MidShipCivic said:

From the black wire I read only millivolts

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^^^ I'm having this problem as well.

MidShipCivic said:

the starter relay works and the clutch shows continuity

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How did you test for these?



I was also told by a friend with a FSM, that there are two relays and one clutch switch also in the circuit of that little black wire. I'm just no longer 'electrical' smart enough to know what to do to test the various things to determine the problem in the system.

It seems we may be experiencing the same problem, so possibly the same culprit.

Anyone?

MidShipCivic said:

The clutch shows continuity so what else can there be?

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If you read the wiring diagram you see that the Clutch Safety Switch needs to open when the clutch is pushed in or the car won't start. The starter relay is normally closed. If the CSS has continuity then the relay will activate and cut off the voltage from the ignition switch from reaching the starter solenoid.

If you unplug the CSS does the starter work?

Does the starting system use the front or rear clutch plunger switch? -I'm guessing the rear one, and it would suck to replace.

Steve - I don't have a copy of the FSM with me right now. Just a Chiltons. Question- Is there a starter relay behind the radio? My Chiltons shows two relays in-line; one for the OE security system, and another for the starter itself. When I try to start my car, I have two relays near the interior fuse box that click. Assuming those are the only two relays in the system, I don't know why everyone is saying one is behind the radio. Does the fact that they are clicking indicate that they are fine and working properly?

Also, is there a way to bypass the clutch switch to see if mine has failed? I'd like to be sure mine is bad before I attempt to remove it.

Paul, for the 99 or the 91?

steve said:

Paul, for the 99 or the 91?

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Sorry, this is for my 2G.

I don't think I'll have a chance to look at this before I leave in the morning for Boston.
If it's still an issue Monday I'll see if I can get you an answer.

Disabling the clutch safety switch: http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/articles-drivetrain/192617-how-disable-clutch-start-switch.html.

The starter relay is the rightmost one of the two behind the radio. If you don't care about the clutch position switch and the theft alarm disabling the starter, then you can remove the starter relay and permanently jumper the black/red to the black/yellow.

The theft alarm starter relay is the large bottom right one here: http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=107898&d=1269647021. (I have my power window relay jumpered out above it)

luv2rallye said:

The starter relay is the rightmost one of the two behind the radio. If you don't care about the clutch position switch and the theft alarm disabling the starter, then you can remove the starter relay and permanently jumper the black/red to the black/yellow.

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I'm confused. The rightmost relay doesn't have those color wires leading to it.

Is this for your 99?
Ok in your picture someone swapped their positions. The starter relay is the one on the left. The one on right is door lock power relay 1.

Yeah, it's for my '99. Thanks a bunch for the help thus far.

I'm going to use a jumper tonight and see if bypassing the relay works. There appears to be two black/red wires on it though. Which one should I use?

Also, if this doesn't work, and my clutch switches are fine, what should I check next?

Both black/red's are connected together in the harness so you can use either.

If it doesn't work check to make sure you have +12V on the black/red's when key is in start position. If not, check ignition switch. If you do, and you know starter works, check continuity of the black/yellow from starter relay to starter solenoid (on starter). It's probably open in which case you can just string a new wire.

I am bumping this to see if either members figured this problem out. I am also going to send PMs to the people that were sharing this issue in hopes to find a solution to my problem.

SharonTampons said:

I am bumping this to see if either members figured this problem out. I am also going to send PMs to the people that were sharing this issue in hopes to find a solution to my problem.

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Soooo do you have the same problem?

I'm having a similar or the same problem.


I couldn't get the car to turnover, so I checked the plug that was coming off of that line. Nothing! I've located the relay behind the radio and I'm about to test it.

If that test with no voltage, how do I test the ignition switch?

okay so i tested the red/black wire it is getting 12v when turn key. I then proceeded to test yellow/black wire with volt meter and it is getting no reading at all, I am stumped please help.

I had the same issue before on my 2g and when I bypassed the relay it would work. With further searching I realized that the clutch saftey switch was missing the lil rubber gourment to ground the system. I never bypassed that switch. I just put a small bolt and nut in the whole so it would make contact when the pedal was pushed in.

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okay so i tested the red/black wire it is getting 12v when turn key. I then proceeded to test yellow/black wire with volt meter and it is getting no reading at all, I am stumped please help.

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If you don't need the alarm and clutch position switch disabling the starter, just pull the relay and jumper the black-red to the black-yellow.

Bumping this again.

I'm having the same issue with my starter wire. Only 7 volts from the key, starter relay in the console, and the anti-theft relay under the dash.

Where on a 2g auto does this circuit get power and ground?

Thanks for this info, had to diagnose a no start on a 2g this past weekend. For some reason the B57 connector was spliced with a male and female spade. The starter would not engaged with green wire connected. Seems to work fine with it unplugged, if it gives the guy any more issues ill have to bypass it for him. Thanks for the knowledge

I had a no start problem, and while diagnosing it, I found the same issue. No voltage at the starter solenoid when the key was turned. My issue turned out to be a bad fuel pump relay, and after jumping that, the car fired right up. I don't have the FSM in front of me, but iirc, doesn't the power through the fuel pump relay supply power to the ECU as well, which in turn sends the signal to the starter? Or am I getting circuits crossed?

No. For all 1g and 2g turbo, ECU is powered by MFI relay. ECU turns on FP relay when it see's CAS pulses.