a community.

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Very good point, bravo. And not to mention you can use this logic in Every part of your life. My favorite is at work, I have a remarkable connection with my employees because we stop and talk things through. So much can be accomplished through a simple conversation.

josh408 said:

I get what you're saying Chris, but that's pretty much the reality we live in now. I can't even try to give a newbie on FB some guidance without some random trying to call me out on stuff. The same randoms that bash the newbie for basically being a newbie. I swear it's like a contest of I'm right you're wrong shut up and get out of here without any supporting logic.

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I've been on other sites myself and experienced the same lashing. This site is by far my favorite and my first stop. Anymore I only use the other sites for double checking research or opinions, rarely do I post on them any more. The FB ones are the worst.

Long story short, thanks for being an awesome community of DSM lovers. And long live Boosted's Red Demon. I don't care if it's technically a DSM or not, it's a great car that's doing the things I love to watch. If you'v never been to an event with epic cars such as the Demon, I urge you to go once. It's inspiring.

I agree with you guys, he uses a 4g63t block with a 4g63 head, he uses the STOCK rear subframe, uses the oem transmission case, a modified x case and rear, in a 95 eagle talon tsi chassis, I believe that all makes it a DSM, it doesnt change because he used 50grand worth of forged and fabed parts to make it the best at what he wanted it to do.
so I take it from that guys post, the moment anyone changes the air box for a ebay intake their DSM isn't a DSM any more