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Best cams for EVO 16G or TD05H 20G

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Bleakley

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Title pretty much says it all. What cams do you guys recommend?
Normally I wouldn't even post this. I googled and searched though, not too much found for current day options...

The HKS cams no longer exist (basically), which is what i probably would have went with. I see DELTA as an option, but I've always viewed regrind as nono...
Kelfords seem like the best option, currently. But I see mixed reviews. Early to mid 2000's people were talking mad crap on their quality. Now it seems like they got it together... I know the Nissan guys use their big cams a lot for BIG power...

I'm looking for a powerful midrange, mostly. Car is mostly street driven. I'm in the middle of upgrading the car for the EVO III 16G and wanted some opinions as I wasn't finding the information I wanted / needed via searching. Want something VERY WELL mannered for the street. Not looking for a camshaft with a high powerband. But I def would want to open up the top end a little more and def need something for more hp than the stockers...

I guess worth noting... Planned work for the build..
Extrude hone stock 2g intake manifold
2G (52mm) to 1G (60mm) throttle body upgrade
Small port & polish on the head (intake & exhaust)
Adjustable cam gears
Supertech +0.5mm intake valves
Supertech +0.5mm exhaust valves
new valve guides
new valve seals

Planned target of 375whp+. Would really like over 400, but sounds like that's quite the chore on TD05H 20G..
 
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@Tigerinstincts - I am well aware of cam timing and degreeing. Also aware of clearance verification..

@GoCanes777 - Nahh, you didn't miss it. I forgot to post it. My bad.
Small 16G and EVO III 16G compressor maps are so close/similar to each other. EVO III compressor map, by my interpretation(s), was just a little bit better. But let it be known that's not the only thing that makes it a better turbo...
 
I don't know if this helps but I emailed Curt Brown about his 500hp, low 10 second 16g car. He stated he used FP2 cams but "GSC 2 cams would be better". He also recommends a 2g head/evo intake manifold combo.

This is the head/intake manifold combo I run, such a great combination!
 
@Vegas smith - It's relative to the topic. It's good info. Though, that's clearly a powerband far to the right because drag car...
I see a guy selling EVO manifolds and I'm SO tempted to buy one...
 
I don't know if this helps but I emailed Curt Brown about his 500hp, low 10 second 16g car. He stated he used FP2 cams but "GSC 2 cams would be better". He also recommends a 2g head/evo intake manifold combo.

The problem with that recommendation is his car was an all out drag car. That extra top end was most likely all he cared about. With that said. FP2/gsc s1/k264 are your best bets as they are all similar in sizing and would be great for a broader power band.

Too many noobs are forgetting that gsc s2 and kelford 274 are pretty huge cams for such a small turbo. By comparison they are larger than the fp3/comp 101-300's.
 
Shots fired.

But a lot of what you're saying is accurate.

I'm just trying to get as many recommendations compiled to aid in making my decision.
I almost feel like the title is a little inaccurate. I asked 'best cams for evo 16g / td05h 20g' when I prob should have asked something along the lines of best cam for midrange for those turbos.. Something like that.
Just seems obvious - a lot of people (personal research I've done as well) are suggesting the HKS 272's and their equivalents for the TD05H 20G... And rightfully so / I can see why..
I just think my personal preference / setup is geared a little to the left of that. That's all.

EDIT: The original topic for discussion still stands though.
CURRENT DAY options you guys would recommend for a TD05H 20G that would support VERY NICE street manners and a powerful, nice midrange. Something that doesn't give up a lot of bottom end AND doesn't run out of TOO much steam up top.
 
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The problem with that recommendation is his car was an all out drag car. That extra top end was most likely all he cared about. With that said. FP2/gsc s1/k264 are your best bets as they are all similar in sizing and would be great for a broader power band.

Too many noobs are forgetting that gsc s2 and kelford 274 are pretty huge cams for such a small turbo. By comparison they are larger than the fp3/comp 101-300's.
I figured I would mention it and he could take from it what he will. On another note, I was talking with Joe Bucci (16g world record holder) about his new hta68 setup (similar to 20g) and he recommended the GSC s1 cams as an great all-around cam.
 
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If you're looking for something smaller than a 272 but aren't sure if a 264 will be enough then get a set of billet GSC S1 grinds, it's a 268 profile. Also, if you're sticking with the stock manifold send it off to Mr. Brown for the best port job in the business and the pricing is very reasonable considering who's doing the port work. http://www.curtbrownracing.com/manifold-porting.html

...if you're looking for a professional opinion (not saying you're not getting one here but...) you could also inquire him if you send your IM off for port work, I'm sure he'd direct you to the best cams considering your mods.
 
@gofer - I think ~264 is what I'm gonna go with.
Thanks for the recommendation, I'll keep the GSC-S1 cams in mind (similar durations to Comp's 101400 (266/266) grind and similar still to Kelford's 264/260) - I just think they're a little tall for what I'm looking for. I'll probably end up going with something a little smaller. Also, the curtbrown bit - NOTED! Thanks!

Cams I'm currently deciding between are:
Comp Cams #101100 (251/250)
Comp Cams #101200 (259/258)
Kelford #1-TX258 (258/264)
Kelford #1-TX264 (264/260)

@idkiliketurbos - noted.
 
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This is for future readers.. This could save people time as it took a little while to find all the specs. Specs are pulled directly from the manufacturers' websites, their cam cards, or extreme psi... I organized it shortest to longest duration (based on the set standard measurements of 1mm and .050")

It goes brand, part #, advertised duration.
Then beneath is the standardized durations - @ 1.0mm (which is .03937") or @ .050"

--Comp Cams #101100 - 251/250 --> "Similar to HKS 264 with a little more lobe on it."
(204/204 @ .050")
--WEB-CAM #36-002 - 272/256
(206/206 @ .050")
--Brian Crower #BC0101 - 268/272
(208/212 @ .050")
--Kelford #1-TX258 - 258/264
(208/220 @ ~.0394")
--Comp Cams #101200 - 259/258 --> "Similar to HKS 272 with more emphasis on top end power."
(212/212 @ .050")
--WEB-CAM #36-012 - 264/274
(214/212 @ .050")
--Kelford #1-TX264 - 264/260
(216/216 @ ~.0394")

--Kelford #1-TX268 - 264/268
and/or
--GSC #7003S1 - 268/268
(216/220 @ ~.0394")
--Comp Cams #101400 - 266/266
(220/220 @ .050")
--Brian Crower #BC0104 - 276/276
(220/220 @ .050")

Large grouping is what you would consider "264's", "268's" and "272's" and their variants / each manufacturers twist on em.
The smaller grouping is cams some of you may consider for more top end.

I didn't bother researching/listing any bigger camshafts because that would favor a powerband I would consider useless for what I am going for...

I feel it is also worth noting that while advertised and standardized durations are what we normally look at when selecting a camshaft, it is not the only thing that makes up a camshaft and the effect it's gonna have / the performance you're going to see.
Lifts (and not just max lifts), separation angles, center lines, etc. Also factor in. This really goes above and beyond the scope of the thread (and my own actual understanding of all that sh**...), but I just feel that that information should be out there... Just saying. :)
 
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Here is the Kelford TX264-1 Spec card. It is what I run although I am not on a 16g, I do like the cams!

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@1990TSIAWDTALON - It's already up there.. Post #39. Def seems like a potent camshaft for sure!

The majority of people have been recommending I go with 264's or a variant of 264 for my setup.
That combined with my own research (which supports what they've all been suggesting) has helped me make my decision.

I've pretty much decided that I am probably going to to with Comp Cams' #101100 cams, but am also considering WEB-CAM's #36-002 cams.
 
HP goal with the Big 16g?
Any plans for more hp later? (Overall hp goal)
How is the care to be driven? / Where are you looking for the power? Midrange, higher RPM's?

I've always viewed the valvetrain as a unit. Using new cams with old gear - I view as taboo and not cool. While you're in there I would upgrade whatever you can.
I usually am thorough with whatever I upgrade so I don't have to to back and repeat.
 
HP goal with the Big 16g?
Any plans for more hp later? (Overall hp goal)
How is the care to be driven? / Where are you looking for the power? Midrange, higher RPM's?

I've always viewed the valvetrain as a unit. Using new cams with old gear - I view as taboo and not cool. While you're in there I would upgrade whatever you can.
I usually am thorough with whatever I upgrade so I don't have to to back and repeat.


Mid-range I don't plan on getting bigger turbo now, my engine internals are all stock and I drive the hell out my car so..... .. I do wanna start by building the head before I move on into upgrading the bottom end if need be. Alls I want is a fast street car LOL like anyone else
 
Comp 100's will give you a nice midrange.
I see your manual - if you want something that has a little more up top, with relatively same midrange, go with the 200's. Pretty potent cam right there.
People seem to like those Brian Crower ones I posted up there though.

Either of those three should set you straight and make you pretty happy.
 
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