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New member of the single digit club - 5 speeds for lyphe - 9 sec HE351

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bastarddsm

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Not sure if many have seen, tried to take my talon out on drag week. I've had a hell of a summer trying to get the thing to make power. Ended up building a new engine, and swapping back to a stock computer and he351 just days before the shootout. I also put in a liberty face-plated gear set. At the shootout I ran some good mph, but couldn't quite get the ET down. Ended up running a 10.87@138 in Ohio. My turbo was smoking so I sent the rotating assembly off to jusmx131 to get it balanced, and put it all back together with a fresh set of bearings and seals, just in time for drag week. I've also been struggling with traction for some time, I'm not sure what cured it, but the car has been tearing up the 60' pretty solid recently. Probably the good track prep on drag week.

Anyway my car is only good for 10.0@135 according to NHRA, so I was playing the breaking game to stay under 135mph. First pass at Cordova 11.0@111, probably good enough got the quick32 in the street machine eliminator class I was running. So I swap on the street tires, and drive an extra 200mi to pick my little bro up from college so he can play hooky and come to gateway with me. Along the route we stop about 3 time to help downed competitors. I had a small trailer with a truck toolbox on it, and my slicks and some fuel cans. Anyway I had a much needed welder on one of the stops. We end up getting to our lodging about 1.5hrs from gateway at 3am LOL. Tuesday I get to gateway and try to run it out a little farther, bogged the launch and still hit a 11.0@123. I hear a rumor they will let you go better than 135, as long as it's a 10.0 or slower, so I make another pass, and try and run it out. I end up having a massive engine failure, and windowed a block. The engine only had about 10 passes on it, looks like a mechanical failure, but still not sure. Wasn't the tune for sure, it was pretty soft on timing, plenty of fuel, no knock and no signs of damage to the felpro composite head gasket. Anyway it ran a 10.76@126 on what looked to be a 10.50@140 pass.

Anyway I figure I'm done, and send for a trailer. Couldn't get a ride to my house which was on the route from gateway to Byron. Through lots of f***ery, I get everything home at about 1am, I'm beat, and goto bed. 9am Wednesday I get up and get to work, motor was out and all apart by 4pm, I get cleaned up and take the woman out for dinner. Meanwhile my little bro is on the way to help put my old motor back together. So we thrash, about 4am I have a shortblock assembled and ready to go. Take a nap till 10am, and back to thrashing. midnight it's in an running. I take a quick drive to check it over, make a quick 3rd gear pull to check that it's kinda right, and load it on the trailer. There was a stick shift shootout Friday night of drag week, so I really wanted to get in that. First round I get paired with a newer Camero with a genv lt4 in it. Supercharged thing, I expected it to be bad ass. I chopped the tree down and never looked back. Car ran a 10.75@137. Next round I'm paired with a coyote swapped Capri with a t56, and this thing is baaaad to the bone. running 9.2@150 all night. I tried, and the car just quit - shot ducks as soon as it was in boost. Low battery voltage, in my fatigue I left the nut on the alternator loose. I was bummed, but it was good to go a round, and damn near a pb, on a used up junk short block.

Saturday I fix it, and drag my feet about the trek to IFO in STL. Not sure I even want to go I head anyway, with the possibility of rain. I miss q1, and just make a time run. This time I decide I'm really gonna bang gears. I nail every shift, and end up with a 1.591 60', 6.38@114-1/8, and 9.80@144 - 1/4. I was soo pumped I couldn't hardley breath. I've been stuck at 10.70's for like 3 years, and to get such a large new pb on a junk ass motor with my old setup that I though was tapped out. Such a great feeling. I ended up qualifying #3 behind a pair of very fast evo's. It was really quick field today. First round of eliminations I missed 3rd gear and broke a shift rail. Going to try and get it fixed for Street Car Takeover next weekend.

Quick rundown of the setup.
-5 season old .020 over 2L JE 8.5:1, Turbo Tuff rods, stock crank, used acl bearings out of my
blown-up motor, old old standard ARP head studs, $38 felpro composite gasket.
-Holset HE351 non vgt, on a godspeed t3 manifold, using the holset internal wastegate.
- New JMF Race intake, dual rails, 1200's and 750's, 2x stock n/t FPR, all stock fuel lines/filter,
- 2x walbro 255 externals
- Large garret core fmic I built.
- Hacked 1g eprom, custom code I wrote, moates ostrich
- home built trans with a home built 4 spider center diff, liberty faceplated gears
- Stock axles tcase and driveshaft
- Big giant ass outlander heavy brakes
- home build coilovers, custom valving, ect...
- ACT2900/4puck/streetlite
- 26x9.5x16 qtp
- E85
- NGK Plugs, Taylor wires, stock coils.

I do not use launch control, I leave by ear off a free rev. Car was on about 37-38psi, and weighs about 3300lbs. This is probably the fastest pass ever recorded on a HE351, and not far from the quickest/fastest HX40's.

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Fantastic Kurt. That's a hell of a PB man!
 
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The liberty parts are nice. Takes a long time though, just for parts. A whole trans they might have for a decade LOL. I wouldn't do the faceplates unless you are chasing that last tenth. I street drive mine no problem, but it's harsh and makes you look like an idiot sometimes.
 
That's awesome man. Congrats!

Thanks Scott! Im hoping I can find a couple more tenths they by Joliet, but I think this things about tapped out.

I definitely found the driver mod on that pass, I was comparing my slip to on of your 9.60s and this thing was on fire LOL.

I still can't believe it I thought I'd be stuck in 10s purgatory forever.
 
Thanks Scott! Im hoping I can find a couple more tenths they by Joliet, but I think this things about tapped out.

I definitely found the driver mod on that pass, I was comparing my slip to on of your 9.60s and this thing was on fire LOL.

I still can't believe it I thought I'd be stuck in 10s purgatory forever.

She's moving out for sure man. I felt the same way when I was stuck at 10.0 in my Evo... I had over 75 timeslips from 10.0-10.3

Found this of your car btw. Your inbox is full here so I'm posting here.

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Thanks guys, waiting for my 3rd gear to be repaired and heading back for some more 9's I hope. I missed a gear in eliminations, and broke a shift rail, and a dog ring. It's back at liberty and they promised me it would be back for this weekend. I'm planning on going to IFO in Joliet even if I have to put a synchro 3/4 back in.

I'm kinda uncertain where to go from here. I never expected the car had a 9 in it on the current setup. Going faster is easy, just bolt the other turbo setup on it, but then I need a lot more saftey gear. Which is $$$, and I'm a broke ass college kid. But, I kind of wonder if my VGT setup and some weight reduction would put it in the 8's. I never dreamed I'd even be considering it LOL.

My little brother just picked up a 83 fairmont we are going to build, so I'll be busy with that now too. Looking at a teskid block dohc 4.6, single turbo, liberty or Gforce clutch assisted 5 speed, a mcleod softlock, and hopefully some 7's out of it.
 
So slight update. First pass at joilet IFO 4th gear let go, so I'm thinking the face-plates are just to harsh for a heavy car at this power. 1/2 seems to hold up, but 3/4 don't last at all. At least on the my pass at joilet it was on track to back up my 9.80 pass, so I'm pumped it wasn't a fluke.

Since then I've been working on carbon clutches. I actually bought one from 94AWD this spring, but haven't tried it yet. It is a pot style, and unless I was willing to run it on a modified cast iron n/t flywheel I would need to have a custom flywheel made by Aasco - $750. Fast forward to about a month ago, I find another tilton on ebay that looks to be in great shape, and might be a step style. I message them, they confirm it's a step and the discs are very thick still, like .020 total wear. I end up getting it for $500! Not bad for a $5000 clutch. It came with some sbc circle track stuff I should get $50-100 out of. Anyway it shows up and it's a pot style too. crap. So I bite the bullet and have my quarter master flywheel machined down to be flat, and drill the 6 extra holes in it, so I can try out a carbon clutch. I didn't think much about it, but a whole QM assembly is 16lbs. The flywheel with the tilton is like 12. Big difference.

Anyway I put a synchro trans back together, and wow does it drive nice compared to a QM. The shifts? OMG! 9500 like the trans isn't even connected to the shifter.

Now the bad part, I couldn't get it to launch to save my life. It was super easy on the old ACT. Hold it around 6500, and go wot as you were slowly dumping the clutch. This thing was terrible. Anything I tried resulted in blowing off the front slicks. And then after about 10 hits, it quit shifting into 3/4. So I yank it all apart, synchro stops were destroyed. Victims of the light flywheel.

So after some thinking, measuring, and 94AWD demanding that I use a heavy flywheel, I find my old act setup weighed about 22lbs, and a n/t flywheel is about 20lbs. So, I call AASCO, and they can build me a 20lb flyhweel. I do some more thinking and decide to load up my truck and head to my parents. After a few hours on the CNC, I have a modified stock n/t flywheel that will work with a tilton.

This thing is amazing. Street manners are just like a stock car. It's a little touchier but not even as bad as a ACT puck clutch. Still shifts great, and it's survived a ton of hits and street driving with no synchro damage. The car launches easy as hell now and dead hooks from a 5500rpm 2 step with about 3psi, and a quick slip.

So far the wear has been great, my first session with it was abusive enough it would have destroyed an ACT 2900 street disc combo, i couldn't measure any wear to the carbons.

So I'm hoping to get a little more street time on this, and then pull it apart to check clutch wear and trans condition, but it looks like so far even a new tilton is worth every penny. Especially when a qm is getting to be close to $2k, and they turn your car in to an absolute pile of shit.

I drove it to school today, 60mi, half stop and go, half open road. Just awesome. No chatter like a puck disc, no squels like a qm, no floater rattle at idle, much better coast down noise than a qm. I think if I put a new tcase coupler and output shaft in, it would be silent.
 
Congrats on your success’s and perseverance.


What is your turbo flowing to net the 9.80 @ 144?
 
Very nice! Really like the trap speed considering 3300lbs weight.
 
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