Do the red! Hit me up I'm an fp dealer!

I have a red and I like it but if I could do it over I would have gone t3 with a hx40. Spool up should be similar with more room to grow. Yea its more money for the manifold but the turbo is around the same price as fp red.

guseclipse said:

I have a red and I like it but if I could do it over I would have gone t3 with a hx40. Spool up should be similar with more room to grow. Yea its more money for the manifold but the turbo is around the same price as fp red.

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Hx40 on a .70 AR t3 spools about 38psi at 5700ish.... I think the red spools quite a bit quicker. The bolt on housing hx40 in the .55 does 30psi at 4800 on a 2.0 and is not very pump gas friendly.

Yes hx40 flows more. But you can't really compare it to a red in terms of spool

Archer Fabrications said:

Hx40 on a .70 AR t3 spools about 38psi at 5700ish.... I think the red spools quite a bit quicker.

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Holy hell man- what manifold was that on? Dave's 6-blade on the ERL manifold was a solid 1000rpms sooner than that; in fact his 66mm HX40 with the long-tube header and .82 Garrett housing was full-song before 5700.

Archer Fabrications said:

Hx40 on a .70 AR t3 spools about 38psi at 5700ish.... I think the red spools quite a bit quicker. The bolt on housing hx40 in the .55 does 30psi at 4800 on a 2.0 and is not very pump gas friendly.

Yes hx40 flows more. But you can't really compare it to a red in terms of spool

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I never ran a t3 hx40 from what I heard it should be closer to 5000 rpm full spool. My red is full spool by 4200 rpm so yea it does spool up much quicker but I believe the t3 hx40 is the best overall choice between the red and black.

AndrewG said:

An FP red is rated to flow at 61lbs and the black is rated at 71lbs so it's not a small difference between the two. The 68HTA is rated at 51lbs so that kinda gives you an idea of the jump from red and black.

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All of the compressor ratings posted are what that specific wheel can do on a proper setup when conditions are perfect. So a $900 DSM Black has the same compressor wheel as a $2100 Xona 71•64 and both are rated at 71 lb/min because of this despite the Black having a far more-restrictive turbine wheel and housing which limits compressor potential. If the Black could truly do everything the high-end ball bearing Xona/HTA/HTZ/GT8679LSMFD or whatever they rename the entire lineup to every 3 years can then where's the incentive to spend the money on the high-end units?

FP was indeed a true pioneer in our platform as well as many others by combining stock-fitment MHI products with Garrett technology and performance, but as OEM part stock has been depleted they've had to source aftermarket parts just like Blouch, PTE, and basically any other performance turbocharger builder in today's market. Any turbo in their lineup today is 100% aftermarket and much like other brands they're definitely not immune to component failure.

JusMX141 said:

Holy hell man- what manifold was that on? Dave's 6-blade on the ERL manifold was a solid 1000rpms sooner than that; in fact his 66mm HX40 with the long-tube header and .82 Garrett housing was full-song before 5700.

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At the time was an STM T3 standard placement manifold may have been more like 5500 was a long time ago since being in that setup I'll look back at data logs.

JusMX141 said:

51lb/min @ 27-28psi with full boost at 4800 from the Black isn't too impressive to me...I'd go for the Red. If your power goal demands more than the Red can deliver, it's time to abandon the DSM-flanged turbos and go T3.

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@JusMX141 What t3 set up you'd suggest for a 5 speed, street driven set up w/ built head, stock block 6 bolt, E85 & big fuel system? Currently I'm running the FP Green (ported & polished) at 25 psi on pump. I was looking at stepping up to the FP Red with high 500's/low 600's as my goal, but I'm liking what I'm reading about the hx40. Just not liking the price

HY35 is cheap and very effective...more-potent than the Green and more-affordable than the Red with better performance on pump gas.

Upgrade to a t3 setup, buy a manifold from archer and be done with it....I went 16g, fp68hta, green then black to 6266. Wish i went 6266 from the getgo

+1. There's nothing like the power increase felt from basically doubling the turbine a/r. No matter how large of a DSM-flanged turbo you choose you're always fighting that restriction.

At the end of the day you need to ask yourself....."how far am I really gunna take this" Most guys throw a turbo on and sell the car 6 months later or it sits forever in pieces. If your serious about the car, upgrade now and save yourself a ton on money. Before anyone gets angry......Yes the fp 8cm style turbo has its place. You cannot argue however that a t3/t4 style turbo will outperform them in every aspect. Even if you are looking for a street turbo....t3 is the way to go... imo atleast. Not to mention you have an entire lineup of sizes at your disposal when upgrading to t3...

amsrn13 said:

At the end of the day you need to ask yourself....."how far am I really gunna take this" Most guys throw a turbo on and sell the car 6 months later or it sits forever in pieces. If your serious about the car, upgrade now and save yourself a ton on money. Before anyone gets angry......Yes the fp 8cm style turbo has its place. You cannot argue however that a t3/t4 style turbo will outperform them in every aspect. Even if you are looking for a street turbo....t3 is the way to go... imo atleast. Not to mention you have an entire lineup of sizes at your disposal when upgrading to t3...

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While this is largely true, especially about people selling their cars out of frustration or letting them sit, I think there is something to gain by building up the car along the way. Because you've used all those different turbos and cams you have learned a lot about the hobby. Sure, someone can buy a shell, buy all the most expensive and overkill parts on the first try and be done forever. But how much did they learn about turbos and different setups? How much fun did they have researching new parts and reaching the limitations of their current setup? Probably not much. For example, most likely my next mod is an hta68. Well, it's not exactly the last turbo I'll ever want but it's going to be a nice step up from my 18g and I wont have to buy new injectors or get a new exhaust and intake pipe. Anyways, carry on gents

i think it all depends on how much power you wan't to make . for me i would like to go with a turbo set up that will fit properly , spool at a decent rpm and make 450 to 500 hp and i think that the xr 61 56 turbo from fp is a perfect all around turbo set up . now if you want big power and not worried about breaking stuff then go big with a t3 set up .

Lou98GSX said:

i think it all depends on how much power you wan't to make . for me i would like to go with a turbo set up that will fit properly , spool at a decent rpm and make 450 to 500 hp and i think that the xr 61 56 turbo from fp is a perfect all around turbo set up . now if you want big power and not worried about breaking stuff then go big with a t3 set up .

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The beauty of a t3 style turbo is you have 100s of options....probably more actually to work with. The fp turbo has def proven itself but for guys wanting to run a ballbearing setup fp only offers that one turbo currently and its over 2k. I def agree with you vegas, when I buy stainless 90s and argon for example I look at it like im paying for school. You can only get better when your putting in work. You learn from your failures, this is when it becomes second nature.... you know what NOT to do. I went from being terrified of building my lower end to making over 600hp in less than a year.....sometimes you gotta say f*** it and just dive head first. The great thing about these forums are they reduce the soreness from getting bent over by adding some lube.....The car is still f***ing you, it just doesnt hurt as bad....