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For that matter alot of women that drive crossovers have full beards!
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Mitsubishi doesn't have access to numerous well-established platforms to tweak for a performance variant like Ford does. If Ford can't do it, I have no doubt that Mitsubishi will never top the 4G63-powered lineup of the 90s and early 2000s.
In addition to all of that, look at the current Japanese automotive landscape. Toyota is trying with the Supra, but it sounds like it is not going in the right direction. Mazda had to partner with the floundering FCA just to get the new Miata to market and despite all of their promises, they have no Speed cars in the pipeline right now. The Brits are building a hot hatch with a Honda badge because Mother Honda wouldn't ever do it on its own. Subaru can't seem to get a decent engine into its flagship performance sedan even though the writing was on the wall more than a decade ago. Nissan hasn't touched either of its performance cars in a decade. The manual transmission has been dead in mainland Japan for years.
I hope Mitsu surprises us one day. Crossovers are for women and guys that live in metropolitan areas and have full beards.
yah I'm sorry to hear your disappointment in your new rs. the new rides take the driving out of the entire picture by doing it all for you. us dsm'ers take even our abs out it's all about feeling and controlling each and every aspect of our rides. any noob can now go buy their 350hp car push a button for what type of driving and boom launch without a problem. that would just pissed me offI've given up on hoping that someone comes out with something that I want. When I graduated college I was ready to support a manufacturer who makes fun cars. I went out and preordered a Focus RS. AWD, a hatchback, turbocharged, manual, too heavy for its own good. It sounded like a good successor to the Eclipses that I grew up with. After 11 months of being sh** on by Ford corporate and one particularly unethical Ford dealer, I finally got my RS. And it's fun, I guess, but it's no DSM. It feels closer to my sister's 80s Volvo than it does the DSMs that I had - large, heavy, uncertain, and slow. They took a Focus ST and made it faster, but in the process it lost everything that made it fun. I'd take my college room mate's ST over my RS any day of the week, and with the rather extreme price difference, I don't understand the hype around the RS. Mine is up for sale. I bought a 98 GSX to replace it. After a three year hiatus, I'm back in the DSM world and hopefully I won't be leaving again.
Although my 98 GSX threw a timing belt one week after I got it and has been parked ever since. Old habits die hard, I guess.
But anyway, I tried the whole "modern version of a DSM" thing. From a company whose performance cars garner tons of international praise, I expected so much more. I have had too many great cars in my life to consider the RS exciting, and if this is the closest that we get to a DSM of the 21st century, I am perfectly happy going back to the 90s, unreliability and all. The RS was my first 21st century car and will hopefully be my last, certainly in the short term. Mitsubishi has nowhere near the resources that Ford does. Mitsubishi has no enthusiast leaders in the company, unlike Ford who has many. Mitsubishi doesn't have access to numerous well-established platforms to tweak for a performance variant like Ford does. If Ford can't do it, I have no doubt that Mitsubishi will never top the 4G63-powered lineup of the 90s and early 2000s.
In addition to all of that, look at the current Japanese automotive landscape. Toyota is trying with the Supra, but it sounds like it is not going in the right direction. Mazda had to partner with the floundering FCA just to get the new Miata to market and despite all of their promises, they have no Speed cars in the pipeline right now. The Brits are building a hot hatch with a Honda badge because Mother Honda wouldn't ever do it on its own. Subaru can't seem to get a decent engine into its flagship performance sedan even though the writing was on the wall more than a decade ago. Nissan hasn't touched either of its performance cars in a decade. The manual transmission has been dead in mainland Japan for years.
Wake me when someone is fired, hired or dies really high up in Mitsubishi Automotive
You gotta pay the bills, man, and sports cars don't do that, but I hear you. Hopefully, once they're back on their feet, we'll get something more interesting. As i posted up-thread, I'm holding out hope that we'll get the Eclipse back as a coupe, and since Mitsubishi has no other halo cars cannibalize sales from, we'll finally get a good drive-train again.That is really interesting actually I didnt know that stuff. But MHI is now back in control and has been for a while and it has been their decision to take the company in the direction it is headed now. They decided to drop the Evo and it will continue to be their choice to cater to the large market of people that want functional grocery getters and not passionate care enthusiasts.
Technologically, the DSM's combination of short hood and long rear quarters, plus the 4G63/4B11 unit, makes a mid-engine, rear drive 2-seat sports version logical in an era when Caymans run about 80% more than such a new DSM would. Technologically.
Aero the hood, give the transmission designers some latitude in a more flexible engine room, redo the suspension, and the DSM returns as a modern day Pantera without having to invent much of anything at all. It'd be unique among pricey European imports and Detroit retreads and this rendering looks better than many of them too.
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Here's another idea with no hope of actualization: Use the AWD platform to base an active electric drivetrain on. Of course, anybody can build an electric, but as juice for a brand revival, a performance electric with all the usual advantages of an active AWD system also makes sense - active torque vectoring, regenerative braking, and so on. I'm surprised nobody's converted either AWD generation into one so far...